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Title: New pictures
Post by: ckobu on September 25, 2017, 10:57:18 AM
I found this on the net ...
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: pedro_pedroc on September 25, 2017, 11:02:45 AM
This is the real thing!
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: Bandy on September 25, 2017, 11:05:34 AM
To be hostest I think Tyros is prettier :) But anyway it is good finally after 15 years there is a revolution, not another evolution :)
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: Tom NL on September 25, 2017, 11:12:18 AM
Great find ckobu, thanks for posting them!  :D
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: maartenb on September 25, 2017, 11:23:33 AM
Zooming in on the "show.jpg" picture and looking at the wall, one can read the tag line:

Take Control Of Your Music

So I think Yamaha are going to emphasize the nine sliders, six "nuclear tower" knobs and the six assignable knobs and the real time effects that they have.


Maarten

P.S. I count eightteen (18!) Genos'es in the show.jpg picture!  :o
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: alans on September 25, 2017, 11:27:20 AM
WOW!!

Thanks for posting the pics 😁😁

 It would seem the "leaked " picture was accurate,nice looking  board.Now all we need is to hear it.
If it sounds as good as it looks I'm in 😃😃

Alan
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: Jeff Hollande on September 25, 2017, 11:37:31 AM
Thank you for these pictures ! :)

Wonderful gift !
That must be the real Beast !

IMHO it looks completely different than the Tyros.

Jeff
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: Tommy 73 on September 25, 2017, 11:40:50 AM
Looking good  :)
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: soundphase on September 25, 2017, 11:40:55 AM
Sustain + Harmony/Arpeggio buttons at the right
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: Roger Brenizer on September 25, 2017, 11:43:42 AM
I noticed that the Multi Pad Control has been moved to the right side of the keyboard.  That would take a little getting used to for me, having played a T4 for some time now.
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: voodoo on September 25, 2017, 11:51:19 AM
I noticed that the Multi Pad Control has been moved to the right side of the keyboard.  That would take a little getting used to for me, having played a T4 for some time now.

The layout is taken from the PSR-S line. There the multi pads are also on the right side.
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: ugawoga on September 25, 2017, 11:52:46 AM
Great looking keyboard ,but no show on what speaker system It will use

Multi-pads on the right hand side even better, but registration changing may be awkward as It Is in the middle.
No doubt with some practice It will be a breeze to use.

It is just the pain of that manual again!! :o :)

This will keep the forum going to bed late tonight !! :P
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: pedro_pedroc on September 25, 2017, 12:02:41 PM
One thing I didn't like.
The display on Tyros 3/4/5 is adjustable (more vertical up/down).
In Genos, it is fixed, looking like the PSR-S series.

For me, the biggest kickback until now.

Someone may say: this occours because of the touch display. I don't think so. The touch display may be adjustable either.

Att.
Pedro
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: tflynnuk on September 25, 2017, 12:06:42 PM
Thanks for sharing these pictures, it's great to get a close-up (and clear) look at it! :)
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: psr500 on September 25, 2017, 12:07:30 PM
Aesthetically seems a PSR-S on steroids  :o. Hope the sound quality and performance surpass by far the Tyros serie
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: ugawoga on September 25, 2017, 12:09:17 PM
At least the screen will make you sit upright Instead of slouching those shoulders

The screen to me looks inset and banked up fairly well though :)


It does remind me of my old Technics KN2000

To me It Is what It does that counts
Whatever you think all keyboards are a box with knobs on ::)
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: maartenb on September 25, 2017, 12:13:33 PM
no show on what speaker system It will use

The "Star Dust" teaser clearly shows pairs of holes in the back, very similar to the Tyros. So I assume that one pair will be for the document holder and the other one for a speaker. Looks like the Genos will have the same sort of speaker setup as the Tyros series.


Maarten
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: Tryggve on September 25, 2017, 12:14:29 PM
And the click....??? :(
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: alans on September 25, 2017, 12:14:47 PM
At least the screen will make you sit upright Instead of slouching those shoulders

The screen to me looks inset and banked up fairly well though :)


It does remind me of my old Technics KN2000

To me It Is what It does that counts


Yes,funny enough,I thought of  the Technics Kn2000 when I first saw the pics,as they say,everything goes in circles.

Alan
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: ugawoga on September 25, 2017, 12:16:20 PM
If it Is Maarten I am going for the speakers you recommend 8)
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: maartenb on September 25, 2017, 12:17:38 PM
The harmony/arp button tells me that there will only be a single arp
Which gives the whole thing the idea of a toy and not a tool.

With all due respect, I think you are jumping to conclusions. The "Star Dust" teaser said in the text on YouTube that all sounds were coming from the Genos. The arps I heard in that demo are no toys! They sound very good!

Now that we know how the instrument looks like, I can't wait to hear the thing in action!


Maarten
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: ugawoga on September 25, 2017, 12:20:03 PM
Cheer up Bachus ,It could of been Brass Knobs"!! :o ;D
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: jgriffin on September 25, 2017, 12:21:32 PM
I'm also anxious to see the music stand attached for us "readers only".
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: maartenb on September 25, 2017, 12:23:18 PM
Three Articulation buttons... I wonder what the third articulation is going to bring us...


Maarten
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: ugawoga on September 25, 2017, 12:29:45 PM
Hi Bachus
I think we will have the pain of waiting a little longer and I hope Yamaha can pull the magic rabbit out of the hat. :)

Well Maarten , I hope the third Articulation Is a Whiskey dispenser button. :P

I cannot wait to get my hands on the little beasty ;)
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: soundphase on September 25, 2017, 12:33:52 PM
Three Articulation buttons... I wonder what the third articulation is going to bring us...


Maarten

A third articulation :-)

It's just a joke Marteen... To tease you a little.  ;)
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: Jeff Hollande on September 25, 2017, 12:43:42 PM
Now that we have seen the Genos, the most important feature is the SOUND ! 😍

Jeff
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: vbdx66 on September 25, 2017, 12:46:25 PM
Jeff, I just had it at the tip of my tongue but you were quicker! 8)
We want to LISTEN to that thing. Some sound pleeaaaaase...  :P

Vinciane.
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: chony on September 25, 2017, 12:52:13 PM
What's the button on top of the ART 3 button?

"Rotary SP/Assignable"

Is that what is says? What does that mean?
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: vbdx66 on September 25, 2017, 12:56:51 PM
What's the button on top of the ART 3 button?
It reads "rotary sp - assignable".
"Rotary sp" stands for "rotary speaker" I guess. Good news for organ lovers.
By the way the 76 keys are also good news for organ lovers because it is easier to mimick a double keyboard than with 61 keys.

Vinciane.
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: soundphase on September 25, 2017, 01:20:39 PM
I suspect A,B,C,D,E,F buttons to give a direct access to one specific screen page by registration ....
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: pjd on September 25, 2017, 01:22:03 PM
Major leakage! Wow! Thank you!

Now if only we can play it, hear it and weigh it.  :D

-- pj
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: DerekA on September 25, 2017, 01:26:22 PM
It had better sound good, because I think it looks terrible!

For example that tiny 'Exit' button all out on its own looks silly. I wonder if they will be soft-feel buttons like the PSRs, or clicky like the Tyros. And that narrow little window above the sliders just reminds me of the SY synths.

I'm a bit surprised to see a button dedicated to 'rotary speaker' rather than a more generic 'DSP', seems a bit specific. No 'DSP Variation' button - perhaps that's relegated to the touch screen now - or one of those 6 'assignable' buttons.

It looks like you can crossfade between 'Song A' and 'Song B' - I don't think I've read much speculation about that before, wonder what that's all about.

Interested to know just how 'assignable' the knobs, sliders and buttons are - if they are genuinely assigable to control anything, now that would be useful.
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: pjd on September 25, 2017, 01:37:20 PM
Wheeeeeeeeeeeew, now I can breathe again.  ;D

Well, I rather like the direction of the industrial design -- clean, professional. If the overall form factor holds, the weight may have come down from the T5.

A fixed display probably weighs less than a tilt design, but it's clear that many people are expecting a tilt design.

Not to be a wet blanket, but I'm still not sure what I'm looking at (early demo model vs. final product design). Not that it matters, but I don't really want to invest emotion in something which may change.

Deep breaths, deep breaths. Sitting by a quiet mountain stream, birds chirping, AUM.  :D

Love you guys -- pj


Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: MillKa on September 25, 2017, 01:46:00 PM
Thanks a lot for the pictures !

Some button labels are a bit blurred - here are my guesstimations what they mean ..

Starting from top left:
- On/Off
- Master Volume min/max
- Mic Gain min/max, above Signal (with LEDs ?)
- Vocal Harmony
- Talk

below Master Volume:
- Upper Octave +/-/Reset
- Rotary Sp(eaker)/Assignable (Leslie ?)
- Art(iculation) 1,2,3
- Modulation Hold (cause the JoyStick goes back to central/neutral)
- Joystick (one axis for pitch bend, one axis for modulation)

below Mic controls:
- Song A: Play/Pause, Prev, Next
- Song B: Play/Pause, Prev, Next
- Recording
- a Fader between Song A/B

below Song A:
- ACMP
- OTS Link
- Auto Fill In

below Song B:
- Tap Tempo
- Tempo +/-/Reset
- Transpose +/-/Reset

above Recording:
- Slider Assign
- Knob Assign

below ACMP: Style Control
- Intro 1,2,3
- Main Variation A,B,C,D
- Break
- Ending/rit. 1,2,3
- SyncStop, SyncStart, Start/Stop
- Direct Access

above Ending:
- 9 Sliders (usable as organ drawables ?)
- 6 Knobs
- secondary Display (for knob/slider values)

below Main Display: Registration Memory
- Regist Bank +/-/Select
- Registration Memory 1 - 10
- Freeze
- Memory

next:
- One Touch Setting 1,2,3,4

above OTS:
- Dial
- Enter
- Inc/Dec
- Exit

to the right: (shortcut to screens ?)
- Home, Menu
- Style, Voice
- Song, Playlist
- Assignable A,B,C,D,E,F

below: Multi Pad Control
- Select/SyncStart
- MultiPad 1,2,3,4
- Stop

to the right: Part On/Off
- Left Hold
- Left
- Right 1,2,3

above: Voice Select
- Left
- Right 1,2,3

above:
- Harmony/Arpeggio
- Sustain

Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: vbdx66 on September 25, 2017, 01:52:51 PM
Hi,

Thanks for the pictures.

I don't like the design at all, not enough buttons, too sparse, reminds me of the Korgs from 10 to 20 years back. By the way, the crossfade between song A and B was already there on the Korg PA 50 (and someone on another forum says on the G70 already), so its not a novelty (but it can help in a live situation).

It is time we HEAR the damn board... :P

Vinciane.
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: Roger Brenizer on September 25, 2017, 02:03:31 PM
It reads "rotary sp - assignable".
"Rotary sp" stands for "rotary speaker" I guess. Good news for organ lovers.
By the way the 76 keys are also good news for organ lovers because it is easier to mimick a double keyboard than with 61 keys.

Vinciane.

My two Yamaha HS-8T organs have 98 keys.  :-\  :o
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: vbdx66 on September 25, 2017, 02:17:34 PM
Hi Roger,

Well of course, even a top-notch keyboard will never replace an organ. But for someone occasionally wanting to play organ on the keyboard, it is easier to do with 76 than with 61 keys (same thing for piano players: even if a real piano has 88 keys, it is easier to play a piano tune on a keyboard with 76 keys than on one with only 61 keys obviously).

I guess that Yamaha is considering the Genos as an all-round keyboard, not specialised in anything but at ease in any situation.

Just my 2 cents,

Regards,

Vinciane.
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: Joe H on September 25, 2017, 02:32:04 PM
The design shows exactly the same implementation as on the psr970..
Where there is a single button for harmony and arp
Which ony works on the r1 voice...

Its enough to convince me that its the same implementation..
To make arps a tool,of art, they should have done it the motif way
With 4 arps...thats so much more usefull

I share your disappointment.  Looks like one arpeggiator... but we will have to see if the harmony Arp button leads to a Menu of something more substantial than the S970.   The arp can be assigned to R1, R2 or both.   The MX61 is bottom of the line Motif series and boasts 2 live arpeggiators at a price of $450.00 USD.

Lets hope there is a substantial increase in the number of arps on the Genos.  The S970 has only 163.   And the $450.00 MX keyboard comes with 999 arps.  This is why I bought a Motif Rack XS... I can play the 6033 arps on the  S970 R1 or R2 channel... probably could route it to Left Voice if I wanted to.

I also agree with your issue on center-detent pots vs. rotary encoders which are far superior.  The LED display will help I'm sure.  So we will have to wait and see if Yamaha incorporated encoder code for the 9 Faders.  This is also important because that kind of firmware code eliminates "jumps" in the current setting when we want to adjust a parameter.

One of my disappointments with the S970 is there should be a popup dialog appear on screen when adjusting the 2 Live Control knobs.  this would allow us to know the actual value of the parameter we are adjusting.  Also knob values saved in each registration.  These could be fixed with a firmware update... but no, Yamaha don't do that... they save it for the next model.

Joe H
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: ugawoga on September 25, 2017, 02:35:41 PM
I noticed no fade in / out button.

I suppose you will have to assign a knob for that
I do not know why people are getting worried about this and  that as I am sure a lot of thing will be accessible through the touch screen.
I like the old fashioned new look  and It does not look too cluttered.

I do hope that Sys Ex is talking between the Genos and Sonar Platinum this time and hope I do not have to get a dedicated Ipad.
I cannot waste all by vst's
Sonar has a great piano roll for editing and a pleasant workface.
Just wished that yamaha listens and has a Daw just for the Genos with a great piano roll and sound editing.
You also get what you pay for and the Genos has a lot to live up to In the next few weeks and sure It will pass with flying colours :)

Kick those packs over the crossbar and lets have bank loading
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: Jeff Hollande on September 25, 2017, 02:48:24 PM
We have not seen how the keyboard will look like when it is powered ( leds and screen on ), with speaker set and stand etc.

Then we can talk about the design, I guess.

I have always loved the Tyros design.
It was/is so different than all other arrangers.

I hope the Genos is creating that same feeling.

Jeff
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: Joe H on September 25, 2017, 02:50:55 PM
I don't see any dedicated buttons to turn style parts On and Off.  Too much dependency of the touch screen... not good.  I use the channel On / Off buttons all the time when working on an arrangement. There should be 8 buttons, preferably assignable.  They had it right with the Montage... either / or... screen or buttons.  So... this will require far more programming of the registrations.

Many things to learn yet.  What kind of foot control options are there?

Joe H
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: Kokoriz on September 25, 2017, 02:54:07 PM
I kinda like the look of this keyboard. I didnít see any buttons that has something to do with the iPad, maybe in the back?
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: Enildo on September 25, 2017, 03:23:47 PM
 Am I being wrong or am I seeing many people disappointed at first look? Lol
 ;D ;D ;D

Enildo
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: Enildo on September 25, 2017, 03:33:06 PM
 I think it's a matter of habit, but I did not like it at first look.
Sure, Yamaha has done a lot of testing, like live performances, but it's going to take a while for everyone to get used to it.

When I switched to the PSR 3000 and did not see the numeric keypad, I had my Psr 540, I kept asking myself, "What now?"
I'm feeling the same with Genos! lol
 ;D ;D ;D

Enildo
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: ugawoga on September 25, 2017, 03:35:57 PM
I think Joe that the sliders are assignable for the style section to control individually or any other things that you want to assign
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: Joe H on September 25, 2017, 04:20:24 PM
I think Joe that the sliders are assignable for the style section to control individually or any other things that you want to assign

I'm talking about direct access for turning style parts on and off.

Joe H
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: mikecruiser on September 25, 2017, 05:06:25 PM
An interesting little video:

https://youtu.be/Pv6aLNv3PTo
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: Enildo on September 25, 2017, 05:14:27 PM
An interesting little video:

https://youtu.be/Pv6aLNv3PTo

Orgaforum does not waste time, already took the images here and made the video!
At the speed of light!

Enildo
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: Marcus on September 25, 2017, 05:25:48 PM
New Genos pictures............


(https://i.imgur.com/i31LszG.gif)

Marcus
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: Joe H on September 25, 2017, 05:35:27 PM
Orgaforum does not waste time, already took the images here and made the video!
At the speed of light!

Enildo

In another week or so he won't be able to make any more money off of the Genos release.

Joe H
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: Joe H on September 25, 2017, 05:48:19 PM
Am I being wrong or am I seeing many people disappointed at first look? Lol
 ;D ;D ;D

Enildo

I think it's more of a case of poor marketing.  Look how there are leaks every week...  coincidence?  Hardly.

And Yamaha do make mistakes.  This will not be the first time they got some things wrong.  Yamaha know better than to design a keyboard that forces everyone to use it in the same way.     :(    :(    :(

The beauty of the Tyros and current PSR S series is that we have options on not only how we construct our work flow, but how we choose to use the keyboard.

Example:  I do things not many others on this forum do... like create styles and Multi Pads and arrangements using up to 16 registrations.  And on the other hand I don't play oldies, do covers or entertain and have never touched certain features that do not serve my interests.



Joe H
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: SeaGtGruff on September 25, 2017, 06:16:13 PM
Presumably the keyboard in the picture is very new. Am I the only person who thinks the touch screen is already getting oily fingerprints in certain spots? Maybe Yamaha or some third party will create a plastic screen protector for it?
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: Jeff Hollande on September 25, 2017, 10:51:45 PM
Today I have seen the Genos photos again and again ...
I must admit I like the Tyros design much more ...🐸

I am disappointed and may hope the Genos sound quality and extra features will convince me to change my mind.🐻

Jeff


Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: Grayfox on September 26, 2017, 12:53:51 AM
Today I have seen the Genos photos again and again ...
I must admit I like the Tyros design much more ...🐸

I am disappointed and may hope the Genos sound quality and extra features will convince me to change my mind.🐻

Jeff
When Rover stopped production it left their Rover 75 still looking quite modern to this day.
Cars only look old when they are replaced by a new model.
This will be the same for Tyros, once you have got used to Genos, the Tyros range will look old fashioned and outdated. Dont worry, after a four year brake, since T5, it will blow you away.
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: Keyboardguy on September 26, 2017, 02:37:15 AM
It's a nice looking instrument, however I'm just slightly disappointed as I expected the styling - especially from Yamaha - to be more 'out there' and radical, just as the T1 was. But then again, life is full of compromises and you can't please everyone. The way it looks wouldn't put me off buying one, I was just hoping for something a little more special. Personally I'd like to see one finished in white. Yes, white! Would look more living room-friendly. Maybe there will be a limited edition at some point in the future. Glad to see a touch screen at last, many have asked me asked why my T3 has buttons instead of a touch screen . . .

I mentioned on another thread that I think that the Genos is going to look better on a stage than in one's living room / home. I reckon this is still the case, in as much that the dark grey finish gives a far more professional look than the previous silver of the Tyros.
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: ugawoga on September 26, 2017, 02:58:58 AM
When Rover stopped production it left their Rover 75 still looking quite modern to this day.
Cars only look old when they are replaced by a new model.
This will be the same for Tyros, once you have got used to Genos, the Tyros range will look old fashioned and outdated. Dont worry, after a four year brake, since T5, it will blow you away.



Thank god you did not get a Marina :o Flamin rust buckets!! :o

The only great thing about Rover was   "we got a lot of sleep on Nightwork shifts"!!! ;D   "I can now get 25% discount on BMW'S"
Rover , that was the good old days!!" It was play time In there "!!    :o :P :-X :)
Things we got up to In there. ::)   Today we would of been sacked a million times"!!!    ::)

It was also equivlent to 28 years inside prison, so we had to amuse ourselves. :o The money was the best thing :)
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: Lloyd E on September 26, 2017, 04:17:13 AM
Lots of remarks, both good and bad.  You can't please everyone and no matter what the keyboard looks like
we still have those who don't like it.  I believe that this board will sell like hotcakes and will please the majority
of players.  This pre-guessing game is really quite silly !   Lloyd
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: voodoo on September 26, 2017, 04:38:30 AM
I don't see any dedicated buttons to turn style parts On and Off.  Too much dependency of the touch screen... not good.

You are right, the buttons below the screen are missing. But I think that they are replaced completely by on screen buttons. On the PSR-S the buttons only work after pressing "channel on/off". So there will be a similar function in the touch screen. I hope....
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: ugawoga on September 26, 2017, 04:40:53 AM
MR GENOS     get the T shirt now £7.99  send to USA ,Customs price  £120 8)
                                How would you like a personalized mug ::) :P Could be re-arranged  :o
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: stephenm52 on September 26, 2017, 05:07:57 AM
Lots of remarks, both good and bad.  You can't please everyone and no matter what the keyboard looks like
we still have those who don't like it.  I believe that this board will sell like hotcakes and will please the majority
of players.  This pre-guessing game is really quite silly !   Lloyd

Lloyd I agree.   The look of it resembles the Korg Pa4x, in my opinion looks like Yamaha may have taken a play from Korg and that is a good thing.
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: Enildo on September 26, 2017, 05:51:21 AM
I think it's more of a case of poor marketing.  Look how there are leaks every week...  coincidence?  Hardly.

And Yamaha do make mistakes.  This will not be the first time they got some things wrong.  Yamaha know better than to design a keyboard that forces everyone to use it in the same way.     :(    :(    :(

The beauty of the Tyros and current PSR S series is that we have options on not only how we construct our work flow, but how we choose to use the keyboard.

Example:  I do things not many others on this forum do... like create styles and Multi Pads and arrangements using up to 16 registrations.  And on the other hand I don't play oldies, do covers or entertain and have never touched certain features that do not serve my interests.



Joe H

I agree with you Joe!
When the yamaha launched the PSR 520/620 series a lot of people preferred the old PSR 510 because it could program.
But my opinion is that we have to wait and see how it will be.
The new always brings resistance from the old minds.
Maybe one day we'll be looking back and wondering how archaic was the way we played our old keyboards.

Enildo
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: Marcus on September 26, 2017, 06:27:41 AM
Personally, I see no resemblance between the Genos, korg or Technics except they are all black in panel color. What I see is a combination of the TOTL Tyros and a TOTL Yamaha synth models. Probably because that it what Yamaha did, combine taking the best unified concepts from an arranger and a synth and creating a new beast. It works for me, and could appreciate the tools and assets from each concept into my arranging, composing, sound creation and ultimate live performances. The sound quality and processing power should be mind-blowing to say the least.

Extremely excited. The rumored spec seem mostly legit. Mind-boggling with the potential based on those upgrades and specs. Can't wait to hear the beast and see it in action. Love Yamaha taking the leading role with each new product. Great input and knowledge from all in this forum. Greatly appreciated and enjoy very much.

Regards, Marcus 
 
(https://i.imgur.com/WmlF2Rz.jpg)
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: ugawoga on September 26, 2017, 07:51:31 AM
IT'S THE                     TECHNICS    KN2000      :o

If you take speaker grills away ,you have the Genos
B***R the floppy Disc
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: torben on September 26, 2017, 08:30:39 AM
Hi guys

Sorry if this is not unknown to you - I am a little lost at the moment being on holiday in Spain - but look and listen here:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ue5TP-kEr3o

Kind regards

Torben
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: maartenb on September 26, 2017, 08:31:34 AM
Orgaforum.


Maarten
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: voodoo on September 26, 2017, 08:35:52 AM
Orgaforum.

 ::)
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: usaraiya on September 26, 2017, 08:56:56 AM
In a few days, just a few days, all this speculation will come to a grinding halt, and then we will begin a new journey as to the virtues & pitfalls (real) of the mighty Genos! Really looking forward to it with baited breath!

 :)

Uday
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: frankmusik on September 26, 2017, 09:05:10 AM
Yes UDAY :-)

The G Show started already for the dealers all over the world. (Pic from maybe Bremen Show? I think In Front Roman Sterzik)
In the WEB on 2.October
In the local Shows for all customers 4.Nov.

So just days  :-)

greetings frank .. already played G it so Iīm cooler *gg*
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: valio7771 on September 26, 2017, 09:24:07 AM
I share your disappointment.  Looks like one arpeggiator... but we will have to see if the harmony Arp button leads to a Menu of something more substantial than the S970.   The arp can be assigned to R1, R2 or both.   The MX61 is bottom of the line Motif series and boasts 2 live arpeggiators at a price of $450.00 USD.

Lets hope there is a substantial increase in the number of arps on the Genos.  The S970 has only 163.   And the $450.00 MX keyboard comes with 999 arps.  This is why I bought a Motif Rack XS... I can play the 6033 arps on the  S970 R1 or R2 channel... probably could route it to Left Voice if I wanted to.

I also agree with your issue on center-detent pots vs. rotary encoders which are far superior.  The LED display will help I'm sure.  So we will have to wait and see if Yamaha incorporated encoder code for the 9 Faders.  This is also important because that kind of firmware code eliminates "jumps" in the current setting when we want to adjust a parameter.

One of my disappointments with the S970 is there should be a popup dialog appear on screen when adjusting the 2 Live Control knobs.  this would allow us to know the actual value of the parameter we are adjusting.  Also knob values saved in each registration.  These could be fixed with a firmware update... but no, Yamaha don't do that... they save it for the next model.

Joe H
I'm slightly disappointed that they went for potentiometers instead of rotary encoders. Also the disproportioned number of knobs VS sliders....WHY? Just make it 6 and 6, or 9 and 9.

It was about time, and in my opinion Yamaha prolonged way too much the implementation of the touch screen, it should have been available since T4 or even earlier, considering the competition has it even before the release of T4, so to me it was clear that the following model after the T5 will have touch screen, but damn those potentiometers...they aren't as practical as the rotary encoders and are less mechanically reliable too.

I know that asking for motorized sliders may be a bit much, but still, I believe it wouldn't have increased the price by huge amount, and having them in Genos would have been such a great thing. At least all those sliders and knobs are going to be assignable by the look of those pictures, the question now is how limited we're gonna be in therms of number of possible parameters that can be assigned on them, or will it be possible to have a fixed setting for each one of them, regardless of what's currently displayed on the screen.
Wonder what those 6 assignable buttons 'main idea' Yamaha think is gonna be?!
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: Kari V on September 26, 2017, 10:02:16 AM

So only a few days to wait before we (hopefully) hear whether something similar or near to this can be
achieved using the Genos:

Luis Fonsi - Despacito ft. Daddy Yankee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJQP7kiw5Fk

At least I noticed the reggaeton style there.

Compare this to the video made using two of the best arrangers currently:

Despacito (Luis Fonsi) - Burschi1977 Cover Tyros 5/PA4x
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pXNAio9dMU

Obviously there's room for improvement.
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: valio7771 on September 26, 2017, 11:44:19 AM
So only a few days to wait before we (hopefully) hear whether something similar or near to this can be
achieved using the Genos:

Luis Fonsi - Despacito ft. Daddy Yankee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJQP7kiw5Fk

At least I noticed the reggaeton style there.

Compare this to the video made using two of the best arrangers currently:

Despacito (Luis Fonsi) - Burschi1977 Cover Tyros 5/PA4x
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pXNAio9dMU

Obviously there's room for improvement.

Did you made that style, and can I have it to? Please :)
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: Kari V on September 26, 2017, 12:14:03 PM
Did you made that style, and can I have it to? Please :)

Well, you can have it by buying the Genos  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: Joe H on September 26, 2017, 12:28:25 PM
So only a few days to wait before we (hopefully) hear whether something similar or near to this can be
achieved using the Genos:

Luis Fonsi - Despacito ft. Daddy Yankee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJQP7kiw5Fk

At least I noticed the reggaeton style there.

Compare this to the video made using two of the best arrangers currently:

Despacito (Luis Fonsi) - Burschi1977 Cover Tyros 5/PA4x
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pXNAio9dMU

Obviously there's room for improvement.

Really nice sound and very well played.

 8)

Joe H
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: overover on September 26, 2017, 01:26:33 PM
@Kari V

Hi,

you can buy some "Reggaeton" Styles on Yamaha MusicSoft:


https://eu.yamahamusicsoft.com/style-files/btreggaeton-6

https://eu.yamahamusicsoft.com/style-files/corazon-pop-5

https://eu.yamahamusicsoft.com/style-files/straightreggaeton-6

https://eu.yamahamusicsoft.com/style-files/lazy-latin-5


Best Regards,
Chris
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: Kari V on September 26, 2017, 02:07:04 PM
@Kari V

Hi,

you can buy some "Reggaeton" Styles on Yamaha MusicSoft:


https://eu.yamahamusicsoft.com/style-files/btreggaeton-6

https://eu.yamahamusicsoft.com/style-files/corazon-pop-5

https://eu.yamahamusicsoft.com/style-files/straightreggaeton-6

https://eu.yamahamusicsoft.com/style-files/lazy-latin-5


Best Regards,
Chris

Thanks for the information.

However, I intend to buy the Genos first.  ;D

Let's see whether I have any money left after that.


Edit: I listened to the mp3 recording of those and they didn't sound too bad. However, no Genos version is available (yet).
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: CalUKGR on September 27, 2017, 01:10:10 AM
I like the new look - very professional, puts the Genos into the 'serious studio workstation' camp on looks alone. Now I've just got to hear this thing in action.
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: maartenb on September 27, 2017, 01:27:00 AM
I agree. The Genos looks great and professional!

Have you seen the left and right sides of the Genos? They are awesome! The sides are recessed, so from the side the Genos doesn't look massive at all. It seems like the black top just floats... Just wow!

(You can see this in the first "show" picture of this thread. You barely see the sides. This is by design!)


Maarten
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: kla4 on September 27, 2017, 02:04:08 AM
@ Maarten :

Better view on the Genos side(s).

(https://myalbum.com/photo/wXLkX1dIPc1q/360.jpg)

The rear connections now are located higher (easy to find) in the housing
Title: Re: New pictures
Post by: jimlaing on September 27, 2017, 11:16:36 AM
I like how the connections on the back of the Genos don't have a little "shelf" (plastic lip) above them, which the Tyros has.  It looks like it will be easier to see "where to plug your cables in" on the Genos. 

-Jim