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PSR Keyboards (11 Boards) => PSR-SX900/SX700/SX600 => Topic started by: janamdo on February 01, 2021, 01:10:51 PM
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Like to see on my computer from my SX600 styles what sounds are assigned.
Is there such a styleeditor to get for windows 10 -64 bit ?
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Hi janamdo,
There are several good editors, I single out MixMaster and MagicStyleYA.
Watch the video and you will get information on how you can editidng Style on your computer.
https://youtu.be/PM3htJysPmQ (https://youtu.be/PM3htJysPmQ)
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Hi ckobu,
Thanks again
I am interested in what sounds are used from my SX600 keyboard in the acmp ?
Jan
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When the psr sx is properly connected to the computer, you hear all the sounds from the keyboard during processing.
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Do you have an SX600.
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When the psr sx is properly connected to the computer, you hear all the sounds from the keyboard during processing.
Thanks
I do want to use styles also in a composer, but after import them into the composer there is not the right sound assigning
So i am must figure this out
XG works is a candidate ..where to get
Got the SW1000 XG soundcard (useless in Windows 10 64 bit ) and XG works is included, but not with the update version
Like to have he updated version
Jan
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I saw in the second topic the “composer” you mention. You should know that older programs do not have instrument lists for newer keyboard models, such as your SX600.
Recording a song in a computer program (Cubase, Cakewalk ...) can be done well, but prior knowledge is required. Watch this video. The MIDI settings of the Genos and SX600 are the same.
https://youtu.be/vjqUzC4DqnI (https://youtu.be/vjqUzC4DqnI)
Watch the video, the installation and setup of XGWorks is described.
https://youtu.be/qkhny8l_niw (https://youtu.be/qkhny8l_niw)
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I saw in the second topic the “composer” you mention. You should know that older programs do not have instrument lists for newer keyboard models, such as your SX600.
Recording a song in a computer program (Cubase, Cakewalk ...) can be done well, but prior knowledge is required. Watch this video. The MIDI settings of the Genos and SX600 are the same.
https://youtu.be/vjqUzC4DqnI (https://youtu.be/vjqUzC4DqnI)
Thanks
Importing a Style .psr in Cubase goes very well and with the right sounds assigned from Halion Sonic
The same doesn't happen when i import a style in the composer and the sound assigning does not yet work for Halion Sonic there in the composer
The composer can work with different soundracks(module) , and some are made.
So i think i remove all soundracks and start with a HaLion 6 rack and/or Halion sonic rack
The XG works editor can be helpful too..were to get this program ?
Jan
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Hi Jan,
You can only enter a style in Cubas if you change the extension to MID. In this case, you lose all CASM data and Style will no longer work on the keyboard. Have you tried it?
The XGWorks download link is in the description of my video.
You continue as you wish but I think you will return to the methods I recommended.
regards, ckobu
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Thanks
I don't want to do editing a style in Cubase for now.
The style must be opened in the composer program with .sty format with the right sounds belonging to that style
The styles from SX600 can be used in the composerprogram as "phrases" ( it is then imported into the composer where it is converted into to this phrase format with help of musical ai )
regards
Jan
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Hi Jan,
make sure that the parameter "Voice Number" is set to "Show" on the SX600 in Menu > Utility > Config2. The Voice Selection display then shows the "Voice Number" (also called "Voice Address") next to each Voice.
"#MSB-LSB-PRG" means Bank Select MSB, Bank Select LSB and Yamaha Program Number. Please note that PRG is counted from 1 ... 128. To get the MIDI Program Change number (counted from 0 ... 127), you have to subtract the number 1 from the specified PRG value.
You can easily see the Voices used in the individual Parts of a Style in the SX600's Mixer display:
Load the desired Style, then call up the Mixer display and go to the "Style" tab. If you now select the Voice icon of a certain Part, the Voice Selection display is called up and you should see the name of the Voice used and the Voice number.
Best regards,
Chris
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Hi Chris
Thanks
A handy feature this option
I did perform your instructions and i can see that the acmp sound for a particular style is not a GM sound : example Solid Guitar2 is a Mega Voice- #008-002-004
I could use the soundmodule of SX600 or a replacement sound.
But it sounds the best with the original sounds i think ( disadvantage that it must be stand by all the time )
That's why the composer can't recognise this style sound as a GM sound, but when i should loading this in Cubase, the sounds are converted to GM sounds with Halion Sonic ?
Jan
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You can only enter a style in Cubas if you change the extension to MID. In this case, you lose all CASM data and Style will no longer work on the keyboard. Have you tried it?
No problem, because i using a style copy and changing the extension to midi idid not have tried
I tried to export the .psr style to midi in Cubase , but got still wrong soundassignments in the composer
I don't know how they do it in Cubase when a .psr style is imported, but it seems that cubase can made a replacemnt by the original style voices to Halion sonic replaxcement sounds. ( of course by programming)
This sound conversion programming is not to find in the composerprogram
regards
Jan
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Hi Chris
Thanks
A handy feature this option
I did perform your instructions and i can see that the acmp sound for a particular style is not a GM sound : example Solid Guitar2 is a Mega Voice- #008-002-004
I could use the soundmodule of SX600 or a replacement sound.
But it sounds the best with the original sounds i think ( disadvantage that it must be stand by all the time )
That's why the composer can't recognise this style sound as a GM sound, but when i should loading this in Cubase, the sounds are converted to GM sounds with Halion Sonic ? ...
Hi Jan,
you CANNOT simply replace a Mega Voice in a Style Part by a "non Mega Voice":
Mega Voices are special Voices that have several articulations or special (noise) effects which are called up depending on the programmed Velocity of the individual Note events in a Style. Please refer to the "Mega Voice List" in the SX600 Data List, pages 9 and 10.
You would have to edit the programmed note events of the respective Style channels that are assigned to a certain Style Part, e.g. deleting the so-called "effect notes" (e.g. strum noise, fret noise etc., above C6) in order to use a "normal" Voice in a Style Part programmed for a specific Mega Voice.
Best regards,
Chris
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Hi Jan,
it seems to me that you have completely strayed from the main title of the topic
Style editor for .psr style files
If you want to edit Style, you won’t easily make it with Cubase. I said why, CASM is being destroyed.
I see that you are worried about the voices, entering all the instruments is very simple.
https://youtu.be/Ry5e4zXg73o (https://youtu.be/Ry5e4zXg73o)
That's why there's no need to use Halion sonic because you don't need it at all to process the Style.
Finally, I'm not entirely sure what you actually want to achieve with your SX600?
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Hi Chris
To get the most out of the style quality in the composer is to use the original style sounds from SX600
But it means that the composer is connected with the soundmodule of SX600
In the composer sound rack can be stored 16 midi channels, so it's for two styles ( 8 sounds/style )
Its a rather small display on the SX600 and not easy to read the voice data there
Probably handier is to use a computer program to open style and do all editing behind the desk
best regards
Jan
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Hi Jan,
it seems to me that you have completely strayed from the main title of the topic
Style editor for .psr style files
If you want to edit Style, you won’t easily make it with Cubase. I said why, CASM is being destroyed.
I see that you are worried about the voices, entering all the instruments is very simple.
https://youtu.be/Ry5e4zXg73o (https://youtu.be/Ry5e4zXg73o)
That's why there's no need to use Halion sonic because you don't need it at all to process the Style.
Finally, I'm not entirely sure what you actually want to achieve with your SX600?
Hi ckobu
The idea is to use styles in a composer program with the right voices assigned.
A style editor is only used by me to see what sounds are assigned in a style
Don't know what more functionality a style editor has to offer, but once loaded a style in the composer there is not much i think i can further do with a styleditor.
I connect a style from SX600 with the SX600 soundmodule in the composer program that's i want to achieve
But that process goes slowly and it is as it is.
A soundrack in the composer has 16 midi channels,so i can use two styles/rack
One interesting style can do a lot in the composer as base for a song
Goal is to make a composer library of styles from SX600 connected with SX600
regards
Jan
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Hi Jan,
i think we have said enough about the "composer". Even if you want to use it, I can't help you more than I am.
regards, ckobu
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Hi Jan,
i think we have said enough about the "composer". Even if you want to use it, I can't help you more than I am.
regards, ckobu
Hi ckobu
Hopefully its clear now what i do want with a style from SX600 in another program.
Perhaps its also interesting to do some stylediting if a style is used by me in this other program to get a variation.
Could be that the next new coming sx700/900 is more interesting to do style editing then in SX600
Can i buy this keyboard in the future
But sitting behind the keyboard and do much style editing is not convienant, but i have to look closer to this styleconstructor in SX600.
A software style editor is easier, so thanks for making this video it explains more
best regards
Jan
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Got the idea that there are also banknumbers and patchnumbers (program numbers)
So for my device desription for a soundrack i can give a banknumber too
Maybe is to find this banknumbers in the datalist of SX600 ?
Note: the midi specifications of SX600 are the same as for the Genos keyboard (SX700/900 too?)
So maybe here on forum, has someone also used his keyboard for use as a external soundmodule.
Jan
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Hi Jan,
we are talking all the time about "Bank Numbers" here:
Each Voice Number consists of the values MSB , LSB and PRG (that are given for each Preset Voice in the Data List of the relevant model).
MSB is the abbreviation for "Most Significant Byte" and actually means "Bank Select MSB" here. (This is the same as "Control Change 0" or "CC 0" or "Ctrl 0" or "Controller 0".)
LSB is the abbreviation for "Least Significant Byte" and actually means "Bank Select LSB" here. (This is the same as "Control Change 32" or "CC 32" or "Ctrl 32" or "Controller 32".)
PRG is the Yamaha Program Number, counted 1 ... 128. The MIDI Program Change number (counted 0 ... 127) is calculated "PRG - 1".
To call up a certain Voice of the keyboard using an external MIDI controller (or computer) you have to send the MSB, LSB and PRG (either all three on the same time position, or (better) one after the other, i.e. at a distance of a few "ticks" between the individual events).
Most devices nowadays support the "MSB/LSB" method for Voice Bank selection. If you (in connection with a certain MIDI device or computer program) need "Bank Numbers" that consist of only one value, please read the following:
A "Bank Number" is defined by the formula "Bank Number = ( 128 * MSB ) + LSB" with the Bank Select values MSB and LSB of the Voice List of the keyboard manuals (Data List).
Examples:
MSB=0, LSB=112: Bank Number = 128*0 + 112 = 112
MSB=8, LSB=0: Bank Number = 128*8 + 0 = 1024
MSB=127, LSB=0: Bank Number = 128*127 + 0 = 16256
Hope this helps!
Best regards,
Chris
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Hi Chris
Thanks
Now i know how to get access to banks and programs !
How are the voices in SX600 structured?
The datalist gives for the voices : ms/lsb /patchnr (voicenumber)
Tried to make setup for the Piano & E.piano wit the first 3 sounds loaded in a soundrack and with the voicenumbers
Can imagine that there is more then one soundbank in SX600 ..i must find banknumbers in the datalist
Note
It seems that with the programnumber in the datalist as i read your post that it points to a bank
So SX600 supports as you described MSB/LSB method
Methode of (sound) selection) has some menuentries :
- Program only
- MSB + LSB
- MSB(CC0)
- LSB (CC32
- Program(MSB) +Program
- Plug- in preset(program
I used : MSB + LSB and program numbers are ranging from 1..128 ( starting not from 0)
Maybe i must for SX600 then something different as method of (sound) Selection ?
Its only loading a style and adding the sounds to it manual
There is no way i think of loading a style and getting automatically the right sounds are assigened ( would be fantastic)
best regards
Jan
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Hi
My software program "Style Revoicer" at http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/revsty/index.htm will read MSB LSB and Program numners in style files.
Furthermore you can change these 3 voice values and some other parameters in the program.
Regards
Jørgen
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Well it seems to be not possible to add 16 (midichannels) SX600 sounds in a external midi output rack
Can't select different midichannels in the rack and hear the assigned sounds.
There is only one sound to choose in the composer rack.
Probably the midi specification from SX600 does not fit with that from composer then.
The composer rack is not sending midi notes to all 16 midi channels with assigned SX600 sounds
So i must give up this setup and the only thing that i can do is asking about this to the developer of the composer
Jan
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Hi
My software program "Style Revoicer" at http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/revsty/index.htm will read MSB LSB and Program numners in style files.
Furthermore you can change these 3 voice values and some other parameters in the program.
Regards
Jørgen
Hi
Thanks
Could be interesting to use your program and know directly the used sounds
Problem i faced that i not can assign those stylesounds correct in my composerprogram to keyboard SX600
for listening
Best regards
Jan
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Searching further how to get the right setup
Synfire(composer) definately supports multiple channels when driving a midi device.
Its keyboard -digital 1 driver in external midi output rack with the right template on SX600.
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My software program "Style Revoicer" at http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/revsty/index.htm will read MSB LSB and Program numners in style files.
I opened a style in Style revoicer and do see 16 channels and styles are programmed on channel 9 to 16 and also on channel 2.. 7
Can't this easy relate to the converted midi from a style on the keyboard via quick recording.
This converted style into a midi is loaded into a composer
The composer gives also no information( msb/lsb/programnumber from the converted midi in the importscreen
Should be handier if can see what sounds are assigned(msb/lsb/programnumber) after i converted the style via quickrecording to a mid style on the SX600
Or using another program to view the content of a style, but easier perhaps by using the converted midi?
Jan
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The mixmaster could be a useful program maybe , but it supports not yet the SX600/700/900 keyboards
Gives a voice name[ msb lsb pc] , but not a handy display with one row of numbers
The channel view ..
By selecting the keyboardmodel you get the keyboard connected?
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Also first quick recording on SX600 from style is not handy too
Better is to load the whole style as .sty in composerprogram, then the whole style is visable, like in Cubase with styles sections.
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Recording a song in a computer program (Cubase, Cakewalk ...) can be done well, but prior knowledge is required. Watch this video. The MIDI settings of the Genos and SX600 are the same.
https://youtu.be/vjqUzC4DqnI (https://youtu.be/vjqUzC4DqnI)
Hi ckobu
That's fantastic to see the styles are recordable in DAW
But its a rather complex setup, but once understood i t could be a composingtool
Before i can do this setup in Cubase ?
Seems that sx600 is also capable to do this recording as you mentioned.
For a composerprogram i use only the style itself as buildingblocks
regards
Jan
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Hi janamdo,
There are several good editors, I single out MixMaster and MagicStyleYA.
Watch the video and you will get information on how you can editidng Style on your computer.
https://youtu.be/PM3htJysPmQ (https://youtu.be/PM3htJysPmQ)
Hi ckobu
Cubase 8.5 is not to use recording tool ( the latest one?) as i understand in the video
(that Cubase cannot record a yamaha style is probably marketing strategy)
Cakewalk seems to be a free DAW to download ? ..successor is Sonar DAW.
Could try to record styles with Cakewalk and if the steps are clear in your video perhaps i succeed.
But its not first priority now
I must see what sound are assigned in a style and to use mixmaster for that, it has not sx600 included.
Probably stylemagic will be do this sound information reading, but first look for a demo version.
regards
Jan
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Hi
My software program "Style Revoicer" at http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/revsty/index.htm will read MSB LSB and Program numners in style files.
Furthermore you can change these 3 voice values and some other parameters in the program.
Regards
Jørgen
Hi
Looked again to your program Style Revoicer and it seems to be very useful for seeing the sounds for a style.
Found only distracting the sounds on the channels 1 ..to
There are doubling sounds as i can see it now
Thanks again
best regards
Jan
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Hi Jan,
I recommend that you dig a little deeper into the details of the Yamaha Style File Format. I think then a lot will become clearer to you.
You can find information about this in addition to the Reference manuals for the various Yamaha keyboards (which can all be downloaded for free), e.g. also here:
>>> http://www.wierzba.homepage.t-online.de/stylefiles.htm
>>> http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/articles.htm
(See "Style Creation Course" and "Style Reference" here.)
A Yamaha Style file is basically a MIDI file and can contain up to 16 MIDI channels. The channels 9 ... 16 are the so called "Accompaniment channels" (also called "Destination channels" or "Target channels) that are assigned to the known Style Parts Rhythm1, Rhythm2, Bass, Chord1, Chrord2, Pad, Phrase1 and Phrase2. Only these channels/Parts are visible on the keyboard (e.g. in the Mixer or in the Style Creator).
In most cases, however, channels 1 ... 8 of a Style file also contain MIDI data. These are mostly alternative accompaniment patterns that are played depending on the Chord type being played. For this purpose, all possible channels (1 ... 16) are assigned to one of the 8 Accompaniment channels (9 ... 16) by the so-called "CASM" part of the Style file (and finally played via channels 9 ... 16).
By the way: If you play using a Style and record this as a MIDI file, you will have exactly that in the MIDI file what you PLAYED before. It is almost impossible to record ALL possibilities that a Style offers as a MIDI file: In addition to all Main Variations, you would also have to record all Intros, Endings and Fills/Breaks, in the most varied of chords and keys. Especially with the Fills/Breaks, the exact trigger time also plays a major role.
Of course, it doesn't do any harm to thoroughly test such things. But there is also the risk of getting bogged down or losing track of what you actually want to do.
In my opinion, you will achieve the best results if you choose a suitable Style for a certain song to be played, then play the song "normally" with this Style and record the whole thing with "MIDI Quick Recording" on the keyboard. (Minor mistakes are not a problem here.)
Then you transfer the recorded MIDI file to the computer via USB stick and import it into a suitable MIDI processing program (e.g. a DAW such as Cubase or Cakewalk, or MixMaster). The keyboard should be connected to the computer via (USB-)MIDI during the entire process, and the correct MIDI driver must be installed (with the SX600 this the Yamaha Steinberg USB Driver, but with e.g. SX700/900, PSR-S, Tyros5, Genos this is the Yamaha USB-MIDI Driver).
Important: A Style recorded as a MIDI file must be played back on the keyboard via the SONG Parts (MIDI Receive Port 1), i.e. NOT via the STYLE parts of the keyboard (which can be addressed via MIDI Receive Port 2)!
Best regards,
Chris
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Thanks
best regards
tyros5psr
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Hi Chris
Thanks for this
I must study this styles further
Enclosed a pic how a imported style shows up in stylesections and this is lost when i do quick recording.
regards
Jan
Note: the imported styles in the Composer are not good converted, so this is not working
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Recording a song in a computer program (Cubase, Cakewalk ...) can be done well, but prior knowledge is required. Watch this video. The MIDI settings of the Genos and SX600 are the same.
https://youtu.be/vjqUzC4DqnI (https://youtu.be/vjqUzC4DqnI)
Hi
The two files needed for recording a style into Cakewalk DAW
- StyleRecYamaha.cwt -> load in Cakewalk
- MIDISetupCakewalk.msu -> How to use this file ?
Like to record with the styles of keyboard PSR SX600 into Cakewalk
Jan
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These are midi settings, you put the file on USB and load in the keyboard.
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These are midi settings, you put the file on USB and load in the keyboard.
Hi
Thanks
I found it now how to load the midi configuration for SX600
Loading these two setupfiles and ready to record !
Jan
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Yes, i record a stylepart with success for sx600 :D
Only further handling to be studied
Jan
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CKOBU,
How to load this file ‘MIDISetupCakewalk.msu‘ in SX900 after saving in USB drive?
Thanks
Chax
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You open the MIDI settings on the keyboard and loading * .msu data. Click on All Part and you will understand.
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I am sorry I did not get ‘how to load the file in the KB’.Kindly give the steps as the file is in the pen drive( USB1).
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I put the wrong picture. I hope you succeed now.
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I think set up does not exist in SX900 as it does in Genos.Ps refer scr shot below.
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Hmmm
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Thanks
Grateful
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Hello all,
I know this is an old post and I do not see any recent activity but will ask anyway.
Is there a "real" style creator that works? I have tried the most popular but they all have major deficiencies. I do not mind paying so please advise.
Thank you all 🎹🎹🎹🎹
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Pages 18 to 30 of the REFERENCE Manual for the SX 700 and 900 explains the function of the inbuilt Style Creator.
You don't say what keyboard you have? That would be helpful.
You can download the manual here.
https://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/musical_instruments/keyboards/arranger_workstations/psr-sx700/downloads.html
There's also a programme called MixMaster.
Keith
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Hello all,
I know this is an old post and I do not see any recent activity but will ask anyway.
Is there a "real" style creator that works? I have tried the most popular but they all have major deficiencies. I do not mind paying so please advise.
Thank you all 🎹🎹🎹🎹
I, and many others, use Stylemagic YA from here ... https://www.midisoft.pl/en/