Topic: can anybody convert genos2 styles to sx-600, tyros2/3 or sx700?

[AdamRastrand1234]

Hello, I would really like to have genos 2 styles for psr keyboards, sx600, 700, tyros 2 3 or 4, that would be great, because I'm tired of most styles I have in my sx-600, I tested Drake's styles, genos2 especially jazz styles, the drums sounded very wrong, no reverb, some sounds were missing, they were simply "bad",  But, I understand if he's been working hard, but is Onasimus still active? But when do you think the next conversion will happen, first of all, why is there nothing
programs that can automate the process? Isn't it easy today, for example, if you compare data lists between different synths, and look through all the sound mappings and velosities, or something like that.

[Lacko]

You asked the same questions four month ago here https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,67850.msg512765.html#msg512765 and got very useful answers.

[pjd]

Hi Adam --

You're missing a bit of the human element: motivation and gear.

I've got a Genos. (Not trying to rattle my jewelry here.  ) In terms of voices and DSP units, the Genos is far beyond the PSR-SX600. Now, what would motivate me to convert G2 styles for the SX600? There probably are far more Genos or upper-end PSR-SX players on the Forum than SX600 players. (Just a casual observation over five plus years.) People are more highly motivated to convert for their own model.

Then, there is access. When I had a PSR-E series, I did some conversions to PSR-E, too. It's a lot easier having the less-capable target in hand. It is soooooo easy to miss some detail when testing a stripped-down style on an upper-end arranger.

So, you could make a really contribution to other SX600 players by converting the G2 styles to SX600. Just sayin'... 

All the best -- pj

[Oxford1035]

Best suggestion I can think of if you want Genos 2 styles, is to do what the rest of us have done and buy a Genos 2 😉

[rodrigo.b]

Best suggestion I can think of if you want Genos 2 styles, is to do what the rest of us have done and buy a Genos 2 😉

The Genos 2 is expensive, Have you ever thought that maybe not everyone can afford it? The reality of each country is different, even within the same countries and cities.

[Lacko]

The Genos 2 is expensive, Have you ever thought that maybe not everyone can afford it? The reality of each country is different, even within the same countries and cities.

I think it is not about price and money. It is about buyers thinking. If you buy small Fiat 500 car and are satisfied with it, is is OK. But if you want to change its interior for wedding limousine or tune its engine to get Formula 1 car, then it is, ehmmm ... you know...
Genos 2 styles will never sound the same on another keyboard. Maybe somehow similar, for somebody more, for another people less similar and for some people even completely bad.

[Divemaster]

Best suggestion I can think of if you want Genos 2 styles, is to do what the rest of us have done and buy a Genos 2 😉

That's a bit over simplistic.
Knowing the current world financial situation, and in the UK and many other countries, I doubt many people can afford to just splurge £6000 (G2 with speakers etc) on a home play instrument.
I decided on the Korg for that reason.

Keith

[BogdanH]

I think it is not about price and money. It is about buyers thinking...

That can only say someone who can afford either of these two keyboards (SX600 or Genos). Seriously, why would someone buy SX600 if he can easily afford SX900? Because it's 3kg lighter?
Yes, it is about price -especially if there's not enough money. I'm quite sure that the majority buy the best they can afford.

Bogdan

[Lacko]

I'm quite sure that the majority buy the best they can afford.

Bogdan

Yes. But why some of them are dreaming about getting voices and styles from much more expensive and capable keyboards? Therefore I wrote it is about their thinking.

[EileenL]

Wow £6000 for Genos2.  Most people I know only paid £4000 or less even Genos1 did not cost that much.

[Divemaster]

Wow £6000 for Genos2.  Most people I know only paid £4000 or less even Genos1 did not cost that much.

Hi Eileen

I was talking about the price when the G2 came out.

Thomann were about the cheapest at circa £4,500 and adding speakers, say the HS8 + stagepas added another £1250.
Don't forget a lot of players would have already had speakers or G1's to begin with, or traded in G1's.

There was the inevitable 'feeding frenzy' when the G2 came out, and I personally felt, and still do, that I got a better deal with my Korg Pa5X.
Horses for courses though. Both great arrangers.

It will always be the same though. If the Op wants top quality it costs.

Keith.

[Oxford1035]

The Genos 2 is expensive, Have you ever thought that maybe not everyone can afford it? The reality of each country is different, even within the same countries and cities.

Have you ever thought that ripping off styles to use on a cheaper keyboard isn’t fair on those who have forked lot a lot of money for the privilege of owning a superior instrument?

[p$manK32]

It’s not ripping off styles to use on a cheaper keyboard. That’s an odd viewpoint given that a big part of this website for example offers style conversions from newer to older models, which is all part of the Yamaha user and style ecosystem. There’s nothing inappropriate or unfair about it. And besides, styles alone aren’t the reason for the superiority of the newer models, rather the superiority is from the newer hardware, chassis & buttons, chips, voice samples, effects circuitry, memory etc. that all help make those styles shine. I’ve got all the G2 styles for my SX900 but they obviously sound and behave nowhere near as good as they do on G2.

[DrakeM]

For sure if you upgraded just for a couple hundred new styles, I think you over paid.

I got the styles working in my S950 as well and will pass them on to Joe to post and share next week (about 235 of the new G2 styles).

It is sort of a challenge to see how many can be converted and used in the older keyboards.

[rodrigo.b]

Have you ever thought that ripping off styles to use on a cheaper keyboard isn’t fair on those who have forked lot a lot of money for the privilege of owning a superior instrument?

I have a Pa5x, and I would have no problem sharing styles with those who have an "inferior" keyboard as you say. Not everyone has the same privileges, especially if the only dealer in the country raises prices.

[pjd]

Have you ever thought that ripping off styles to use on a cheaper keyboard isn’t fair on those who have forked lot a lot of money for the privilege of owning a superior instrument?

If the "cheaper keyboard" produced the same sound and playing experience as the "expensive keyboard", yeah, I'd be a little put out. 

After really coming to grips with Genos 1 and 2 styles and sound/effect engines, no. The Yamaha SX600 is a fine musical instrument in its price tier. However, it ain't a Genos. Nope.

Some style features are Genos 1 or 2 specific and the development cost should be borne by the Genos customer. I have Revo and Ambi drums in mind. The new Genos 1 and 2 Mega Voices have different key maps and require novel programming. That's why Genos 1 or 2 styles do not immediately playback in the same way on SX600, or 700/900 for that matter.

BTW, I applaud folks who do conversions, because doing it well is non-trivial.

All the best -- pj

[Amwilburn]

That's a bit over simplistic.
Knowing the current world financial situation, and in the UK and many other countries, I doubt many people can afford to just splurge £6000 (G2 with speakers etc) on a home play instrument.
I decided on the Korg for that reason.

Keith

I guess the UK is the UK; but in Canada (and presumably North America in general) it's slightly *less* for a G2 + GNSMS01 speaker set, than a PA5x76 + PAAS. And the GNSMS01 sounds miles better than the PAAS (I tested by routing the keyboards into each other's aux in) because of the odd lack of bass.

Not a big diffference, mind you. The G2 is $300 CDN more than the PA5x76, while the 'intended speaker set' Genos Speakers are $400 less than the PAAS.

Both work out to less than £4400, but with the Caveat that's before tax (UK has tax already baked in) so realistically more like £4844 tax in for G2 + speakers and £4908 tax in for Pa5x + speakers.

£6000 is over $10k canadian ($10,266)... Not even the Nord Stage 4 costs that much after tax (it's pricier than both the PA5x and the G2)


Agreed Paul, it's an *undertaking* to convert properly.

Mark