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PSR Keyboards (11 Boards) => PSR-S975/S775 => Topic started by: Mega Voice on January 10, 2018, 09:55:03 AM
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Here you are!
https://asia-latinamerica-mea.yamaha.com/en/products/musical_instruments/keyboards/arranger_workstations/psr-s975/index.html
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Think I will probably wait until a Brand new model comes out in a couple of years time
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Interesting!
"Newly implemented Half bar fill-in, Mono legato function expand the variation of your performance."
That's different from the PSR-S970, isn't it?
But the big questions are,
(1) will these models be sold in North America, or
(2) are they special modified versions of the PSR-S970/770 that will be sold only in certain countries?
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Good questions Michael!
They're not showing up on the UK site yet but I'll keep looking ...
https://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/musical_instruments/keyboards/arranger_workstations/index.html
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Looks to me like those improvements could have been done with a firmware update.
Half Bar
Save Live Control in registrations
Mono Lagato
Looks to me it's targeting a certain Asian market. I agree with Eileen, we should wait for the next PSR successor to the S970. I think we will see these improvements and MORE.
Joe H
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I'm looking the specs of s775 compared with my s770 but I can't find any major upgrade, only a few:
Half bar fill-in and Mono legato function
280 MB on-board memory for expansion data
A "Plus" button on Styles/Voices parts (on the "Plus" category: Euro dance or Salsa pack are pre-installed in PLUS category.)
Only one thing I like much: The total black finish of the case...
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I see there is a 768MB Expansion Memory also. This is silly marketing on the part of Yamaha. The additional expansion memory could also have been done with a OS firmware update.
What Yamaha trying to do here? I would be happy to pay a fee for these upgrades, but NOT pay for another whole keyboard. This is unacceptable. Looks like Yamaha is going the way of Microsoft and Apple Corporations.
Joe H
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It was a mistake to publish it already .... the webmaster was toooooo fast.
It shouldn't be official before end of month :-)
Just wait some days for more information.
greetings from germany
frank
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I see there is a 768MB Expansion Memory also. This is silly marketing on the part of Yamaha. The additional expansion memory could also have been done with a OS firmware update.
Joe H
Hi Joe,
The Expansion flash capacity is probably fixed and not an OS firmware update can increase. It is limited by the hardware itself.
Thanks,
Paul
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What Yamaha trying to do here?
Hi Joe and folks --
I think Yamaha is getting out a quick response to the Korg Pa700/Pa1000. The mid-range is super competitive. More opinions at:
http://sandsoftwaresound.net/psr-s975-announced/
I don't think the S975/S775 are targeted for current S970/S770 users. Not a big enough functional delta and too soon after the last mid-range launch. It's a pretty modest refresh with maybe the next biggest ONFI NAND flash memory dropped into the same printed circuit board footprint.
The PLUS category is interesting from the global perspective. Yamaha can pre-load and sell region-specific units. Smart. That's probably why they improved mono legato, too.
I'm still trying to figure out their functional roadmap for audio styles. The S975 has expansion space for audio styles; the S775 does not.
I haven't seen any pricing, but I expect prices to be comparable to current models.
All the best, everyone -- pj
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Hi all, nothing very important;just a very small update from the S970, so i'll stay with my S970; the PSR S970 already have the 128 MB for audio styles only! I have not used this memory because i've not found some audio styles for the S970; the best thing is to be abble to use these 128 MB for expansion pack! Yamaha can make an update for this!All the best Patrick
;)
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I agree with Joe H. that those updates that were made in the S975, could have been made in the S970, with firmware update, but Yamaha simply did not want to. and if it is as PJD says, an answer to Korg Pa700 / 1000 I advance that my second keyboard is going to be the Korg Pa1000, because I plan to keep my S970, until there is a really important update from Yamaha. greetings Hans
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Almost like S970. No big deal!
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To me, the fact that the model numbers differ from the current ones in the 1's place rather than the 10's suggests a minor change rather than a major one. I don't know whether all of the changes could have been accomplished with a firmware update; at least some of them may have required different ROM chips in addition to more RAM chips?
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I'm guessing now that there is no firmware code space left for adding an option to save ' Live control' assignments in registrations for the 770/970. A real shame if true.
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If these keyboards have new chip sets then I'll accept that these upgrades could not have been done with firmware code. PJ stated there was plenty of room on the S970 for more expansion memory. I and a few others have posted here many ideas for upgrades. Yamaha refuses to accept these ideas directly from customers.
I think Yamaha is getting their upgrade ideas from this forum so they don't have to pay anyone royalties. I can't believe there are no people at Yamaha dreaming up ideas for new features. I think also Yamaha is focused on opening up new markets in Asia and the Mid-East.
For any company; how big... is big enough.
This is sad. :( :( :(
Joe H
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What is “mono lagato”? Never heard of that. What function does it serve?
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This will help explain mono legato.
https://ask.audio/articles/understanding-mono-legato-mode-in-synth-sample-vis
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Personally I expected at least 1GB of memory for expansion packs, chord sequencer, new styles with revo drum kit, song sequencer with deep event editing, vocal harmonizer with pitch correction. 5 styles of free play instead of three, 4 live control knobs, extended arpeggio library, combination of arpeggios between left hand and right hand. If all the above had been added to the S975, then it would be worth changing from S970 to S975. but at the moment there is no worthwhile reason to make the change from S970 to S975
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Personally I expected at least 1GB of memory for expansion packs, chord sequencer, new styles with revo drum kit, song sequencer with deep event editing, vocal harmonizer with pitch correction. 5 styles of free play instead of three, 4 live control knobs, extended arpeggio library, combination of arpeggios between left hand and right hand. All of the above added to the S975, yes is a true update as for change from S970 to S975. but at the moment it's not worth changing my S970 to S975
I think you just described the NEXT PSR arranger... maybe the PSR S990.
;)
Joe H
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Hello Joe I apologize for my English, I just corrected the previous thread. greetings Hans
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If Joe, it is true now we have to wait for the next PSR - S990 or whatever it is called, maybe PSR - G990 or PSR - G1000, we really do not know what Yamaha thinks. greetings Hans
;D
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The psr s975 and 775 are the new models of Yamaha, but the psr s975 no includes the revodrums! :(
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Hello friends of this wonderful forum!
At last Yamaha heard your customers!
Half Bar Fill (although it does not have a specific button), Live Control (Knobs) can be saved in the Resgistration Memory
and "Mono / Legato" function, have been much discussed here in the forum.
Congratulations Yamaha!
Enildo
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While adding some interesting things, I do not know if it would be worth changing my s970 for s975.
The s975 is only a small update to the s970, but it's not a new keyboard.
Maybe it's better, at least for me, to continue with s970 until the next release (Psr s990 or g990 or s1000, etc.)
with other functions and features besides those placed in the s975.
They did with the s975 pretty much the same thing they did before the s900 for s910.
Thanks to all who have read these words,
Enildo
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I'm sad, because I was hoping to move from S770 to S990 if it came out later this year.
I'd really like a Genos but can't quite bring myself to spend that much on it.
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While adding some interesting things, I do not know if it would be worth changing my s970 for s975.
The s975 is only a small update to the s970, but it's not a new keyboard.
Maybe it's better, at least for me, to continue with s970 until the next release (Psr s990 or g990 or s1000, etc.)
with other functions and features besides those placed in the s975.
They did with the s975 pretty much the same thing they did before the s900 for s910.
Thanks to all who have read these words,
Enildo
I'm going to wait! We might see more changes in the next S9xx or whatever it will be called. When I requested the Live Control be saved in registrations... I was told "it couldn't be done". There is only 2 explanations for what we see in the Genos and S975.
1. I was lied to
2. Yamaha re-wrote the firmware code to allow this function.
Joe H
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I'm going to wait! We might see more changes in the next S9xx or whatever it will be called. When I requested the Live Control be saved in registrations... I was told "it couldn't be done". There is only 2 explanations for what we see in the Geno and S975.
1. I was lied to
2. Yamaha re-wrote the firmware code to allow this function.
Joe H
You were right Joe H! Live control could be resolved with an update.
Extracting the memory of "Expansion Voice" (768mb), the rest could be done only with updates.
The "Plus" styles and voices, we would continue to use the YEM to select what we wanted.
Enildo
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Glad they put the "Half Bar fill" function, I complained about this little detail that makes a lot of difference when we are playing live.
I'm glad you're listening to our pleas! LOL
I hope in the next Psr comes a physical button for such a function.
Enildo
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Will the PSR S975 S775 be available in USA? I hope so.
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I'm happy with my S970 and not gonna upgrade it to 975 coz it's not worth it.. Good luck with your new toy Yamaha..
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don't see anything here that excites me, the S980 will be more interesting with some trickle-down technology from the genos.
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Great dissapointed. Still SA2! Voices and Mega!Choir voices are not included in PSR keyboards.
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While adding some interesting things, I do not know if it would be worth changing my s970 for s975.
The s975 is only a small update to the s970, but it's not a new keyboard.
Maybe it's better, at least for me, to continue with s970 until the next release (Psr s990 or g990 or s1000, etc.)
with other functions and features besides those placed in the s975.
They did with the s975 pretty much the same thing they did before the s900 for s910.
Thanks to all who have read these words,
Enildo
May be this is like slight updating like PSR-2000 to PSR-2100 and
PSR-1000 to PSR-1100. But the next release PSR-3000 had lot of improvement.
I hope we can expect more next to PSR-S*75.
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I think this keyboard has been produced more for the Asian marked. Hence the S button which contains a lot of ethnic styles I believe.
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I think the 975 would be great those SA2 voices are nice violin trumpet I will miss them.
I will wait for a few demos but I might sell my T4 it is getting heavier, the size and weight
of the 975 same as the 970 which I will keep as I need two keyboards.
the 975 will probably sound good with one bose better two or 400 I will can cover the rest
on board speakers I like that too.
over 65 now I was hoping for better considered the PA 1000, but don't want to learn the
operating system, 970 and 975 basically the same set up
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I now own an almost new PSR A3000, purchased a few months ago. but I'm already thinking of selling it, I want to buy s975, because it offers many advantages! I look forward to it with joy!
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For those who own S970/S770 maybe is not good idea to switch.
For all those who own older keyboards than S970/S770 is very good opportunity to switch.
With half bar,Mono-legato,more expansion memory S975/S775 are Huge forwards compare S950 and older....
Very good keyboards for Eastern Europe/Balkan countries.
Good Job Yamaha.
Regards.
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But how to sell it when the S1000, small Genos arrives in maybe 1 year.
A totally new breed of S series
Maybe with touch screen + +
Pino
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Talking about PSR-S970 Vs PSR-S975 (Voices)
While viewing the specification chart
In S970
989 Panel Voices, 41 Drum/SFX Kits
Featured Voices:
131 S.Art!, 30 Mega Voices, 31 Sweet! Voices, 74 Cool! Voices, 89 Live! Voices, 30 Organ Flutes!
In S975
1090 Panel Voices, 55 Drum/SFX Kits
Featured Voices:
140 S.Art!, 30 Mega Voices, 32 Sweet! Voices, 74 Cool! Voices, 99 Live! Voices, 30 Organ Flutes!
So in S975 there are 101 additional panel voices, 14 additional Drum/SFX Kits.
In featured voices 9 additional S.Art! Voices, 1 additional Sweet! Voice, and 10 additional Live! Voices. But the Mega! Voice and Cool! Voice are same as S970.
So there won't be any new Mega Guitars, Mega Brasses and Mega Choirs given in TYROS5.
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I’m hanging on to the S970. Besides, I just added the Pa 1000. Nice board. The two models complement each other, with their own pros and cons.
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The owner's manual, reference manual, and data list are now available on the (USA) Yamaha site. There is also a fourth document: The PLUS Contents List for the pre-loaded additional (PluS) content.
All the best -- pj
https://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical_instruments/keyboards/arranger_workstations/psr-s975/downloads.html#product-tabs
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Thank!
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kraft music, already has it in preorder
https://www.kraftmusic.com/yamaha-psr-s975-arranger-workstation-keyboard-key-essentials-bundle.html
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OK, so plus looks like voice + style from Euro Dance, style from Salsa, voice + style from (various?) ethnic packs, and multipads from all of those.
I had a quick scan through the manuals. The expansion memory is (a bit) bigger, and you can display lyrics from audio files, and there's the infamous mono legato + half bar fills.
But there does not appear to be any change to anything else (no new effect types for example).
If you're new to the market then obviously pick S975 over S970, but if you're already on S970 I see no real reason to trade up.
Bother, back to working out how to sneak a Genos into the house. >:(
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And those new Plus styles appear to be Salsa and EDM mostly... so is this really a keyboard for the Asian market. Where is the Joystick if it's for Eastern music? Yamaha should have used the A3000 board instead of the S970 board.
Joe H
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There are a couple of places in the UK advertising S975 on pre-order, "available February", priced £1930. They're selling S970 for about £500 less so I'd expect the price to drop a fair amount before it's actually available.
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Hello Guys, I checked the PSR data list -S975, and it has the same sounds that come in the S970, (the same pianos, the same strings, the same section of winds and metals etc. etc.) what I think is can New as "EXTRA SOUNDS" are those that come in the folder PLUS (EDM and Salsa) and some minor changes (Monolegato, half bar stuffing, and foot controller for Live commands). As said before, this could have been done with a simple firmware update on the S970, but sadly Yamaha did not want to listen, because commercial interests come first, rather than providing good support and helping the needs of customers . Greetings Hans
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On the Italian Yamaha site, the new PSR-S975 is described as the "definitive" PSR. This implies that there will not be a PSR S990, just as there has not been a Tyros 6. Will the PSR series also turn the page? I think so ...
In Italy the PSR S970 several sites offered it to €. 1,550.00 (a good deal), this initially made me think that within a year the younger sister of the Ginos would be commercialized, in reality the output of the PSR S975 seems a commercial choice to cover the next two years, meanwhile sales of the Ginos will have stabilized and it will be time for the heir of the PSRs970 / 975 ...
as always excuse the bad English .. Pietro
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I believe this is the Asian version with a little more memory added and the S button which I think contains more Asian type styles.
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I believe this is the Asian version with a little more memory added and the S button which I think contains more Asian type styles.
They added 2 expansion packs preinstalled.
From the specs it looks like the S button accesses the expansion packs.
I have not seen anything that would suggest a KB for the Asian market.
Eric
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Hi Eileen, the PSR S 975 is advertised on the Italian site of Yamaha and on sale on reservation on a French site ... for those interested ... I attach links yamaha Italy and Woodbrass.com France (Euro 1.999,00).
https://it.yamaha.com/it/products/musical_instruments/keyboards/arranger_workstations/psr-s975/index.html
https://www.woodbrass.com/it-it/yamaha-psr-s975-p257979.html
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Hello, is it possible to get the extra EDM styles for PSR-s970? How please?
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There is... but you will need the Yamaha Euro Dance expansion pack. And they are better than what Yamaha gave us, if I have to say so myself.
:)
http://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,36784.msg279390.html#msg279390 (http://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,36784.msg279390.html#msg279390)
Joe H
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Hi, OK, it would be nice to hear some little demos of those Styles, which they appear not to offer... In any case thank you. :)
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You have got to be kidding!
Do you have any idea how much went work into creating those styles? And how many more hours were required to convert them to play on 3 different keyboards?
I hope you like them and can make use of them.
Regards,
Joe H
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Well, I took the plunge this morning and ordered a new Psr-s970 to replace my ageing s900 which I have to say has been a brilliant keyboard. Considering that recently 2 of the main variation buttons have started working intermittently and have joined the non functioning break button, I got a very good part exchange price against my new machine. I hope I have made the right decision not to go for the s975 instead but reading your comments on here I think I have made the right choice as the differences don’t appear to be that great.
I’m now excited for it to arrive at the end of the week ! :)
Rich
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The S970 is a great keyboard. Good choice!
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Well, I now have my Psrs970, I have only had it for one day and I know I need time to get used to it but I have to say so far I regret the purchase. The sound isn’t as good as my S900 in my opinion and although some voices are better I think Yamaha have ruined the default ‘out of the box’ experience. I used to rely on the main variation/OTS link when switching between styles, generally confident that the associated voice was suitable (admittedly not always), now however they appear to have selected poor voice choices, many of which are far too quiet to hear and require constant volume adjustment. I only play at home, for myself, and used to flow from one song to another usually without having to tweak too much, now I cannot, what is disappointing is that many of the same styles carried forward from the S900 now sound so different (well the voices anyway).
I need to understand how the organ voices work (any guidance appreciated!) as many are so quiet even when adjusted to 127 on the volume that they are not worth using.
At this point sadly I wish I had just paid to have my S900 buttons repaired, oh well, you live and learn !
🙁🙁
Rich
N.B. - fortunately I did have the presence of mind to save my S900 styles & voices onto a USB stick before I let it go, I am so pleased I did, at least I can enjoy playing them how I used to.
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I think this is actually a really common experience when replacing anything that we have a real attachment to - whether it's a keyboard, or a car, or a house ..
You do need to allow yourself a little time to adjust to the change, and be ready to feel a little uncomfortable at first.
Above all, remember, if you really did want to keep playing what you were used to then you would have fixed your S900. You wanted something different, and that's what you've got. I think in time you will be pleased with your decision.
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Hello, as DerekA says, just give yourself time to know your new instrument, you will see a world of possibilities that you never imagined. what if, for example, you start modifying the master equalizer. try the next setting Eq. which is Enildo's, to see how you are doing and then you tell us. Greetings Hans
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You can also test this setting that adds a touch of more "Low".
Good Luck!
Enildo
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Hello Rich! I went through the excact same thing! I was not at all satisfied with my S970 at first, and still think that many of the OTS settings are wrong for me. But, it has so many great features! And you can always load your old styles into it and continue to use them. They will sound even better in the S970. It has more memory, so you can fill the user esction, and USB sticks as well, with thousands of styles. So, all in all we made a good choice, you and I, we just have to get used to our new keyboard :)
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If you guys want to capture a screen shot of your keyboard display there is a way to do it. See the attached document.
Joe H
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Rich,
you are just used to listen to the sounds from your old keyboard so the new sounds of the organs you liked maybe sound bad because are strange to you.
I believe this is happening to a lot of us when we buy a new keyboard.
You can adjust and edit any voice/style/OTS the way you like it anyway.
All music indunstry (and is not the only one) relies on that "function" of the human brain to like what sounds/looks familiar.
Same patterns,same chord progressions,same type of arrengments,similar human voices untill they find something new.
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If you guys want to capture a screen shot of your keyboard display there is a way to do it. See the attached document.
Joe H
Hello Joe! I tried on my s970 but I could not!
Did you get it on yours?
hug
Enildo
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Hello Joe! I tried on my s970 but I could not!
Did you get it on yours?
hug
Enildo
Yes, got it! Thank you Joe for this important tip!
I'm very happy about it!
Hug,
Enildo
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I tried it and it didn't work on my S970 like it did on the S910 so I posted over on another thread with another way of doing it.
http://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,42699.msg340720.html#msg340720 (http://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,42699.msg340720.html#msg340720)
Joe H
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Hi Joe,
thanks for the document, on my S970 it worked when starting up as described and then pressing the Registration Key 8.
A sound gives feedback, that the file is written.
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Oh,
I figured out that I have my MIDI patch-bay configured wrong. I just tried it again and it indeed does work. It is saved as .bmp to your USB1 drive and you must convert the file to a .jpg to post here.
::)
Joe H
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I've just added "bmp" to the list of allowable attachment extensions, Joe.
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Thank you Roger! That will save a lot of people having to convert the screenshots in the future.
:)
Joe H
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So, I have been talking with SweetWater, Guitar Center and a third store in California, asking them for the availability date, and I get nothing solid, some say May 2018, some say March, even Amazon.com does not have a date.
I wonder why its taking forever to arrive to the US, given that it did in Europe already, a month or more ago.
Does any one have any updates on this?
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They add crumbs in the internal memory capacity, in each new edition of keyboards, while any flash drive today may have a lot more gigabytes of memory. Shameful!
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I remember to something, Technics did years before. Between KN 6000 and 7000 they released an improved KN 6000 with the name KN 6500.
People spoke about SA2 voices in the midrange.
Well, these voices were introduced with the Tyros 3. I expected Yamaha, to do something like this in the midrange too, because the articulation voices, introduced with Tyros 2, came to PSR S 900.
Now came Tyros 4, Tyros 5, Genos - and the midrange keeps ignoring SArt2 voices, violin and clarinet without any articulation, trumpet and sax the same, as in Tyros 2.
I can imagine, that Yamaha offers a PSR S 990 with Revo Drums and NO SArt2 voices.
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It's hard to know any company's long term strategy, but they do need to keep some features reserved to the Genos line, even when the PSR is technically able to handle them. Otherwise, who would want to spend all that extra money?
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It's hard to know any company's long term strategy, but they do need to keep some features reserved to the Genos line, even when the PSR is technically able to handle them. Otherwise, who would want to spend all that extra money?
Yes, but we can hope they will release a new keyboard that is something in between the PSR S975 and the Genos. The two Live Control knobs was a good start, but give me more. I would like to see a PSR without any speakers and more sliders and knobs and maybe a ribbon Controller too. How about 3 pedal inputs. One for a sweep pedal and 2 foot switches... all sliders, knobs and foot pedals / foot switches fully assignable with ANY MIDI message.
;)
Joe H
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That will make it a synth. I agree, but will keep the speakers.
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That will make it a synth. I agree, but will keep the speakers.
The reason I say no speakers is because there is simply no more room on the PSR panel for more sliders and knobs. Half of the panel space is consumed by the speakers. And my personal preference for no speakers is because I don't ever use them in my home studio. I use headphones or external speakers in that environment.
;)
Joe H
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Hi,
Decided to upgrade the s970 for the s975 even though minute changes i still wanted a NEW machine.
It is supposed to arrive late Tuesday afternoon. The s970 is up for sale in several israeli used sites and hope to get a bit
more than what the dealer has offered.
I noticed on the yamaha site, that 4 free packs are being offered. Will have to get those downloaded as well as get the
s970 user files transferred. Also consulted the data list to make sure that all styles are remaining. Kind of a bummer not
getting new ones... Am expecting a Genos in mid july so will have some new goodies as well.
https://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical_instruments/keyboards/arranger_workstations/psr-s975/vse.html
this is link for the 4 free packs
Perhaps by end of week shall have some thoughts and opinions.
Thanks to all who have shared their new s975 experiences and some help.
cheers
elaine
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Elaine,
Congratulations on your new s975. I made the move from a 970 to the 975 and have been very happy with the new instrument. Like any change, it takes a little getting used to. I still have not really dug into the new features available but I will in time.
Thanks for the link and have fun with the new board.
Paul B