17 Slow-Fast Time of Rotor
18 Fast-Slow Time of Rotor
Genos: ROTARY SPEAKER1
MODX: ROTARY SPEAKER1
Woofer Speed Slow 40.2rpm 0.67Hz
Horn Speed Slow 48.0rpm 0.80Hz
Woofer Speed Fast 333.0rpm 5.55Hz
Horn Speed Fast 363.6rpm 6.06Hz
Slow-Fast Time of Woofer 47
Slow-Fast Time of Horn 20
Drive Low 17
Drive High 42
Low/High Balance L=H
EQ Low Frequency 100Hz
EQ Low Gain -2dB
EQ High Frequency 14kHz
EQ High Gain -12dB
Mic L-R Angle 162deg
Thanks for those settings PJ. I just tried them, I have never changed effects settings before, so how do I save it to memory,and can it be made the same for all organs?
Niceonetidy;This is correct. I did the same thing except I edited the Leslie settings first. The rotary speed now has a slower acceleration rate, just like the real thing. I have no idea why a company as brilliant as Yamaha thinks that a Leslie speaker is "instant on" and "instant off!" In the real world, that would burn out the motor and likely rip the horn from its mountings!!
Here is how I save fast/ slow rotary in a registration and it works for me.
I have a pedal to operate the fast. Slow.
When setting up your registration, go to utility. When the page opens, chose assignable and assign which ever pedal you want to fast / slow rotary. Then when you save your registration it will be included.
Frank
Ps I also set my mike and harmony in registrations as well.
Hi... I didn't see a thread on this particular topic, so hopefully I'm not duplicating something else someone already wrote. I've been experimenting with the IK Multimedia Hammond app for iPad, called B-3X. It is an awesome sounding Hammond organ app! One thing I noticed is that when I engage the Leslie (they simulate real Leslie speakers) on IK's app, it sounds great. When I use the "Real Rotary" effect on Genos, it does not sound anywhere near as good. Mainly, the real Hammond with Leslie is slower than the default settings for Genos "Real Rotary", and the real stuff is a bit "deeper" in its effect than the default settings for "Real Rotary". And the 'character' of the Leslie effect is just quite different in ways that I can't describe (IK's app vs. Genos Real Rotary).
I'm using this setup to create my own Real Rotary settings that (I hope) will more closely mimic what Hammond sanctions as a real Hammond with a real Leslie, given that the IK app is 'sanctioned' by the actual Hammond company.
As much as I've enjoyed Yamaha arranger workstation keyboards, one weakness I feel they have is in the Hammond/Drawbar/B3 area; they sound "OK" but not up-to-par with some better drawbar/B3 emulations out there.
Jim
There is a thread on this Hammond app already but it hasn't gotten much attention. I've been experimenting with it as well, using an external midi keyboard controller.
I haven't found a way to play it via midi using the Genos as a controller without triggering an internal Genos sound along with it. Perhaps I've overlooked the obvious here?
On Genos there is a voice named init (i beleive its called, not behind my keys) there is no sound attached to this voice..
I have added it to my favorites... use it a lot in combination with my ipad
Any idea how to access this Init voice?
There is a thread on this Hammond app already but it hasn't gotten much attention. I've been experimenting with it as well, using an external midi keyboard controller.
I haven't found a way to play it via midi using the Genos as a controller without triggering an internal Genos sound along with it. Perhaps I've overlooked the obvious here?
Hi Stuart,
I have put the first thread in the Genos+iPad section, where it has been overseen. ;)
The simplest way to mute the internal sound is to use the setting "local off". It is part of the midi setup and it is made just for this case: mute internal sound when playing external.
I have routed my Right 3 Part to external midi port and set Right 3 to "local off". Then we can use all controls and sliders for the external device:
* volume slider (cc7) controls overall volume of B-3X
* volume pedal (cc11) controls organ volume before effect, so you can ciontrol depth of overdrive (like for a real B3)
* sustain pedal (cc64) or modulation stick (cc1) can be used to change rotary speed
Many other controls like pan, reverb, chorus etc. can be used to control any parameter on the iPad just by midi learn.
When I have time I will search a possible configuration for the 9 sliders to control the draw bars of the B-3X. I think it is possible.
Uli
Hi Stuart,
I have put the first thread in the Genos+iPad section, where it has been overseen. ;)
The simplest way to mute the internal sound is to use the setting "local off". It is part of the midi setup and it is made just for this case: mute internal sound when playing external.
I have routed my Right 3 Part to external midi port and set Right 3 to "local off". Then we can use all controls and sliders for the external device:
* volume slider (cc7) controls overall volume of B-3X
* volume pedal (cc11) controls organ volume before effect, so you can ciontrol depth of overdrive (like for a real B3)
* sustain pedal (cc64) or modulation stick (cc1) can be used to change rotary speed
Many other controls like pan, reverb, chorus etc. can be used to control any parameter on the iPad just by midi learn.
When I have time I will search a possible configuration for the 9 sliders to control the draw bars of the B-3X. I think it is possible.
Uli
Stuart,
Thank you for testing my proposal. ;)
Your comments are completely right. I have been thinking about the same question.
To my knowledge there is no way to save midi setup to registration.
The main thing that we cannot save is the setting for Part 3 local on/off.
The other midi settings can be permanent for my taste. Always sending Right 3 to Midi Port Channel 1 does not disturb my otherwise.
But we can save the complete set of midi assignments for the live control sliders to a registration.
I think that is not so bad.
With V2.0 we even can save that the Slider Assign Type 2 is active when recalling the registration, so the draw bars are active immediately.
Uli
One option that occurs to me (suggested by another member) is to use a blank voice for R3 when you want to use it strictly for MIDI control. This can be created in YEM, imported and selected via registration as needed.
Stuart,
yes exactly, this is the way that I would go. I have made some dummy voice files that can be put on USB. They do a program change but don't have sound. So they are perfect for switching programs on an external sound generator (with names displayed on Genos) and at the same time muting the sound generation for this part on Genos. Or using the YEM, as you described, is also a perfect solution including voice names.
Uli
The YC61 has landed. Organ nuts seem crazy about it.
The YC61 looks so nice but lack of any aftertouch is dealbreaker for me.
I avoid Real Rotor like the plague! I think the helicopter comparison in an earlier post is quite apt.
If you understand how the Leslie crossover affects the tone between treble and bass, and how the rotors in a real Leslie spin, then you can adjust the parameters in Dual Rotor Bright to get a very passable Leslie sound.
Is that a feasible prospect ? Is there anyway they could update the current Genos with the new technology or would that be a 'no go' as new hardware would be required ?
I wonder how Yamaha generates the VA in their Electones?
If they have a separate core for that.
I would have guessed Electones and Tyror/Genos shared a lot.
Hi KeyboardByBiggs,
The fact that the Genos flutes improve extensively through an external rotary is an encouraging fact. For me, maybe the addition of a vent would suffice. I'll check with Korg to see what the implications are of adding something like that to improve the general flute sounds.
Thank you for the advice.
Chris