Topic: Genos2/YEM - Wish/Bug List

[DerekA]

As long as it includes the original Refs Whistle patch, what else could you possibly want ...?

[Akki]

Not sure what you should make of this but seen on another forum regarding G2 -
 "A new update to the operating system is being prepared for Genos2 which will include an FM editor and the memory will be increased more, currently it is still being tested by many users worldwide and data and reviews are being collected from the most skilled users for that Genos2 will become the most desired keyboard in the world in the future!"

Make of that what you will.

That indeed sounds great, and it is expected.
Thanks Yamaha!

[lut112]

On the wishlist for Genos 2, a request for a minimum 8 multi-channel audio interface similar to Yamaha Modx

[Akki]

On the wishlist for Genos 2, a request for a minimum 8 multi-channel audio interface similar to Yamaha Modx

Thanks Lut.
Can someone please 2nd this so we can put it on the list?

[ton37]

Or does this mean a 'wishlist'-point for the Genos 3? I cannot imagine that this can be changed in software(update) without hardware intervention? Or am I mistaken?

[Akki]

Or does this mean a 'wishlist'-point for the Genos 3? I cannot imagine that this can be changed in software(update) without hardware intervention? Or am I mistaken?

Good point ton, that is why I asked if someone can 2nd this. We are still on G2 wish list

[musicman100]

What I would like them to fix now? To really take advantage of the new G2 sounds and reverb; previously Yamaha had a feature where if you had a GM/XG midi file, you could set an option for it to automatically grab newer, better versions of the voices within the file. I can't remember what it was called, but it's on the CVP309 which I'll need to go home and check.

I'd like to see that premise extended to as an option to styles and registrations; yes the G2 sounds better, but old reg's sound the same on the G2 (calling up old voice sets, fx, etc); but the auto voice select thing from before would have selected the better versions of everything (except drums for some reason... I'd like it to autoselect newer drums). Again, that should be an option, not mandatory; So far all of my G1 and earlier registrations work on G2, but if they call up the exact same voice /fx list, they will sound the *same* (which is they way backwards compatibility with registrations has always worked)


Mark

Yes it was on the cvp 407 aswell. It was called Song Auto Revoice and you could decide what voice you want to replace the one on tyhe midi file.
So if it was a piano in the midi file  you could say replace it with the CFX piano !!

Was a great idea so quick better then manual changing all the voices!!!

[Akki]

It was called Song Auto Revoice and you could decide what voice you want to replace the one on the midi file.
So if it was a piano in the midi file,  you could say replace it with the CFX piano !!
Was a great idea so quick better than manual changing all the voices!!!

That indeed was **** of onboard tool!

[Amwilburn]

Yes it was on the cvp 407 aswell. It was called Song Auto Revoice and you could decide what voice you want to replace the one on tyhe midi file.
So if it was a piano in the midi file  you could say replace it with the CFX piano !!

Was a great idea so quick better then manual changing all the voices!!!

Thanks, the name escaped me, but it was nice checking a single option and boom, all your midi files chose the best version of each voice.
I'd like a style and registration auto revoice! (and auto re-DSP) because man, all the old G1 registrations work fine and dandy on G2, but actually taking advantage of the new sounds and fx, is more daunting & time-consuming than before!

Mark

[Akki]

Added "Dynamic control setting bug" to the list in main post - Reference Thread - https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,67758.0.html

[diarmot]

Sorry to hear about problems you had...
I wonder if you got replacement G2 and if problem you described still exists, or it was only that unit issue?
Anyone else can 2nd this?

Thanks Akki, Well, I had hope since the dealer mentioned the idea of a replacement but when the rubber hit the road then I was sent a shipping label to send it  to Illinois for a replacement of the board. Trying to get the G2 back in the box correctly was a small challenge. I could have had UPS pick it up but neither I nor my spouse are home during the day so at , 83 and 80, we lugged over to a shipping company that UPS picks up from. They couldn't tell me if the shipping label included insurance and if I wanted insurance, I had to buy a new shipping label. All in all, I'm currently sorry I moved from the G1 to G2. Maybe when I get it back, I'll change my mind. I don't blame the dealer; this comes from Yamaha itself. I just hope it doesn't take forever to get the new board and I get it back within the month.

[Akki]

Thanks Akki, Well, I had hope since the dealer mentioned the idea of a replacement but when the rubber hit the road then I was sent a shipping label to send it  to Illinois for a replacement of the board. Trying to get the G2 back in the box correctly was a small challenge. I could have had UPS pick it up but neither I nor my spouse are home during the day so at , 83 and 80, we lugged over to a shipping company that UPS picks up from. They couldn't tell me if the shipping label included insurance and if I wanted insurance, I had to buy a new shipping label. All in all, I'm currently sorry I moved from the G1 to G2. Maybe when I get it back, I'll change my mind. I don't blame the dealer; this comes from Yamaha itself. I just hope it doesn't take forever to get the new board and I get it back within the month.

I hope you will get your replacement soon!
It's definitely not a dealer and I hope it was only that old unit problem.

[Akki]

This may not be directly G2 bug but YEM: (Modulation-) missing in YEM: https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,68205.0.html) - (https://yamahapk.ideascale.com/c/idea/161396)

[ton37]

Hi @Akki, I appreciate you keeping this up! A very small suggestion for clarity. Classify the wishes and bugs into: hardware (G2) and software (YEM)? So then you get:
FEATURE WHISH LIST:
Hardware (G2, including OS)
....
Software (YEM, xx)
...
BUGS.
Hardware (G2, including OS)
....
Software (Yem, ..)
....

But I don't want to give you extra work, I thought just for the ease of reading 

[Wim NL]

In Multi Record > Midi Song > Step Edit > Chord:
Event Filter does not work. (Also in Genos1)
Wish there was a Time Signature.
Wish for multiple Time Signature.

[Akki]

Wish there was a Time Signature.
Wish for multiple Time Signature.

Thanks Wim.

1st post updated with bug.

I wonder about Time signature you mentioned, would this be a Feature Wish, and it's related to MIDI Song Edit? (I think there are multi time signatures available in style creator now)

[Akki]

First post updated:
DK Editor or something like this: https://yamahapk.ideascale.com/c/idea/161418

[Akki]

Hi @Akki, I appreciate you keeping this up! A very small suggestion for clarity. Classify the wishes and bugs into: hardware (G2) and software (YEM)? So then you get:
FEATURE WHISH LIST:
Hardware (G2, including OS)
....
Software (YEM, xx)
...
BUGS.
Hardware (G2, including OS)
....
Software (Yem, ..)
....

But I don't want to give you extra work, I thought just for the ease of reading 

WOW ton, I completely missed you post... I'll try to reorganize as you suggested. Great idea!

[Gunnar Jonny]

Hi. 
Some of us don't read music notation or play straight from the paper very well, and may also struggle to do transcriptions on the fly if we're used to play songs in a certain key.
A nice and helpful feature that is present at Korg, Roland and Ketron arrangers, is that we can read at the screen the outgoing / sounding chords. I.o.w, the same chords as we actually do listen to if or when there is any need to use the transpose. This feature is very convient, specilally when it's nessesary to transcript on the fly.
It's also great that others can see what chords playing if use additional screen. At Yamaha arrangers we see the chord of the fingered / pressed keys. An option to choose between one or the other would be even better.
"Sorry, this feature is impossible to add" was the message from Yamaha when I questioned some years ago if this could be an option in future models or updates.
Impossible, really? 
Btw,
Korg Pa5X also show the chord progression at the screen when intros and endings in the preset styles is playing, while Genos shows only the first / same chord as when the intro starts. 

[Akki]

Thanks GJ,
1st post updated. It would definitely be a nice little feature for all of us.
I don't want to say basic feature as you already got response “Sorry, this feature is impossible to add” 🤷

[Gunnar Jonny]

Thanks GJ,
1st post updated. It would definitely be a nice little feature for all of us.
I don't want to say basic feature as you already got response “Sorry, this feature is impossible to add” 🤷

My pleasure Sir. 
Basic or not.
It is not impossible for the competitors, so perhaps Yamaha's reply speaks for itself?   
To be fair, it was customer support that forwarded my request to the engineers and replied.
 

[sh]

@Akki:

It would be nice if my feature requests could be added to your list as well if you don't mind.

See  https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,68316.msg515448.html#msg515448  for more details.

Thank you,
Sven

[EileenL]

I don't think it is fair to expect all different makes of keyboard to work the same. We have a choice and choose the one that suits us best. If you play a Midi back that you have recorded you will see the key changes.

[Akki]

There are also reasons why we chose specific instruments, right?; in this case, G2.

Here we go again. We can go back and forth with this/that, and not to encourage it as it would be completely out of topic with possibility of thread being locked, which is not my intention - nice readout here:
https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,68141.msg515040.html#msg515040
https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,67749.msg514237.html#msg514237

[Akki]

@Akki:

It would be nice if my feature requests could be added to your list as well if you don't mind.

See  https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,68316.msg515448.html#msg515448  for more details.

Thank you,
Sven

Sven, added, thanks!

I just put simple des. with link to your post

[Gunnar Jonny]

I don't think it is fair to expect all different makes of keyboard to work the same. We have a choice and choose the one that suits us best. If you play a Midi back that you have recorded you will see the key changes.

Maybe so, but that's not the same as say something is impossible when it's not.
Btw,
I don't use midifiles, I'm playing with autocomp, that's why I use arrangers. And I always play 'live', not by use of playback other than whats given by the styles.
I feel that backingtracks take away a lot of freedom, i.e. to add a verse, solo or chorus.
(Years ago I sometimes used Technics controltrack feature, but only to perform the button- and pedal pushing so both hands was free to play the keys.)

[sh]

Sven, added, thanks!

I just put simple des. with link to your post

Many thanks Akki !

Sven

[DaPaleRider]

I would like to have the following options, what can be delivered with a firmware update:
- Graphs for Envelope and LFO settings, as in YEM
- Possibility to edit the elements (OSC) to change or create your own voices as in YEM
- Start/Stop for Multi Pad 1 to 4, without using the stop button.
- create your own arpeggio's for voices and styles

For a flagship product it is very basic and like to have some more advanced features for editing everything. I believe Yamaha can build this without loosing the simple user experience in the UI.

[Akki]

I would like to have the following options, what can be delivered with a firmware update:
- Graphs for Envelope and LFO settings, as in YEM
- Possibility to edit the elements (OSC) to change or create your own voices as in YEM
- Start/Stop for Multi Pad 1 to 4, without using the stop button.
- create your own arpeggio's for voices and styles

Thanks. I will merge some with first post tomorrow. (Very hard to do it from cellphone 😂🤓🍻)

[DaPaleRider]

Thanks. I will merge some with first post tomorrow. (Very hard to do it from cellphone 😂🤓🍻)

I'll vote for your posts because I'm also on IdeaScale. Thank you!

[Akki]

I'll vote for your posts because I'm also on IdeaScale. Thank you!

Thanks!
List updated

[Koudy]

Bug:
there is some kind of ''stuttering'' of audio songs, while browsing files or menu.

[EileenL]

Have not noticed one.

[Akki]

Bug:
there is some kind of ''stuttering'' of audio songs, while browsing files or menu.

Hey Koudy,
Is this related to your post: https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,68390.msg516037.html#msg516037

Or its something new?

[Wim NL]

Only 2 New 6/8 styles have a correct 6/8 time signature
Rock   2.04   90sLatinRockBallad       6/8
Rock   3.01   80sMajestyRock               6/8

Almost correct:                                     fault  correct
Pop                   1.08   12-8PopBallad    6/4   12/8
Movie&Show   5.02   6-8RomanticRock 12/8    6/8

Why only these 2 a 4 styles correct and not they other?

not correct 6/8 styles:                          fault  correct
Pop           1.07   6-8EuroPopBallad    4/4    6/8
Pop           3.06   6-8ChartBallad            4/4    6/8
Pop           8.08   6-8GuitarBallad            4/4    6/8
Rock           3.08   BigRockBallad            4/4    6/8
Rock           4.04   80s6-8SoftRock            4/4    6/8
Rock           4.09   6-8Rock                    4/4    6/8
RetroPop   1.07   80s6-8DX Ballad            4/4    6/8
RetroPop   3.04   80sClassic6-8            4/4    6/8
RetroPop   8.03   6-8ClassicSynth            4/4    6/8
Oldies   4.08   CaptainSax6-8            4/4    6/8
R&B           1.05   6-8SoulBallad            4/4    6/8
R&B           1.06   TheBlues                    4/4    6/8
R&B           2.02   GuitarBlues            2/4    6/8
R&B           2.03   SlowBlues                    4/4    6/8
Entertainer           6.01   6-8Schlager    4/4    6/8
EasyListening   1.05   Orchestral6-8    4/4    6/8
EasyListening   1.10   Orchestral12-8    4/4    12/8
Classic&Events   1.02   Moonlight6-8    4/4    6/8
Classic&Events   1.06   6-8March            4/4    6/8
Classic&Events   2.08   GreenFantasia    4/4    6/8

[janrhansen]

Indeed, now we are closer than ever to legendary engine on our arranger,.. give us just little more to it, please 😋

I also think it's totally idiotic that you don't have a way of importing at least a standard DX7 compatible sysex file into the YEM and make your own DX sound pack.

The problem is that Yamaha knows that just about ALL the DX7 sounds That people know and loves that was used up thru the 80's and 90's in countless of pop music titles is from the standard factory banks released with the instrument, as very few people ever knew and understood how to program an FM sound.

I actually used an old Atari program to experiment with FM Synthese, and the Larger display that was introduced with the TX-802 actually had at least a reasonable but still cumbersome way of editing the settings once you got around how each operator setting changed the sound of a certain layout. And when I got my Korg Kronos i actually had fun with loading some of my old self made sounds and editing the more advanced settings of the MoD7 engine and adding effects.

The editing is not bad if you know just a tad about FM and can be done in the free Dexed vst much easier than in the old days, and there still is a TON of DX sysex banks floating around the net. I think I have more than 50.000 sounds on the PC ( I havn't been thru very many of them tho  ) .. but why not give the people that want to go this deep the ability of loading a bank of 32 sounds via sysex and make their own exp. pack.

I still hope Yamaha will enable this along tha way.

But Yamaha seriously need to totally redo the YEM software. It still looks like software released prior to 1990 for a 640x480 Monitor.
I wouldn't mind paying for a decent software that Yamaha licensed a serious software company to do

Just as much as I would gladly pay a premium price for a Strings SA Sound pack from Spitfire ... just accept it Yamaha you have no clue of making strings sounds ...

[Koudy]

Bug:
there is some kind of ''stuttering'' of audio songs, while browsing files or menu.

Yes this is it.

[Akki]

Yes this is it.

Interesting indeed.
I have received 15min WAV recording from Genos2, and I can hear random pops/cutoffs during playback. I noticed it 3 times.
I hope this too will be addressed  soon.

[hans1966]

Hi Guys, I have the SX600, and I have found that most Yamaha expansion packs have a lock, making it impossible to edit a sound and/or compress it to create custom packs.

I say this because the SX600's expansion memory is so small (100 Mb) that it fills up quickly with few samples.

I hope there is some solution for this

greetings

Hans

[BogdanH]

hi Hans,
Size of the pack is the same if it's locked (cpf) or not (ppf). In both cases you can select only voices that you wish to be included into your final install pack.
For example, you can select only one voice from locked pack to be installed on keyboard. But regardless if locked or not, that voice will occupy the same amount of memory on keyboard.

Bogdan

[Bill]

I say this because the SX600's expansion memory is so small (100 Mb) that it fills up quickly with few samples.
I hope there is some solution for this

Hi Hans

There is not going to be a solution, it is a fact of life - that is why the 600 is a lot cheaper than the 900 with 1GB of memory.
Bill

[Koudy]

Interesting indeed.
I have received 15min WAV recording from Genos2, and I can hear random pops/cutoffs during playback. I noticed it 3 times.
I hope this too will be addressed  soon.

I wrote here about it: https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,68390.msg516037.html#msg516037

[Akki]

I also think it's totally idiotic that you don't have a way of importing at least a standard DX7 compatible sysex file into the YEM and make your own DX sound pack.

I have a feeling that Yamaha will give us great update/s for both G2 and YEM 🍻🙏

[DaPaleRider]

I have a feeling that Yamaha will give us great update/s for both G2 and YEM 🍻🙏

Yes, that would be smart of Yamaha. There is still much room for improvement and new features to be programmed. Oties that Genos2 does not have but the competitor Korg Pa5X does have. And perhaps lower the price to compete

[valimaties]

Probably for G2 keyboard, but for YEM, I don't think so! In these years of using Yamaha, I saw what Yamaha did with YEM, and I don't think those great improvements/expectings will be added to YEM, unfortunately. I would like to see something like that, but I don't really believe it.

[hans1966]

Hi Hans

There is not going to be a solution, it is a fact of life - that is why the 600 is a lot cheaper than the 900 with 1GB of memory.
Bill

Thanks Bill, I realized that, but it's what I have at the moment.

 Tomorrow God will say.

greetings

Hans

[Akki]

Probably for G2 keyboard, but for YEM, I don't think so! In these years of using Yamaha, I saw what Yamaha did with YEM, and I don't think those great improvements/expectings will be added to YEM, unfortunately. I would like to see something like that, but I don't really believe it.

I hear ya and its similar opinion as to many others I interact with.
But as Yamaha knows that I bought G2, updates will come, for both YEM and G2 faster than usual!  ❤️🍻😁😂🫣

[Akki]

In some cases, samples imported in YEM are not playable until re-saved in AwaveStudio (no changes needed to be done, just re-save file). Importing that file/sample back into YEM plays fine.

[Akki]

Updated 1st post with:
Confirmed by Yamaha possible motherboard problem causing random clicks (hopefully not problem with all G2s): https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,69171.0.html