I wonder how many people will go back to Tyros 5 after 1 year
Last year the Korg Pa4x was a big favourite.
‘Best keyboard ever,- last keyboard I will ever buy,- got everything’ :)
Nearly everyone I know that bought a Korg Pa4x has sold them
Including the big players on synthzone
Couldn’t have been that good
I see many people struggling with Genos
Will they go back to the Wonderful T5
Only time will tell,
Pino
I wonder how many people will go back to Tyros 5 after 1 year
Last year the Korg Pa4x was a big favourite.
‘Best keyboard ever,- last keyboard I will ever buy,- got everything’ :)
Nearly everyone I know that bought a Korg Pa4x has sold them
Including the big players on synthzone
Couldn’t have been that good
I see many people struggling with Genos
Will they go back to the Wonderful T5
Only time will tell,
Pino
I doubt there will be many who decide to go backwards. When I got my CVP I also had some frustration with the differences to a PSR, but it settled down and I much prefer it.
I also think that this inferred assumption that is being made on almost every post that people who bought a Genos upgraded from T5 is probably wrong. Many will have upgraded from much earlier models, or competitive brands, or even that it might be their first real TOTL arranger. Seems to me that here have been far too many Genos bought for them to have mostly come from prior T5 owners.
Mike
Just and only because of that discussion I will not buy that Genos even if it could
fly , dance and / or prepare delicious meals………and its not a question of money !! ;D ;D ;D ;D
.... Not with introduction of the T3 not with the introduction of T4 and definitely
not with introduction of the lovely Tyros 5 .....
You're making a mistake.
Fred
I wonder how many people will go back to Tyros 5 after 1 year
Last year the Korg Pa4x was a big favourite.
‘Best keyboard ever,- last keyboard I will ever buy,- got everything’ :)
Nearly everyone I know that bought a Korg Pa4x has sold them
Including the big players on synthzone
Couldn’t have been that good
I see many people struggling with Genos
Will they go back to the Wonderful T5
Only time will tell,
Pino
You're making a mistake.VERY BIG mistake, Udo.
Hi Antonio,
Who says Genos is unfinished.
Pa4x is still an incrdible keyboard and i am still playing and loving it.
And so is the Genos, which is even better then the pa4x in many ways, but not all.
I have no clue why anyone would want to step back from Genos to T5?
It clearly sounds more alive then the Tyros 5
And on the few ocasions i played one, the interface felt quite intuitive.
And all your T5 performances and expansion packs still work on Genos.
The only reason i can think of to own a T5 imstead of a Genos is a financial one.
i think you should leave the Genos owners in peace and stop posting topics like thisHi. I'm afraid it was not my intention to say thanks for this post. My finger touched the 'Say Thanks' button accidentally.. got to be careful with these touch screens sometimes!! Anyhow, what people should/should not post doesn't concern me. ;)
i think you should leave the Genos owners in peace and stop posting topics like this
You guys here are technically minded and computer literate
3 of my 25 students have purchased Genos
None of them can hardly set the time on their mobile phones
They just had more money than sense
They had got used to Tyros ways
Now they regretted the purchase
Im not knocking Genos
It’s not for everyone
I’m not saying any more than that.
If they’re your students, why don’t you help them out with their Genos?
Fred
I definitely don't go back to Tyros 5. There are a lot of reasons I chose Genos, that I don't even want to think about "reversing" ;D ;D
Regards,
Vali
If they’re your students, why don’t you help them out with their Genos?
Fred
I am definitely over the hill at 83 so I may be wrong, but i am surprised at how emotional we can be about something like a keyboard, that will at best be with us for 10 years as most people want to have the latest technology. My father gave me his 1923 Steinway grand piano so it has soon been in the family for 100 years and as a fact it has not become obsolete like so much of what we have acquired during our life time. My children are over 50 and they have a very emotional connection with the Steinway, not because of its wonderful sound and fantastic touch but because when they were small we would sit under it when I read Winnie the Pooh for them. But why do people get upset because someone is pondering whether people might go back to Tyros ? I actually have a YAMAHA 5700 I bought in the last century, and it has some Styles that I consider have never been equaled. "You should leave the Genos owners in peace and stop posting topics like this" Can anyone explain to me what was wrong with the posting and what and whose peace is being disturbed ?
Im curious...........If someone never played a Tyros 5 or Genos........would one be any harder to learn than the other?? -charley
I agree with Fred.....Hi Mike. Completely off topic, I know, but why repeat the same post?
... (witness the popularity of the iPad).
Fred
... Seems like a good strategy if you can get away with it!
Snicker 740
Re; if you do not change to adapt, you will be left behind and have to live with the old.
I have 10 different keyboards, Yamaha, Ketron, Korg, Roland
I’ve just recorded this song on my oldest keyboard, PSR S910
https://app.box.com/s/383vr0pfyan3ddxtl0ollc74e7w28g5x
I know the Genos sounds brilliant but does the S910 sound very old?
Regards
Pino
Hi Mike. Completely off topic, I know, but why repeat the same post?Quote
Will
Just an error, must have iaccidentally touched post when I was doing a spell check
Mike
]Just an error, must have iaccidentally touched post when I was doing a spell checkAh, ok. I had noticed though that the first one contained a small typo (which had been corrected in the second one) and was going to point out that you could have used the 'Modify' button, then hit 'Save'. You could also delete the first one with the 'Remove' button.
The guys a nutter!! ;DHi John. Hmm, not sure that it's fair to call him a "nutter"! You see, Tyros 5 was (and still is) an awsome arranger for many people, and they might also refer to all you guys who (in their minds) have been complete nutters to part with such a huge sum of money for what they feel is such a small improvement. Believe it or not, there are some out there who feel that the Tyros 5 is just as good as the Genos any day, and that certain aspects of it even suits them better for what they do... but I certainly wouldn't say they're "nutters"! 😉
By the way John, my picture ain’t upside down.
I live near Lichfield.
Yes Genos is a great keyboard and is still selling very well. I don't know anyone who paid the full asking price when it first appeared which I think was round about £4300 in UK. If you do not have the speakers then it is cheaper also. Don't forget it can also go the other way and Yamaha usually do raise prices after a while.
Pretty sure we will not see a 61 note Genos but it only weighs 30 pounds so is lighter than Tyros.
It’s about playing music at the end of the day, isn’t it?I used to think this as well, but as I read the forum over the years, I realized that's it is not just about playing music - that is too narrow a definition. It is about enjoyment. Some people get just as much enjoyment out of playing around with the system features, DSPs, creating new sounds, making recordings..... The truth is that half decent players can make excellent music on almost any decent arranger (or for that matter keyboard) made in the last 15 years, and the not so good players will not magically get better just because they play a newer model. 99% of listeners will never know or care whether we are playing the latest and greatest, or have the DSPs tweaked perfectly, or the worlds best sound system. What they hear and enjoy is almost totally dependent on what tune we play and how well we play it.
...So why do we keep buying the latest and greatest? - because we enjoy it, because we get pleasure from owning it, because we like to play with new features ... and many other reasons besides simply being able to play music.:)
Lots of views and opinions but we all have to accept that each of us make choices for our own reasons. I’ve tried a Genos and I am back with my Tyros 5 and very happy with it. My issue had nothing to do with the sound nor operating system, I did try to resolve my issue but couldn’t.
I have to be able to read the music and the position of it is too far back/away, I purchased a mic stand and mounted a document holder on it but then I couldn’t see the fixed screen. I have brackets which fit into the holes on back of Tyros which raises and brings forward the music, can’t do that on Genos.
If anyone has any ideas how to overcome this with the paper music please let me know I’d be grateful, then I might be able to get a Genos
NUTTERS!! You must be if you do not like the Genos.Hi John. Wrong. Rolls-Royce have always had the reputation of being the manufacturers of ‘the best car in the world’. But even for those who can easily afford one (or even two or three), it doesn’t necessarily mean that a Rolls is to their taste... which is why they will opt for other brands of expensive cars. Same with keyboards of course, and everything else for that matter... the 'best in the world' (of anything) may not always be everyone's cup of tea! ;)
About 50years ago a keyboard of this quality would have cost you over £200,000 or perhaps moreAnd I’m sure there would have been a few “nutters” around even then too, and would have gone and bought one!! Just joking! ;D ;D
I've tried a Genos and I can accurately say that the Music stand is too far away for me and not much different to the Tyros without the extension brackets.
Regards
Rog
Hi,
Anybody thinking of buying an iPad Pro at the moment, read any Apple information website. Seems a lot of rumers about that Apple will be updating them so that they will be similar to the iPhone x in June. Perhaps even a cheaper iPad, plus a new lower price iPhone X as the one out now isn't selling well.
Oldden
Tyros 5 go back to!!
The guys a nutter!! ;D
Genos is an unbelievable Instrument. You can shape almost everything.
It has take me some time to get used to the Genos.
Once you get the right can opener you are steaming ahead :o
Question for Grey Fox-----------------"are you Australian"??????????????
All the best
John
What precisely is a nutter, anyway? :o :P ;D
What precisely is a nutter, anyway?Try this...
And here I thought sliders are what you ordered with a beer for a quick and easy lunch.Well, I didn't know that one... so looked it up:
I’m already playing Genos styles on all my keyboards.
I’ve given Yamaha over $20,000 of my money in the past 10 years
I think they should send me 4 or 5 free styles every month
And a Yamaha cap every Christmas. lol
5 keyboards, 2 speaker systems and a Mixer
I think it is a sad state of affairs when people cannot have open and
frank discussions about the Pros and Cons of a keyboard...
... But something has changed in a profound way...
... It is my understanding that any member is free to post their thoughts, questions,
and concerns here.
Agreeing to disagree on issues in a civil and polite manner has always been the
adult way of doing things.
Please let's go back to the days when civility was the order of the day.
Best Regards.
Pianoman.
Thank you for your comments.
;)
Joe H
"Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5"
...and nobody sales his Genos :(
That makes the Genos owners so unfriendly...
I think it is a sad state of affairs when people cannot have open and frank discussions about the Pros and Cons of a keyboard.
.......Vehemently defensive responses like " you'll never make friends here" or "leave Genos owners in peace" ..... are not a healthy attitude.....
Pianoman.
I notice three major improvements on the Genos over the T5:
- Far better pianos
- Revo drums
- Overall sound processing
THANKS for an overdue excellent reflective post. But first a little off topic: I went to YouTube and realized what a great performer you are. I looked and listened to What a Wonderful World several times and having enjoyed Louis Armstrong live many times during a long life I was overwhelmed by how well you could impersonate him not only vocally, also in his habitus. He was not only a great musician but had an unrivaled charm on stage. I wonder whether you used the "Mary to Bob setting" for the vocal (I do for many of Armstrong's songs) but it does not sound half as authentic as you do. Purists tell me I should not try to imitate neither Louis Armstrong nor Nat King Cole, but it is tempting with to-days technology.
Cheers
Kaarlo
Many music related circles here do not have a very high opinion of Arranger keyboards, or arranger players in general. We are not considered "real musicians" and our music is often called "canned" music. So I try to keep my use of technology at an absolute minimum, turning off as many accompaniment tracks as necessary when playing.Hi Abby. I totally agree! In fact, I have noticed a decline in my playing ability over the years... and that’s because all the modern technology has turned me into a lazy player! When I first got started (mid 1970s), it was on electronic organs, Hammond, Gulbransen, Kawai etc., none if which had any of today’s sophisticated auto-accompaniment tracks... so things like intros and endings were things you very often had to come up with yourself... and actually play them instead of hitting a button and listen to a recording as we now do!
But it seems to me that some folks want the Genos to be something it isn’t and never will be. Those folks should look at buying something different than Genos.
😊
Interesting thread.
Re: Lee’s comment about new players, I’m one. I’m a guitar player who has had a great time playing arranger...though I’m not the best player. But I wouldn’t have tried to learn keyboard at all starting out in my 60’s if it hadn’t been for Yamaha arrangers.
To those of you who think Yamaha missed the boat building Genos from the ground up....
If you want something totally different...buy something different. I bought a PA4X, very different from Yamaha...new OS to learn and all. However, as great as the PA4X is, I missed the voices and styles of Yamaha....also missed the registration system.
Yamaha made just enough changes in Genos that got me to switch back. Things like a touch screen, lighter keyboard, playlist, assignable knobs and sliders, a very upgradeable OS...well the list goes on.
Yamaha, IMHO, did the Genos in a very smart way, making huge changes in the structure of the board yet keeping those things that brought me back to Yamaha.
Like I said, if you want something different...buy something different. Get a Korg PA4X, Roland arranger, or buy a stage piano and add a Ketron SD40 or Roland BK 9(I think that’s what it’s called).
I’m not suggesting that those posting shouldn’t offer constructive suggestions, that’s helpful.
But it seems to me that some folks want the Genos to be something it isn’t and never will be. Those folks should look at buying something different than Genos.
😊For many years I used the Tyros 1 and 3, I was looking for a lighter keyboard. I got a Ketron Audya 4 Arranger Modula, midied it with a Yamaha keyboard. The styles of the Audya are good the voices are OK, now it takes longer to set-up, having back problem it is not easy to carry more items. I was reading about GENOS the new arranger. does anyone knows a link where I can hear all the styles of this new arranger?
Thank you
Gino
... These modern arrangers may make some of us sound better than we did years ago, but it's not necessarily due to our playing ability as a lot of it is down to all that pre-recorded stuff jangling away inside the keyboard! Proper/”real musicians” are those who can turn all of that stuff off... and still sound amazing! ;)
Best regards,
Will49
If they are starting from scratch, I think the Genos is easier to learn, because it has a touch screen, which most people find more intuitive (witness the popularity of the iPad).Fred