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Genos (12 Boards) => Genos - General => Topic started by: Tankdave on February 25, 2018, 05:11:31 AM
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I'm getting a bit fed up with mine.
I've had some pedal issues and had great help here on the forum, it would seem what I need to do is modify all the registrations in my Genos.
I was made aware of the YRM and I've spent a lot of time today using it, but it's hard work and the "batch" facility just throws up an error message.
On top of this my assignable buttons stiil keep loosing thier settings and now the v1.20 Keyboard-volume keeps dissapearing too from slider-9
I am getting a bit annoyed with constantly having to enter all these settings back in to the Genos via the menu, because no matter what I tick, save, change, these things at some point keep changing on me and when they do the only way to get them back is to change them in the menu.
I'm sure having a "please step away from the keyboard sir" day.
I realy don't know if I still need a "light-bulb" moment or my Genos is faulty?
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Tankdave, I feel your pain even though I'm a Canadian, and we're not allowed to have the Genos for a long while yet. We don't count as a "strong market." I make my living using Microsoft products and it's one battle after another, so I know all too well the crap you're putting up with. The difference is, Yamaha will deal with all bugs. It will take time though. Microsoft doesn't fix anything unless it makes them money. Therein lies the difference.
My suggestion is to tackle one Genos issue at a time. Start a separate topic for each issue. And please, don't use some frivolous subject line like, "Problem with my Genos." No one benefits when they are trying to scan through the various topics only to read poorly described issues. Be specific as to what you're trying to do and what you've tried so far. There are several people who have had the Genos for a while and can likely walk you through the new operating system. And yes, there are some bugs, but essentially from what I've read, the Genos is quite functional out of the factory. Talk to us :).
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The other thing to remember is that not all the problems are specific to Genos. The pedal issue, for example, would apply to all Tyroses and PSRs.
Fred
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The pedal issue, for example, would apply to all Tyroses and PSRs.
Hi Fred,
The 'Parameter Chart' in the 'Genos Data List' seems to show that (unlike any previous Yamaha arranger), the assigned Foot Pedal 'Function', 'Details' and even 'Polarity' are saved in the System Setup.
I assumed that this meant that the user assigned pedal settings are remembered when the power is turned off, and restored when the power is turned back on, removing the need to save them in a 'Start Up' registration.
Are you saying that this is not the case?
Regards
Ian
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Fred is correct, the pedal polarity and a few other features revert to default settings when the keyboard is powered down. That's why we all made a setup registration, which contains all this information for when you first power up.
Gary 8)
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So the Genos Data List is wrong then?
Regards
Ian
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Hi Fred,
The 'Parameter Chart' in the 'Genos Data List' seems to show that (unlike any previous Yamaha arranger), the assigned Foot Pedal 'Function', 'Details' and even 'Polarity' are saved in the System Setup.
I assumed that this meant that the user assigned pedal settings are remembered when the power is turned off, and restored when the power is turned back on, removing the need to save them in a 'Start Up' registration.
Are you saying that this is not the case?
Ian,
The data list is correct. One of the great things about Genos is that it will remember pedal assignments through a power off (as it remembers all assignments). This is an improvement from Tyros, and something many people have asked for.
But, as with the Tyros, registrations can change pedal assignments. This is Dave's problem: he has registrations which set the pedals differently from what he wants. So he has to re-memorize them, or use Murray's program to fix them all in a batch.
But this issue is not unique to Genos. All Tyros registrations can set pedal assignments. So even if he stuck with his old keyboard, he'd still have to do the same re-memorizing.
To me, the best thing to do is re-memorize omitting the pedal assignment from the registrations. Then any future pedal assignment changes will stick. But it's up to Dave how he wants to solve his problem.
Fred
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Hi Fred,
Thanks for confirming that. At last Yamaha have addressed what was an annoying aspect of their keyboards.
As you say, pedal settings can also still be memorised in registrations, something which will no doubt be the cause of confusion in some cases in future, especially if registrations have been imported/converted from earlier keyboards!
I tend to use different pedal settings for different songs, or even for different parts of the same song, so I would probably still continue to use registrations to do this on Genos (if I ever decide to get one!), which of course means that the pedal assignments on power up would be whatever they were set to by the last registration used in the previous session. At least on my Tyros4 I always know what they will be on power up (some people are never satisfied ;) )! For anyone that uses different combinations of pedal settings like this, a 'Start Up' registration might still be the way to ensure a consistent setup when the power is turned on!
BTW Murray Best's 'Yamaha Registration Manager' can remove the pedal group settings from multiple existing registration banks in batch mode if anyone really wants to do this 'en masse'.
Regards
Ian
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Tankdave also has similar problems with his button assignments and sliders according to his opening post so he will need to "unsave" those from his registrations too. Yamaha did no favours for the unwary when they issued Genos with all registration categories ticked by default.
John
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I'm getting a bit fed up with mine.
.....my assignable buttons still keep loosing their settings and now the v1.20 Keyboard-volume keeps dissappearing too from slider-9
I am getting a bit annoyed with constantly having to enter all these settings back in to the Genos via the menu, becawhat I tick, save, change, these things at some point keep changing on meuse no matter and when they do the only way to get them back is to change them in the menu.
I realy don't know if I still need a "light-bulb" moment or my Genos is faulty?
Same here. The Yamaha importers keyboard sales manager will come to my house with a Genos so we can check whether I happen to have a Monday-Genos or whether these keyboards are all made only Mondays. I will soon know and post the result, what was a specimen problems and what is not. As with all technical products problems are bound to pop up. (I am a manufacturer of military drones so I know) Just think Toyota, the World's biggest car maker, had to call back 10 Million cars which is the equivalent of a queue spanning the equator!!! And bear in mind, Tyros 5 had 5 updates and on mine they had to exchange the innards to make it run properly which YAMAHA did free of charge, which shows they do care. Like Eileen says: we must be patient.
Cheers
Kaarlo (from sunny snowy Finland minus 28 C)
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Thanks for listening and the help, I'm very interested in Kaarlo's Yamaha visit.
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Thanks for listening and the help, I'm very interested in Kaarlo's Yamaha visit.
Me too... Hope not freezing up on the way ( -28° C) :D
Regards,
Vali
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Ian,
The data list is correct. One of the great things about Genos is that it will remember pedal assignments through a power off (as it remembers all assignments). This is an improvement from Tyros, and something many people have asked for.
But, as with the Tyros, registrations can change pedal assignments. This is Dave's problem: he has registrations which set the pedals differently from what he wants. So he has to re-memorize them, or use Murray's program to fix them all in a batch.
But this issue is not unique to Genos. All Tyros registrations can set pedal assignments. So even if he stuck with his old keyboard, he'd still have to do the same re-memorizing.
To me, the best thing to do is re-memorize omitting the pedal assignment from the registrations. Then any future pedal assignment changes will stick. But it's up to Dave how he wants to solve his problem.
Fred
I think I do need to re-memorise all the regsitrations, the YRM is not "playing-ball" though. I can sucessfully remove the pedal assignments from the registrations one bank at a time but the "batch" option gives me an error stating to retry after deleting the reg it dont like or contact Mr Murry.
I may do the latter because if I remove the reg it dont like, it then just does the same thing with the next one, yet the regs can be changed ok on a "one-bank" basis ok.
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I think I do need to re-memorise all the regsitrations, the YRM is not "playing-ball" though. I can sucessfully remove the pedal assignments from the registrations one bank at a time but the "batch" option gives me an error stating to retry after deleting the reg it dont like or contact Mr Murry.
I may do the latter because if I remove the reg it dont like, it then just does the same thing with the next one, yet the regs can be changed ok on a "one-bank" basis ok.
Send some reg banks to Murray to do a debug test on your registration banks...
Regards,
Vali
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I think I do need to re-memorise all the regsitrations, the YRM is not "playing-ball" though. I can sucessfully remove the pedal assignments from the registrations one bank at a time but the "batch" option gives me an error stating to retry after deleting the reg it dont like or contact Mr Murry.
I may do the latter because if I remove the reg it dont like, it then just does the same thing with the next one, yet the regs can be changed ok on a "one-bank" basis.
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I decided to go & re-visit this issue and I have managed to make a "blank" registration with the pedals set the way I want them using the YRM.
Good news is that when the pedals get messed up by the infamous "rogue" reg, I can now get my pedals back to my way of operation by loading up my new default reg, so no having to reset pedals in the menu.
This is a bit of real progress for me, but I can I ask why the YRM sticks a ".S917" on the end of the registration file name?
Thanks again for all the help, I'm getting there bit by bit
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why the YRM sticks a ".S917" on the end of the registration file name?
Your question has already been answered in a different post titled "Sxxx from files names" on this forum. See link below.
http://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,41398.msg325296.html#msg325296
thanks
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Hello friends!
The pedal settings (sustain, sustain, VH, Effects, etc.) change. The polarity ( /-) does not change.
At least on my PSR s970 and all that I used (PSRs 3000, s910, s950) the polarity never changed when turning off the device.
Enildo
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I spoke too soon, a Reg from the "Discover Genos" folder changed my pedals today.
Ok I hear you say, I then loaded my default reg with "my" pedal settings and it DOES NOT change them back.
Power cycle done and they still stuck the same way that the "Discover Genos" set them.
Looks like the only way to change them is in the Menu settings.
I reckon this is a Software bug?
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I spoke too soon, a Reg from the "Discover Genos" folder changed my pedals today.
Ok I hear you say, I then loaded my default reg with "my" pedal settings and it DOES NOT change them back.
Power cycle done and they still stuck the same way that the "Discover Genos" set them.
Looks like the only way to change them is in the Menu settings.
I reckon this is a Software bug?
You should post your "default reg" so we can take a look at it. If it’s not working, it’s more likely the problem than s "software bug".
Fred
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Thanks Fred, I'll take a gander at pulling them off
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By the way, the Discover Genos registrations that I downloaded do not have any pedal assignments.
I think it's something else you're doing. Do you have Freeze on?
Fred
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I think I may have modified the default one, changed a voice, saved it and the "pedal" option was not ticked under the memory button so when I go back to it the pedals dont.
So may little ticks & stuff to mess you up or what?
I still have to get in touch with the YRM guy because that batch button not working still, as I do need to get all the registration booby-traps sorted.
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I think I may have modified the default one, changed a voice, saved it and the "pedal" option was not ticked under the memory button so when I go back to it the pedals dont.
So may little ticks & stuff to mess you up or what?
I still have to get in touch with the YRM guy because that batch button not working still, as I do need to get all the registration booby-traps sorted.
Whenever you want your problem solved, just let us know.
Fred
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I think I do need to re-memorise all the regsitrations, the YRM is not "playing-ball" though. I can sucessfully remove the pedal assignments from the registrations one bank at a time but the "batch" option gives me an error stating to retry after deleting the reg it dont like or contact Mr Murry.
Hi Dave
The batch process is working OK for me. You will find it easier if the folder only contains registrations NO Styles etc.
1 Load the YRM but do not load any Registration.
2 Select - Dup / Remove Bank Set
3 Put a tick in the Remove Setting Box and OK
4 Put a tick in the ALL Buttons box and OK
5 Put a tick in the "Foot Pedal" and the Assignable buttons (if you want then OK
6 Put a tick in the Copy Assignable Buttons box
7 Click the batch Convert button
Then you only need to select the source folder and destination folder for the Registrations.
Bill
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Murray got back to me and it seems that very very occasionally Windows can somehow stop the "batch" change working. Murray changed my Regs for me & emailed them back.
I then installed the YRM on my desktop PC upstairs, did exactly what I was doing on my laptop and this time it removed the assignments from the 92 Reg banks in the folder I was pointing at.
Good to know I'm not going mad and great service from Murray and "all hail" to his YRM program and this forum.
Thanks so much to all that helped.
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I have now altered all the Registrations I have on my USB stick under the Genos, I was able to Batch modify, Pedals, Buttons & split points, all done with the help of Murray and his YRM.
So that now leaves all the Registrations I have sitting in the "Expansion" area of my Genos.
These do not have the ability to be "file" copied to a USB stick, and hence modified on the computer and returned to the Genos all corrected.
I fully understand that I can overcome my pedal, buttons & splits in some other box-ticking way, but I'm fussy and like to have my house in order.
This one sure looks like I'm going to be dissappointed though?
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You can save your Expansion registrations to your user section quite easy. Just select the pack and registrations from it. Now press File and select user then press save here. You can then alter them. You can not how ever save them back to expansion. I make a folder called Expansions registrations on my user and save into this. They work fine from here as long as you keep the voice packs loaded in your expansion.
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You can save your Expansion registrations to your user section quite easy. Just select the pack and registrations from it. Now press File and select user then press save here. You can then alter them. You can not how ever save them back to expansion. I make a folder called Expansions registrations on my user and save into this. They work fine from here as long as you keep the voice packs loaded in your expansion.
They can be loaded back ;D but is an advanced job to do there with YEM :D
Regards,
Vali
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You can save your Expansion registrations to your user section quite easy. Just select the pack and registrations from it. Now press File and select user then press save here. You can then alter them. You can not how ever save them back to expansion. I make a folder called Expansions registrations on my user and save into this. They work fine from here as long as you keep the voice packs loaded in your expansion.
Hi Eileen
When I'm in the Expansion section the "file" options are greyed-out except "Save" and all that does is save the current reg.
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Hi Dave
It is very easy when you use the right tools for the Job.
If you have an IPAD use the App "MusicSoft Manager"
If you have a windows PC Use the Yamaha Program "MusicSoft Downloader".
You can copy ALL the Registrations is one go AND you can put them back on the Expansion or in the USER area wherever you choose.
If you use the PC program you only need to connect the keyboard and PC together by a printer cable and you do NOT need to enter storage Mode.
Regards
Bill
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Thanks, looks like I have some more learning to do
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Hi
Are you selecting the registration from the expansion pack and loading it. This way works fine for me with no problem.
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I belieive I am, and that is where the buttons are greyed-out, I'll take a picture when I get a chance.
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Hi Eileen
When I'm in the Expansion section the "file" options are greyed-out except "Save" and all that does is save the current reg.
Dave, what you describe is correct. But before touching Save, touch a registration that is in the Expansion folder to make "it" current first. Then after touching save you will be able navigate to a user folder, touch "Save here" and save that registration outside the Expansion folder.
John
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Been trying the "MusicSoft Download" program tonight and it is rather handy.
I was able to access Expansion area Registrations, make copies of them, modify them in YRM, save the modded version as a seperate file and then replace the expansion registration in the Genos with my modded one.
This way I get to keep an original version and the modded one on my PC as backups and I have complete flexability as to where I keep them in the Genos.
You can even move them from USB to USB and BTW the Expansion registrations seem to work OK even off USB.
Thanks for the info about the this, it is great tool for the Genos housekeeping and fixing up of problems.
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Same here. The Yamaha importers keyboard sales manager will come to my house with a Genos so we can check whether I happen to have a Monday-Genos or whether these keyboards are all made only Mondays.
Kaarlo (from sunny snowy Finland minus 28 C)
Having had the second Genos keyboards here now for several days this is what became evident: My Genos did have some problems all of its own, e.g. they were not present on the second Genos. But most of what we believe is a bug is not. The reason is: GENOS is different in its fundamental concept, which makes it possible to do things you could not do on Tyros. But we tend to do things like we did them before and that in many cases will not work, e.g. things you expect to go into non volatile memory is not stored. Tyros had a lot of "global" settings that would remain in memory and be available whatever you did. On Genos you have to save even the things you always want in the registry banks. The manual does also need some updates. It does for instance explain how to set markers into a song but not how to remove them and as a fact on both examples I have so far not found out how to do it. Maybe someone here has found out. In case not I am confident that will be ok after the next update.
Cheers Kaarlo
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Tyros had a lot of "global" settings that would remain in memory and be available whatever you did. On Genos you have to save even the things you always want in the registry banks.
This not correct. In fact, Genos will remember more settings than a Tyros will (like pedal assignments).
Fred
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Kaarlo, what was fixed by your 2nd Genos, I would be interested to know?
If I have missed another thread about this I apologise but I am genuinely interested as mine still does my head in, much less now as I get to learn so much.
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Hi,
Sorry, I did see your question just now - at 83 it's difficult to keep your act togther. To-day my wife discovered I after putting away the cash she fetched at the bank in the safe I forgot to close its door :( not lock...close !
And now I cannot remember what problem was solved by the second Genos. BUT, very important, the setting of the PARAMETER LOCK is critical for saving REG BANKS. Most items should not be locked and if you do not lock anything you will not have the problems I had, e.g. always finding things you memorized not being memorized. As a fact I did not understand the importance of having a completely empty reg bank - and would not have been able to make one - but after I started using the one you can download here and beginning by filling in my settings before doing anything else (You make the first button the way you want sliders and all the rest) and then copy the first button to all the others - make sure you limit the memory function to reflect what you want to go to all buttons - and only after that start putting in all the rest you want to save under each button which is different I have not had problems with the memory Making a perfect reg bank was a lot of work in the Tyros, the same is true for Genos. I takes me about one hour because I memorize the slider settings individually, not like they are set in the Styles as you have them. But it seems Genos II now functions as conceived by the designers and I am of course waiting for further updates.
Cheers
Kaarlo
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Creating Registrations on Genos is the same as we did on Tyros. Make sure you have ticks in the memory of what you want saved with your voices. If you have altered the volumes of the style and want to add certain Multi pads you can use the freeze button to hold these while you save to all ten buttons.
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I downloaded Murray's program but there is no selection for the Genos. When I try to load a registration, it says the Source keyboard is unknown. Does Murray offer an update for the Genos?
I tried opening my copied registrations from a USB drive. I got the error shown in the attached picture. Murray's program worked really well on my T4. His efforts are very much appreciated!
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I downloaded Murray's program but there is no selection for the Genos. When I try to load a registration, it says the Source keyboard is unknown. Does Murray offer an update for the Genos?
I tried opening my copied registrations from a USB drive. I got the error shown in the attached picture. Murray's program worked really well on my T4. His efforts are very much appreciated!
Hi Lee,
Which version of Yamaha Registration Manager did you install?
Murray Best's Yamaha Registration Manager 5.1 supports Genos.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4783/40026309965_aa3981360a_b.jpg)
Download the installer "YRMsetup510.msi" :
Link: https://www.bit.ly/YRM510S24
Download the English manual:
Link: https://www.bit.ly/YRM510English
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Thanks Paul. I downloaded 5.0. I'll use your link. Thanks again!
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I downloaded Murray's program but there is no selection for the Genos. When I try to load a registration, it says the Source keyboard is unknown. Does Murray offer an update for the Genos?
I tried opening my copied registrations from a USB drive. I got the error shown in the attached picture. Murray's program worked really well on my T4. His efforts are very much appreciated!
You need to use the most up to date version of the program.
Fred
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The link on the PSR Tutorial main site (https://psrtutorial.com/util/best.html) has not been updated.
It still downloads the previous version of the program... 'YRMsetup500.msi'
Regards
Ian
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Ian is correct. That was where I made my error. I successfully downloaded Version 5.1 and it works great. Thanks Murray!
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I am a little confused regarding a startup registration. My Tyros was always ready to play when turned on! My Genos needs at least 2.ACMP and OTS link always defaults to off and the last used rhythm is lost!
Confused Amature Sheffield.
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I am a little confused regarding a startup registration. My Tyros was always ready to play when turned on! My Genos needs at least 2.ACMP and OTS link always defaults to off and the last used rhythm is lost!
Confused Amature Sheffield.
Well, Confused, your memory is fading. I still have my T4 here, so I ran a test. I turned both on, and see no difference in operation.
1. Neither keyboard remembers the last used style (which is what I assume you meant by "rhythm").
2. Both keyboards have ACMP off.
3. Both keyboards have OTS Link off.
Hope this helps,
Fred
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Yes That is correct. The keyboard will only bring up your settings when you engage one of the registration buttons the same as all other Tyros keyboards.
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Yes That is correct. The keyboard will only bring up your settings when you engage one of the registration buttons the same as all other Tyros keyboards.
Dear Eileen,
thanks for going to the trouble of sending me your bank. Please accept my admiration for your dedication to us lesser musicians. And WHAT A BEAUTIFUL creation that bank is. I never use any effects, but even in that respect the bank was a revelation.
But it was not only beautiful, it helped solve the “Genos -bad-memory-mystery" at least to some degree.
It is the old story about apples pears.
YES your beutifullly built bank that contains only one style with its variations and right hand voices worked perfectly.
I could change the speed, save that as a new reg file, and then call it up again everything OK.
Then I proceeded to do what I always did on my Tyros 5 and what has caused problems with the 2 Genos I have here since weeks.
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I put a different style under each button - please excuse the unprofessional expression.
2
I make every knob start with the intro of that exchanged style to have an interlude as what I dislike most about today's music is that to me - the fossil - it is too monotonous. (It starts with Genos having a lot of two bar styles. My Lowrey MX 1 had 4 and even 8 bar styles nearly 40 years ago)
3
As you know there are absolutely fantastic intros on the Genos and some are 8 bars long. Some of them have too many instruments, so I go to style creator and silence some voices putting for instance the PANEL sliders to zero and save that "NEW" intro in the style.
4
In case there is a distortion guitar I try to find a less obnoxious voice and exchange that in the intro. Then I save the doctored style by overwriting the old version. I control memorization by going to my style file folder, starting the style by its intro.
5
I like variations in volume both for the style and the melody under many a knob and save that for each knob. In to-days discos they keep the volume constant at 95 dB so again I am doing something Genos was not designed to do.
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From knob 5 on I usually save the transpose knob one half note higher as I dislike hearing a song in the same pitch for very long. Louis Armstrong contrary to to-day's musicians used to do that very often. But of course heavy metal is a different kind of noise.
g
Then I quite often change the speed, especial the speed under the last knob for the ending to go slow.
I did all this “doctoring” to your bank and played it. Everything was less beautiful - the experiment was not to compete with you -but as intended.
I saved it.
Guess what, already on the first reopening a lot of things were missing and worst of all the careful settings of volume balance between style and right hand was messed up.
Some kind person on this site wrote – I believe I did thank him but cannot find him right now - he felt I might be “overloading the buttons”
Maybe that is the problem, it’s like with my old brain, I can remember simple things but when things get complicated I am in trouble.
Cheers
Kaarlo
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Maybe that is the problem, it’s like with my old brain, I can remember simple things but when things get complicated I am in trouble.
It's a big club, Kaarlo. Don't feel bad :)!! At least we're not dealing with the lunacy of Microsoft! I make my living using their crap - believe me, Yamaha are experts in comparison! But I digress...what was the subject :)?
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Kaarlo,
You should post your registration here, so we can take a look at it, and help you find out what’s wrong.
Fred
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I am sure you are not overloading registration buttons as mainly you are saving links to things such as voices and styles.
Do make sure that when saving your registrations you do not have your parameter lock on. Once you have completed your bank then put it on and it will make sure that if you load in a rouge registration it will not alter your settings.
As Fred says it would be best if you upload a registration that we can look at and try to see what is going wrong.
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I am sure you are not overloading registration buttons as mainly you are saving links to things such as voices and styles.
Do make sure that when saving your registrations you do not have your parameter lock on. Once you have completed your bank then put it on and it will make sure that if you load in a rouge registration it will not alter your settings.
As Fred says it would be best if you upload a registration that we can look at and try to see what is going wrong.
Thank Eileen and Fred,
you are always a great asset for those who have problems. As a fact I just 20 minutes ago tried to send photos, but after I had loaded the attachments - which did take some time as I failed to grasp that you cannot attach a folder and have to attach the files and then ran into the problem of putting in too much - but finally it seemed to work out. But then I got the message the attachment had not passed security, contact the administrator whom I finally found, so I sent a message. Hopefully I will get a reply. But anyway I will try now to send the photo of your working reg file and of what I get for mine. Will be interesting to see if it again bounces....... got the same message about security :(
Thanks
Kaarlo
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you are always a great asset for those who have problems. As a fact I just 20 minutes ago tried to send photos, but after I had loaded the attachments - which did take some time as I failed to grasp that you cannot attach a folder and have to attach the files and then ran into the problem of putting in too much - but finally it seemed to work out. But then I got the message the attachment had not passed security, contact the administrator whom I finally found, so I sent a message. Hopefully I will get a reply. But anyway I will try now to send the photo of your working reg file and of what I get for mine. Will be interesting to see if it again bounces....... got the same message about security :(
Don’t send the photo. Send the registration.
Fred
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As Fred says photos are no use we need to hear the registration. Just attach it like I did.