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Genos (12 Boards) => Genos Styles/OTS/Multi Pads => Topic started by: Ron on April 23, 2024, 02:44:44 PM
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I find that the limiting factor with Yamaha keyboards is that the stock styles do not keep up with modern music. More styles are added with every new model release but the content still tends to favour old and mostly favourites from yesteryear. How is Yamaha going to persuade young players to purchase a keyboard on which most of the styles relate to tunes that they do not even know? To be fair, the majority of modern pop music is unplayable to most people but how can a young up and coming musician be expected to buy an expensive “ band in a box” keyboard which does not cater for modern tastes. This does not affect me or most of the players that I know as we are all deeply rooted in the music of years gone by and I only have a Tyros 3 but still manage to find built in styles for the sort of music I like to play. It is possible to create one’s own styles but this needs knowledge and experience which would not automatically be available to most players. Styles can also be bought or downloaded from various forums etc but if I was now starting from scratch I would choose a keyboard which was not classed as a work station but meant to be played as a musical instrument. No styles available if using this route but if playing in a band, as I used to do, then built in styles are not needed. Any thoughts on this topic?
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I am not sure what you are calling music of today.
If it is hip hop ... I think that music is all one chord songs with just different drum patterns changing during the song.
Pop music is just repeating the same lyric line 3 or more times in a row, add one verse and repeat until you have a 3 to 4 minute vocal take.
With today's country music you can use your 26 country styles and steal parts from your Pop&Rock, R&B and Ballad styles to make styles to fit what they are calling today's country music.
All the parts are contained in the styles, you just need to move stuff around to make styles for what ever you want. ;D
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Why do retirement homes not have hip hop playing on the background music, or a video games gallery. If they did they might attract a lot more young people to stay there😏
Yamaha know the market for these instruments. As they know the market for all the instruments they sell.
Mike
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I mentioned this in an earlier thread
In Genos 2 there were basically NO new Dance styles BUT a lot of new styles from the 80's
So yes Yamaha know the age range they are targeting
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Why do retirement homes not have hip hop playing on the background music, or a video games gallery. If they did they might attract a lot more young people to stay there😏
Yamaha know the market for these instruments. As they know the market for all the instruments they sell.
Mike
As a registered carer, I think as you get older, and your joints start to give out, your eyesight starts to deteriorate, and your memory starts to fade, ANY music is very welcome.
You won't be HIP HOPPING anywhere my friend.
It's called Old Age!
Keith
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I find Yamaha Keyboards have there fair share of head banging styles Plus the DJ ones that are suitable for todays so called music.
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Ron,
I don't think young people have $5500 to spend on a keyboard and besides that there is not too much new music out there worthy of it's on Style.
I am still holding off on the Genos 2, I will likely make my move in the fall as I normally wait a year after the release of a new keyboard to see popular opinion and until they get the bugs worked out. Also the price will come down a bit. This strategy has worked for the last twenty years.
Rick D.
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We have been lucky with Genos2 No real bugs and have only had one update so I am well pleased with mine.
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Why do retirement homes not have hip hop playing on the background music, or a video games gallery. If they did they might attract a lot more young people to stay there😏
Yamaha know the market for these instruments. As they know the market for all the instruments they sell.
Mike
Mike is right on. EDM, hip hop, etc. are an afterthought on Genos/PSR. The few styles are there in case a performer gets a request at a wedding reception or whatever.
Yamaha makes instruments which are targeted at contemporary genres -- the Montage/MODX synths and now the SEQTRAK groove box. The SEQTRAK is styled like the popular Teenage Engineering products and is teen-to-twenties affordable: $399 USD (MAP/street). The workflow and companion app support the "beat-making" production process.
As to musical genres, I'm not about to yell "Get off of my lawn" at anybody. ;D
Peace and playing -- pj
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BTW, if anyone wants additional hip-hop or whatever DJ styles, I converted DJX-II patterns to DJ styles:
https://sandsoftwaresound.net/free-djx-ii-styles-version-2/
Download 'em. They're free.
All the best -- pj
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BTW, if anyone wants additional hip-hop or whatever DJ styles, I converted DJX-II patterns to DJ styles:
https://sandsoftwaresound.net/free-djx-ii-styles-version-2/
Download 'em. They're free.
All the best -- pj
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Jørgen
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Hi
Link does not work here---
Jørgen
I have no problems with the link.
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When go to the web site page and I click on the “Click on this link to download the ZIP file.”
In the download ICON there is a message that shows up and reads:
File not downloaded: Potential Security Risk. (in RED lettering)
BUT the file does download. ;D
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Hi
Link does not work here---
Jørgen
Hi Jørgen,
This is a "http://..." link (maybe a typo). Just right-click to copy the link address, paste it into your browser's address bar and change the protocol "http://..." to "https://...". Then the download shoud work.
Best regards,
Chris
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This is a "http://..." link (maybe a typo). Just right-click to copy the link address, paste it into your browser's address bar and change the protocol "http://..." to "https://...". Then the download shoud work.
Chris is correct -- thanks, Chris!
Grrrrr. >:( :-[ My site is riddled with links to older content and Wordpress doesn't automatically update such links to "https://" .
I changed the link to the ZIP file to begin with "https://". Please test the new link and let me know if there are still issues.
Sorry for the bother, but browsers have gotten a lot pickier since I first posted this content.
All the best -- pj
P.S. Thanks for visiting the site and reporting issues!
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You have it fixed up perfect now. No issues at all. ;D
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Sorry for the bother, but browsers have gotten a lot pickier since I first posted this content.
All the best -- pj
P.S. Thanks for visiting the site and reporting issues!
Thanks for the explanation and the fix.
Should have figured it myself...
Regards
Jørgen
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Thanks guys for hijacking my post into a completely different topic.
Hip-hop is so called ultra modern music and is not what I was referring to in my post. Yamaha marketing and development is not trying to capture young musicians into purchasing a Genos 2.
When was the last time you saw a Genos being played in a modern music group? We are all prisoners of the “style “ system and cannot play certain tunes unless there is a matching style. This was the point I was trying to make about Yamaha not being up to date with their latest keyboards. How many owners use this particular keyboard to play in a band unless using it simply as a synth to add extra instruments to the overall band sound. It does suit people like myself as a home player and also those that play as a self contained music entertainer, either with vocals or not, for care centres, retiral homes etc. But we are all getting older. How will Yamaha maintain a market share of keyboards unless they modernise the scope of their popular machines to try and attract younger customers who have never even heard most of the material that we all are currently playing. Personally, I have played a few more modern tunes but found that most did not appreciate my efforts, mainly due to them never listening to modern music.
So, I must accept the status quo and leave the situation as it now stands. But surely food for thought for the future?
I should add that this is my own personal view on the current status of Yamaha arranger keyboards and is no way meant to be confrontational as I am more than satisfied with my dated Tyros 3.
Ron
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A while ago I was speaking with someone who has some involvement with developing content for the Yamaha arrangers. He said that the preset styles, etc, tend to reflect music up to about 20-30 years ago, since this is the music that the target market is most likely to be comfortable with. And I think that's generally true.
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You can get all these keyboards to play anything you want. The styles are just the BUILDING BLOCKS you can use to create with. Of course if you have more money than time you can purchase your styles from vendors on the internet.
Here are all the songs I play at my Senior Center gigs that came out since 2010:
Song Title Year
Tequila Little Time 21
One Margarita 20
Beer Can't Fix 20
Mr. Lonely 19
1, 2, Many 19
Beer Never Broke My Heart 19
Every Little Honky Tonk Bar 19
Millionaire 18
Must Be the Whiskey 18
Don't Let the Old Man In 18
Down to the Honky Tonk 18
I'll Name the Dogs 17
Drinking Problem 17
Outta Style 16
Head Over Boots 16
Blue Ain't Your Color 16
Burn Out 16
Sangria 15
Tennessee Whiskey 15
Buscuits 15
Come A Little Bit Closer 15
Meanwhile Back at Mama's 14
My Eyes 14
Neon Light 14
Southern Girl 13
From Here to the Moon and Back 13
All Over the Road 13
Boys Round Here 13
Death of a Single Man 13
Southern Comfort Zone 12
This Ole Boy 12
Time Is Love 12
Wagon Wheel 12
Lovin' You Is Fun 12
Give It All We Got Tonight 12
Who Are You When I'm Not Looking 11
Kiss Me or Not 11
Love Done Gone 11
Red Solo Cup 11
Honey Bee 11
Drink In My Hand 11
Why Don't We Just Dance 10
Pretty Good At Drinkin' Beer 10
A Little More Country Than That 10
I'd do more newer songs if they would record decent Country Music. It's not the keyboard that is the PROBLEM ... it's the MUSIC INDUSTRY. ;)
Drake
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hi Ron,
I agree with what you say, however here you contradict yourself a little:
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How will Yamaha maintain a market share of keyboards unless they modernise the scope of their popular machines to try and attract younger customers...
...Personally, I have played a few more modern tunes but found that most did not appreciate my efforts, mainly due to them never listening to modern music...
-so why would Yamaha even bother with "modern" music/styles, if most (our listeners) don't appreciate it?
I think, that even if there would be content/styles for hip-hop (or whatever "modern" music) on keyboard, then that wouldn't change a thing... because we, one-man-band keyboard players, don't have such audience: who would listen to our playing? Who would dance on our music?
Let's say we play at some party (audience age is irrelevant) and we wish to move people to start dancing. In this case we will most probably have more success by playing "good old" Wooly Bully (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTZYI5NR8wc) than with some hip-hop or techno music.
We had some "modern" music in past 20-30 years and most is already forgotten... and those who are listening/dancing to it right now, will forget it as well as they become just a bit older ...let's say over 25 :)
That is, I'm quite happy with capability of current keyboards. Ok, I wish that preset styles would be improved.. for example, it's so boring listening bass guitar playing only C-G notes.
Just my opinion,
Bogdan
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Here is even me playing some of these songs live with my keyboard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGTQ_9MilKk&list=PLOyNsYk1KSHi9fWiMRoA1ZsF-VvI2plDC
You can compare how close the styles is to the record. I just need to sing the songs in MY KEY and not the KEY of the song's artist.
Other than that it's so close that YOU TUBE sends me a notice that this is copyrighted material but the artist allows usage on YOU TUBE. 8)
Drake
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The interesting discussion here involves modern
songs. But arrangers can also be used for orchestral
music production and performance. That includes,
some Classical music (usually .light Classics) and
many movie themes. Both.of these are not on the
latest pop charts, but have stood the test of time.
I think arrangers have great educational potential
in teaching the structures harmonies and rhythms of
all types of music, from the latest pop to the Classics and.
movies. There is so much.musiic built-in to the arranger
styles if one uses them as a learning and teaching tool by listening and analyzing (and then playing, even for fun).⁰