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Genos Styles/OTS/Multi Pads / Re: How to find the melody?
« Last post by andyg on Today at 11:40:58 AM »

Keep in mind you can TRANSPOSE the "chords" to every song you want to play into the key of C. By doing so, you will only need to LEARN one key to play on your keyboard (the key of C). That way you can memorize the scale quickly and generally you won't be using the black keys at all.


With due respect to Drake, the musician and especially the music teacher inside me are both screaming "Please don't do this!"

Playing in most keys is easy enough but, as with all things musical, you'll have to put in some effort to do some learning and practice. Learn the simple keys and scales - C, G and F to start with, then go further to A and D, Bb and Eb. That will cover an awful lot of material and you'll find that books published for arranger keyboard will stick to easy keys most of the time anyway.

The transposer can be very useful, I'll sometimes use it to add a 'lift' to the final verse or chorus of a piece. And it's handy when your sheet music is in one key and the version you have on CD or whatever is in another!

But it has some limitations and things can go awry when you start moving up or down too far. If the piece is in F and you want to play it in C, you can transpose up 5 semitones or down 7. The melody can easily be moved up or down an octave to sound good, but the chords can be very muddy down 7 or a bit 'squeaky' up 5.
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Rich. Yes, Most Freestyles do work in my DGX670.
In fact all the Tyros 5 Styles and even early PSR3000 work very good.

The DGX670 Menu button pushing took awhile for me to get used to but I now I'm fine.
You can edit Styles but there is no option to alter OTS,s
I save my favorite voices in the RGTs with the Style unticked means I can play any selected style with any of my favorite Voice RGTs.

Past 50 years I have owned top end arrangers but the weighted key-bed on the DGX has been a game changer for me.
Had my DGX for 2 years and would not change it. Voice samples are very good and overall Excellent value.
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Has any DGX-670 owner had success using a freeplay style such as “Ethereal Movie” or “On Broadway” ?

I don’t own a 670 right now (considering it instead of a Genos2). I am aware from previous posts here that it does load SFF2 styles from SX and that SX600 styles possibly worked the best.  I was wondering if there was anything unusual about the freeplay style format that wouldn’t work well in the DGX?

Rich
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I think the confusion is with the newer keyboards that no longer have the MUSIC FINDER as my S950 has. It is a handy feature that Yamaha has done away with for some unknown reason.

With the SX keyboard you will be stuck with using the registration to call up your custom song styles. You might use Slot #1 to save the intro you will use for the song. Then use Slots #7 and #8 to hold your mic settings.

I dread getting the SX keyboard knowing the Music Finder is now missing from the keyboards. I may wind up simply putting my styes in 20 folders with 16 styles (songs) in each of them. Then just select the style I want and referred to my lead sheet as to how the song starts, with an intro or one of the mains. That way the registrations I would still only use for Mic settings and controlling the backup singers.

Hi Drake

You CAN actually have the Music Finder Database on your proposed new SX900.
It's just called PLAYLIST instead.

I've transferred all the Tyros models except T1, and also have several other TOTL keyboards on my regular memory stick.

You basically just put the relevant MFD file on a stick, and then put that into the SX. It then advises you that you can convert the file to a playlist.

Each mfd file takes 5/6 minutes to convert, but once done you then simply press the new (say T5) file,  followed by your playlist button, and it's all there just as before.

The ONLY thing you can't do, unlike the older models, is scroll through the list alphabetically except by using the Up Down buttons which can be a bit tiresome. There's no quick A_Z search function.

I have about 15 Playlists including your S950, G1 and G2 on my SX700. All play well.

Why so many.... Well because a lot of older songs are not on newer keyboards.

I'm sure you will  really like your SX when you get it.

MFD files are here to save you a search.

https://psrtutorial.com/sty/OF/musicfinder.html

Keith.
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I think the confusion is with the newer keyboards that no longer have the MUSIC FINDER as my S950 has. It is a handy feature that Yamaha has done away with for some unknown reason.

With the SX keyboard you will be stuck with using the registration to call up your custom song styles. You might use Slot #1 to save the intro you will use for the song. Then use Slots #7 and #8 to hold your mic settings.

I dread getting the SX keyboard knowing the Music Finder is now missing from the keyboards. I may wind up simply putting my styes in 20 folders with 16 styles (songs) in each of them. Then just select the style I want and referred to my lead sheet as to how the song starts, with an intro or one of the mains. That way the registrations I would still only use for Mic settings and controlling the backup singers.   
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Hello Chris

I never use a registration to control how the style is setup to sound. I always setup each STYLE so I can perform it using just the style and not a button on the registration. 

I use a registration to control the reverb mic settings and vocal harmony backup singers only.

Some keyboard players use the registration to setup up how the voices will sound in their styles. They sometimes have issues when moving on to the next keyboard or if they move the registration's location or the styles to another location, things get messed up and confusing at times. 

I take the time to setup each of the parts used in the style, the OTS and balance all the Mains of the style together for the perfect sound that I want to come out of my keyboard every time I perform the song.

For example when I set in at an open mic bar, I can simply plug in my keyboard to their PA system and tell them the turn off all the reverb in the channel I am plug into.

When I get a new keyboard, my styles will sound perfect the first time and every time I use them. No headaches, no problems, no worries.
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Hi Drake,
I am just about to get either a used genos or more likely a SX900 but don't have it yet so I misunderstood your last post about setting up different harmony settings.  Your first sentence said, "I also use the registration method".  Your last sentence said, "I never use a registration for that task...".  I know you have a lot of experience performing and I hope to get into it one day.  I understand what you said about having different registrations with different mike/reverb settings.  I just got confused about what you meant at the end about taking the time to set up custom styles and not letting registrations do that.

Thanks,
Chris
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No, the status of the Freeze button cannot be saved in Registrations.

The purpose of the Freeze function is that the parameter group(s) previously set in the Freeze setting display (press "Direct Access > Freeze") can no longer be changed by Registrations, OTS or MIDI files. However, you can easily edit your registrations so that certain parameter groups are not changed when a registration is called up.

For example, if you don't want a particular registration to switch the current style, just re-memorize each registration button "back to itself", but with the Style box unticked (and at least with the Voice and Keyboard Harmony boxes ticked). Then re-save the bank.

Many thanks Chris for your help, this is exactly the solution I needed...!
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You probably want Parameter Lock. Take a look into that.

Cheers,
Fred
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Dear Rick,

I play my Genos (volume knob at 3/4) with a pair of HS8 (volume at 1/2), placed on Konig&Meyer stands set at hears height, in my living room, which is 750 square feet large.

They sound PERFECTLY any frequencies, despite technical specifications. Don't need Subwoofer: low frequencies sound perfectly.

By connecting Genos directly to the HS8 (I have a Mackie mixer, but tested that is better without) you get a clear, not manipulated sound.

HS7, that I also tested, are Ok, but weak on low frequencies: the speaker diameter makes a big difference.

When I want/need to play less loud, just adjust Genos volume knob at 1/2, and I still get good sound.

Finally, IMHO HS8 have an excellent quality/price ratio, if compared to many equivalent powered monitors from other brands, that I tested.

Ciao,

Angelo
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