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Lloyd E

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Next update to Genos
« on: November 24, 2018, 03:18:25 PM »
It's been a very long time since YAMAHA has updated the Genos.  What should Yamaha release for updates?  Lloyd
 

Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2018, 09:18:36 PM »
I suspect they're done because they're too busy being nicer to the Montage owners :-\. There are a lot of good requests that seem to be easy for Yamaha to implement. Of course, I'm not a software developer and it may be more difficult than I think. They also may want to have us invest in Genos II to get those needed updates. That's how the marketing guys and bean counters operate.
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Offline soryt

Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2018, 04:14:45 PM »
They cant solve the Monitor out problems , they cant make a decent page fore programming Mfc10 , they cant make a decent voice editor program on i pad or Pc for the Genos
But they can make this al working om a Modx ? , Why ??????

Soryt  :-X
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Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2018, 04:35:23 PM »
They cant solve the Monitor out problems , they cant make a decent page fore programming Mfc10 , they cant make a decent voice editor program on i pad or Pc for the Genos. But they can make this al working om a Modx ? , Why ?????? Soryt  :-X
Because they simply choose not to. Until Yamaha admits that the Genos is far more than a "sit down with friends around the keyboard and sing a few songs in the living room," diddly squat will be added for us players who bring it to the stage or studio.

They've created an exceptional monster, in a lot of ways better than the Montage and yet, they stifle so many neat things we could be doing. The answer: buy a Montage. Boy, are they smart  ;)!
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Antonio

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Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2018, 04:43:35 PM »
Hello  everybody,

In my opinion, they do not know where to start!
And if we made specific requests, what do you say ????

 :D

Offline PierreSW

Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2018, 04:51:47 PM »
Because they simply choose not to. Until Yamaha admits that the Genos is far more than a "sit down with friends around the keyboard and sing a few songs in the living room," diddly squat will be added for us players who bring it to the stage or studio.

They've created an exceptional monster, in a lot of ways better than the Montage and yet, they stifle so many neat things we could be doing. The answer: buy a Montage. Boy, are they smart  ;)!

On Yamaha's website, this is what follows:
Digital Workstations
Endless possibilities that give you an incredible collection of sounds, styles, effects and virtual voices.


Not correct according to me, as Yamaha has locked editing capabilities in its keyboards.
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Seagull29

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Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2018, 07:17:12 PM »
Hi,
I agree with PierreSW. While the Genos is a very good instrument but it is not the monster we want us to believe it is! Its direct competitor, the Korg Pa4X offers much more openness to all levels. The Genos is not a real WorkStation but a big plug & play quick and easy to use. It is only that, even if it sounds good and satisfies those who do not want to go further, which is quite respectable. But as a professional musician, this is not for me a professional instrument as much as can be the model mentioned above which offers not only the plug & play but also all the tools of creation and customization of an instrument . At least we can stand out and be more original.
Regards
Seagull29
 

beykock

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Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2018, 07:19:05 PM »
Some Genos owners are not happy with the present updating situation.
Others are very pleased with the Genos as it is today.

Sorry I am confused. 🚦
Babette
 

tyrosman

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Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2018, 07:49:00 PM »
why oh why does Genos need an update when every thing is fine. Genos is a brand new system yous lot are all Making mountains out of mo hills on this forum and the way I see it this forum is flaming Joke you have all slate Genos from Day one on this forum >:(
 

Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2018, 08:22:04 PM »
Tyrosman, I think everyone who owns a Genos is pretty happy with it. It’s perfectly fair to want certain “streamlining.” I don’t own the Korg, but if it can do as the previous posters say and it’s a much older design than the Genos, then it’s fair to ask Yamaha these questions. In some ways, Yamaha dropped the ball.

To generalize that feelings of condemnation exist on an entire forum is not accurate either. My Genos does everything I need, however, there are some minor improvements that would be very helpful. For example, the lists from which we can choose various items need to be in alphabetical order. The fact Yamaha won’t fix this is not for the lack of ability but just plain arrogance. They hate to admit they’re wrong. In my industry, information may be accurate, but if it’s difficult to retrieve, then it’s useless. Alphabetizing increases retrievabilty. Several convenient, dedicated buttons have been removed from the Genos that existed on the Tyros 5. They've been replaced with "drilling through menus." That is a huge step backward. Nobody who must use a computer or software enjoys drilling through endless menus or scrolling. Those activities are kept to a minimum in well-designed products.

A lot of product designers today have no concept of usability. I suspect it’s because they let the computers do all the designing for them and forget that humans use these products – not computers!! I recently bought a new car that has so many things that are just counter-intuitive and stupid. It's the same thing. The engineers let the computers do all the work without checking to see if the product actually works in the real world. As an aside, this car used to be designed and built in Japan. It was flawless. It is now designed and built in America. It has one issue after another. But I digress...;D

Yes, my friend, we have a few legitimate suggestions.
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stephenm52

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Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2018, 09:18:18 PM »
I'd like to see a function to automatically alphabetized items in the playlist.
 
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Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2018, 09:24:04 PM »
Agreed, Steve. The Registration List function on the T5 had it. All they need to do is add a simple command button linked to some VERY basic code!! Why does Yamaha drag their feet on concepts that date back to the DOS days of 1980???!!! They are so brilliant in other ways but they (like so many other so-called "brilliant companies") miss the obvious basics.
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Offline frozzers

Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2018, 09:33:10 PM »
This is a small ask but, to speed up things, I'd like to see in the text entry function:

1. capitalization of the first letter, then automatically going to lower case. This seems to be the default option for mobiles, tablets etc nowadays.

2. the apostrophe moved to the main 'abc' screen.

Chris

Offline Fred Smith

Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2018, 11:19:48 PM »
I'd like to see a function to automatically alphabetized items in the playlist.

I don't understand this. If you want it in alphabetical order, why wouldn't you create it that way?

Surely the function of a playlist is to specify the order in which you want to play the songs, which is unlikely to be alphabetical.

Cheers,
Fred
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Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2018, 12:42:14 AM »
Fred, we don't all use the playlist like a set list. As I mentioned before, the T5 showed all songs in the Registration file in List view or ten at a time. I prefer the List view. You're right that the Playlist default is alphabetically until you add a new song. Then you have to re-order it manually (just the one song) or create a new list. A dedicated command button would be very handy.
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Offline EileenL

Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2018, 12:46:29 AM »
Yes  Fred,
  I set playlist registrations up in the order I will play them and to match the order I have my music in.

When we buy these keyboards we expect to have to set them up as we want to use them and also know that some things will be different.

Updates will be issued if they are thought necessary and are faults on the machine, but because some things take a little longer or are different don't always call for updates.     
Eileen
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Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2018, 01:25:07 AM »
Eileen, you're correct but it is also true they shouldn't take away things that worked very well in past models ;). That seems to be one way companies these day claim they've "improved the new model." Not always a good thing.
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Offline overover

Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2018, 02:41:40 AM »
... they cant make a decent page fore programming Mfc10 ...

Hi Soryt,

what do you miss in "Menu - MIDI - External Controller" display (which IS the page to make the desired settings when using the MFC10 or another suitable MIDI Controller)?

Have you already looked into the Genos Reference Manual, pages 138 - 141 ("External Controller—MIDI Controller Setting")?


Best regards,
Chris
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Offline Fred Smith

Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2018, 04:07:43 AM »
Fred, we don't all use the playlist like a set list. As I mentioned before, the T5 showed all songs in the Registration file in List view or ten at a time. I prefer the List view. You're right that the Playlist default is alphabetically until you add a new song. Then you have to re-order it manually (just the one song) or create a new list. A dedicated command button would be very handy.

Fair enough.

And I also miss the List View of the T4.

Cheers,
Fred
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Saskatoon, SK
Sun Lakes, AZ
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tyrosman

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Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2018, 06:29:48 AM »
the way I see this also is you all have to get used to this new instrument good thing,s will happen in good time and I think the best way is to make you own Registrations yes play list is good. every one should be enjoying Genos in stead of moaning about it I have enjoyed Genos since the day I got it yes ive had ups and down,s with it but it all soon fits in to place  :)
 

Offline BenoitM

Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2018, 09:43:06 AM »
why oh why does Genos need an update when every thing is fine.

Everything is fine ? I can't agree…   ???
There's a lot of discussion on this forum about bugs on the Genos…
See my post : https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,47387.msg372061.html#msg372061

If you are happy with this on a +4000€ keyboard, that's fine, we are all using it in a different way, but the fact that everything is fine for you doesn't mean that it is fine for everyone. The fact that several people are not completely satisfied with their Genos is understandable, and not simply a 'hill vs mountain' problem…

A new Genos firmware is definitely needed to correct those bugs. Waiting for a Genos II is not an option, Yamaha's policy is really strange… As a customer I really wonder what are they thinking ???  :-X

Benoit

Offline EileenL

Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2018, 11:53:15 AM »
I think what confuses some is that Genos is different to the Tyros series of keyboards and some things because of this can not always be done the same way. This dose not mean there are bugs every where.
   Most things we did on Tyros can be done on Genos but may take a little more time. Once used to Genos it is quicker to operate with the touch screen and Gateway buttons.
Eileen
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Offline valimaties

Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2018, 12:45:50 PM »
I don't understand why some people are not agree Genos has bugs and need a firmware update !  ??? :-\

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Offline DerekA

Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2018, 01:54:50 PM »
Has Yamaha ever publicly committed to providing bugfixes for anything?

History on the arranger lines shows an initial flurry of fixes for real clangers, then nothing.

It works just fine for *most* people, so I wouldn't expect any further updates ...
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Offline soryt

Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2018, 02:16:59 PM »
Hi Soryt,
what do you miss in "Menu - MIDI - External Controller" display (which IS the page to make the desired settings when using the MFC10 or another suitable MIDI Controller)?

Have you already looked into the Genos Reference Manual, pages 138 - 141 ("External Controller—MIDI Controller Setting")?
Best regards,
Chris
Chris,
If you did have the experience with the Tyros series you know that it had a specific MFC 10 page in the Midi Menu , i know the pedal and external pedal sttings of the Genos .
But it doesnt work so easy as it did on the Tyros series , and there are some functions you cant program anymore on the Mfc10 on the Genos ( DSP/rotary slow/fast) , it should
fore the Yamaha developers a easy job to solve this problem , But once a product is running for a Year they dont upgrade anymore and are making  all there effort in the new model ( Genos2)
But that is the Yamaha way of working , still the Genos is the best sounding keyboard these days , but it isnt nice that Yamaha gives so less for the long existing customers in the
arranger market , if you look at the Synth division they make free nice software and sounds for product wich cost the half of a Genos .
Regards , Soryt  :)
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Offline overover

Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #25 on: November 26, 2018, 05:09:35 PM »
Chris,
If you did have the experience with the Tyros series you know that it had a specific MFC 10 page in the Midi Menu , i know the pedal and external pedal sttings of the Genos .
But it doesnt work so easy as it did on the Tyros series , and there are some functions you cant program anymore on the Mfc10 on the Genos ( DSP/rotary slow/fast) , it should
fore the Yamaha developers a easy job to solve this problem , ...

Hi Soryt,

thank you for clarification! Yes, there are some differences here ...

P.S.
I expect the next Genos update in early 2019. Yamaha definitely has to do something in the near future, because Genos can NOT yet be called "finished".


Best regards,
Chris
« Last Edit: November 27, 2018, 06:22:17 AM by overover »
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Seagull29

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Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #26 on: November 26, 2018, 07:29:52 PM »
I don't understand why some people are not agree Genos has bugs and need a firmware update !  ??? :-\

Regards,
Vali
Because these persons are not professional and use Genos just for pleasure. Also they are not specialists of electronic instruments and find that is enough for them and for fun. Genos is an "old" concepted keyboard arranger even it has good sounds.
Regards
Seagull29

Wouter1972

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Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #27 on: November 26, 2018, 07:50:30 PM »
“...use the keyboard just for pleasure and fun...” Isn’t that always the intention, regardless? ;D
 

Seagull29

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Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #28 on: November 26, 2018, 10:39:18 PM »
Hi,
I don't think so. I'm professional musician and arranger-keyboard are, for me, tools to compose or make pre-titles to show. And, also, with personal sounds. Yamaha said that Genos is a professional work station but you must have a computer to build sound with YEM, modify or build a special style is not easy. Where is pleasure and fun when you can't make all you want ?

keynote

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Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #29 on: November 27, 2018, 12:09:41 AM »
Has Yamaha ever publicly committed to providing bug fixes for anything?

History on the arranger lines shows an initial flurry of fixes for real clangers, then nothing.

It works just fine for *most* people, so I wouldn't expect any further updates ...

Well there is a glimmer of hope that maybe, just maybe, there will be an update on the horizon for the Genos. The reason I say this is because there is a new Genos Owner's Group on Facebook. Ben Harrison who is a Yamaha employee is the moderator of the group. When I received an invitation to join the Group here is part of the email message that was sent to me below.

"As a member of this community, you’ll have the opportunity to connect with other Genos owners, share tips and tricks, and showcase your performances and creations. You’ll be among the first to know about firmware updates, new content, clinics in your area and much more. You’ll also be treated to live interactive videos with Yamaha product specialists, through which you’ll learn more about this incredible instrument and have your questions answered by the experts. There will even be exclusive giveaways and special promotions only offered to members!"

I received the invitation less than a month ago. Unfortunately it is only available for Genos owners living in the USA. But the point I wanted to make are the words contained in the message. "You'll be among the first to know about firmware updates, new content, etc." So even though Yamaha usually just fixes the worst bugs and then moves on it might be different with the Genos. Although we're approaching almost eight months since the last update one way to look at it is perhaps Yamaha is in the process of making a monumental update that will add many goodies and also fix any potential bugs and/or glitches. For instance, Korg really came through big time with the Pa4x OS 2.0 update. It made the Pa4x seem like a new keyboard because of all the improvements. It would be nice if Yamaha supported the Genos in a similar fashion. But I am also a realist so even though I'm hopeful there will be more updates it wouldn't really surprise me if there weren't any more because of Yamaha's tendency to fix the worst bugs and then move on to the next task which in this case would be the Genos 2.  :(

Mike

 

gerarde

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Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #30 on: November 27, 2018, 03:15:59 AM »
I started using arrangers in the early 80's.
My first on was a technics, I think, that used little cartridges for the styles.
I eventually got a Lowery MX1, then many after that and eventually started using  Yanaha arrangers.
Each one i bought was better than the last.
I currently own a Genos, after I sold my PSR S970.
Like anything I buy, whether it is a car, tv, or keyboard, I check it out.
I look at specifications, drive the car, look at the tv, watch videos on youtube at demos.
If there is something that is not in the specs, that I need, I do not buy it.
I do not buy something and then complain about it because it does not have this or that.
I know up front what it has.

Yamaha has specifications posted, features listed, and 100's of videos available for one to see, watch and hear.
I am tired of reading about the Genos should have this or that.
For me, everything I have read, watched, or listened to help me make my decision to buy a Genos.
I did not buy it on the chance that some things would be added to it.

Some of you that bought a Genos want more out of it than what is in the specifications.
That is like buying a car and have  expectations that it should have features or options that are not on the sticker.
You are buying what is on the sticker, no more, no less.
That is like buying a tv and expect it to be 4k resolution but the specs do not show it.
So, how can you buy something, after you read all the specs, and expect it to have more?

To those who do not own a Genos, and say it should have this or that, read the Specs, they tell you what it does have.

The manuals show you what you can and can not edit.
You can't get something that is not there.
IF you want something that is not there, get a different keyboard, or wait for the next Genos to come out.
IMHO, there is not another arranger keyboard that sounds and does what the Genos does.

I am not trying to offend anyone, I am just stating facts, IMHO.

Regards,
Gerard









Antonio

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Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #31 on: November 27, 2018, 05:12:09 AM »

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Hi,
I agree with PierreSW. While the Genos is a very good instrument but it is not the monster we want us to believe it is! Its direct competitor, the Korg Pa4X offers much more openness to all levels. The Genos is not a real WorkStation but a big plug & play quick and easy to use. It is only that, even if it sounds good and satisfies those who do not want to go further, which is quite respectable. But as a professional musician, this is not for me a professional instrument as much as can be the model mentioned above which offers not only the plug & play but also all the tools of creation and customization of an instrument . At least we can stand out and be more original.
Regards
Seagull29

I totally agree with you. In some ways I find the Genos is very disappointing, for a professional or advanced lover
Regards
Antonio
« Last Edit: November 27, 2018, 10:00:33 AM by Antonio »
 

Offline EileenL

Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #32 on: November 27, 2018, 11:11:34 AM »
Hello Gerard,
  At last someone I totally agree with. I love my genos and bought it to entertain myself and others which it dose beautifully. I have never mixed computers with keyboards or Daws as Genos gived me everything I need to create music.
Eileen
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stephenm52

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Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #33 on: November 27, 2018, 11:46:35 AM »
the way I see this also is you all have to get used to this new instrument good thing,s will happen in good time and I think the best way is to make you own Registrations yes play list is good. every one should be enjoying Genos in stead of moaning about it I have enjoyed Genos since the day I got it yes ive had ups and down,s with it but it all soon fits in to place  :)

I usually set my playlists up by the order I'll most likely play the songs in.   Having a button to alphabetize just comes in handy, it's by no means a show stopper. 

I agree the the above post I love my Gneos and bought it both to entertain myself and audiences for the gigs I play.   I don't mix my computers with my keyboards as a rule, the more time I spend trying to do that the less time I have to work on my playing.
 

Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #34 on: November 27, 2018, 01:30:37 PM »
Excellent opinions, everyone. Here are some further ideas:

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Yamaha has specifications posted, features listed, and 100's of videos available for one to see, watch and hear.
When hundreds of people first bought the Genos, the only videos available for weeks were some demos mainly about EDM. As for features and specs, we read that we could record, edit sounds, and a huge host of other things. None of those features or specs mean anything until we have the Genos in our hands. The question becomes, "How well and how easy can all these things be done?" For example, recording and editing is a HUGE part of what a lot of Genos players do beyond living room playing. The Genos manual (and virtually every arranger manual going back generations) ALL say you can use a DAW to record the Genos. If recording is possible but very difficult to do because of all the hoops and rings you must jump through to even get started, then the whole creative process goes right out the window. Recording and editing on board or with a DAW are clearly marked "on the sticker" but these functions are far from easy to use and are very cumbersome - next to impossible. The DAW connectivity is a huge barrier and on board editing of a recording is archaic. I know the Genos is not a DAW nor is it portrayed as one, but the manual promises it can be used with a DAW. Good luck with that!!

If the functions don't work as promised or are cumbersome, then there is room for improvement - and I don't mean by forking out another $6,000 for Genos II. Either the features work well or they don't. I agree that the Genos is perfect to play with at home or on a gig almost right out of the box, but there are a lot of promised features that are below par and could use some streamlining. To use my earlier car analogy, Honda now uses one AC evaporator on their Odyssey minivan. They used to put two evaporators in. For the most part, the AC works fine, except for the people who live in Florida or Arizona. The sticker reads, "AC" but it doesn't work that well in certain climates like the older Odysseys did.

The moral: we're all right in our own perception. I agree with Gerard that if the Genos doesn't have something you need or want, then buy a different keyboard. However, if the sticker says it does this or that, then it better do it perfectly for the money we pay! Several members are still dealing with advanced level functions that were listed on the sticker, that don't work as promised. It's time for Yamaha to step up to the plate, especially when they jump on fixes for the other upper level keyboards practically overnight.
"Learn" your music correctly, then "practice" it. Don't practice mistakes because you'll learn them.
 

stephenm52

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Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #35 on: November 28, 2018, 12:01:18 AM »
Hi,
I don't think so. I'm professional musician and arranger-keyboard are, for me, tools to compose or make pre-titles to show. And, also, with personal sounds. Yamaha said that Genos is a professional work station but you must have a computer to build sound with YEM, modify or build a special style is not easy. Where is pleasure and fun when you can't make all you want ?

I’m a semi-pro in the sense I’m retired and don’t try to earn a full time living with the Genos.  I do however play a few gigs each month and the response to my programs has been outstanding since moving to the Genos.  I sometimes us the Korg Pa4x at gigs and generally that gets good audience response too but at the moment I prefer the Genos does everything I need it too to earn my keep to pay for my keyboard toys.
 

beykock

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Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #36 on: November 28, 2018, 07:33:47 AM »
IMHO it is not easy to compare Yamaha's and Korg's arranger keyboards.

Both brands are manufactering pro highend arranger keyboards with their own typical features.

The choice depends on the needs and the applications of the enduser.

Some players have bought Yamaha and Korg.
Why not if their budget allows it and if the owners are willing to work with two complete different software structures.

In the past I also had a Tyros2 and a Pa2x.
I have sold the Korg and since a couple of years I prefer to play Yamaha only.

Yamaha's present arranger keyboards are plug-and-play arrangers with a very rich sound.

There is so much Yamaha software available on the market and second hand Yamaha keyboards are very easy to sell.

 I like Korg but love Yamaha.


Babette

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keynote

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Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #37 on: November 28, 2018, 04:44:26 PM »


Yamaha has specifications posted, features listed, and 100's of videos available for one to see, watch and hear.
I am tired of reading about the Genos should have this or that.
For me, everything I have read, watched, or listened to help me make my decision to buy a Genos.
I did not buy it on the chance that some things would be added to it.

Some of you that bought a Genos want more out of it than what is in the specifications.
That is like buying a car and have  expectations that it should have features or options that are not on the sticker.

Regards,
Gerard

Tell us how you really feel Gerard. ;)  Opinions are nice and of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Some people on the forum have expressed a desire for future updates and I think that's a positive not a negative. To improve upon an already great keyboard is something to be hopeful about not frustrated about in my opinion. But of course to each his own. I like the Genos for what it is but I don't mind if Yamaha sees fit to add additional things that could potentially create even greater user satisfaction. But it is Yamaha's choice and decision whether or not to do so of course. If they don't provide anymore updates I am still happy but like almost everyone else I would greatly appreciate it if Yamaha provided additional updates to improve upon things that might still need improving, such as potential glitches and/or bugs that have been discussed previously and perhaps even feature enhancements that could prove useful to one and all. As far as the car analogy goes it's like comparing apples to oranges in my opinion. The Genos has the ability to update its software and that's all we're really asking. If we want something hardware related we'll have to wait for Genos 2.  Happy Holidays!

Mike

Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #38 on: November 28, 2018, 05:59:38 PM »
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As far as the car analogy goes it's like comparing apples to oranges in my opinion.

Not quite, Mike. You would be shocked at how many transmission problems (and several other problems) are fixed by simple software updates. Cars these days are primarily computers on wheels just like the Genos is a computer with a sound engine and keys attached :). Definitely apples to apples.
"Learn" your music correctly, then "practice" it. Don't practice mistakes because you'll learn them.
 

Lloyd E

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Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #39 on: November 29, 2018, 04:25:18 PM »
Wow, what a lot of responses to my post.  As always we get both sides of the fence and that's good. Glad it was shared by many with some good opinions.  Thanks, Lloyd
 

Bachus

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Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #40 on: December 02, 2018, 08:38:20 PM »
I suspect they're done because they're too busy being nicer to the Montage owners :-\. There are a lot of good requests that seem to be easy for Yamaha to implement. Of course, I'm not a software developer and it may be more difficult than I think. They also may want to have us invest in Genos II to get those needed updates. That's how the marketing guys and bean counters operate.

The montage is done by a whole different team..
The montage team has done huge improvements over time..
The Genos team could learn a lot from the US based montage team..

Not just where updates are regarded..
But also how they atleast communicate openly with the users on an official yamahA SYNTH forum.
Yet 95% of all Genos owners does not seem to care, and so Yamaha europe does not feel any urge to follow the example of the US based team.

I for one love the support i find on the online yamaha synth forums for my modx. Where members of the synth content development team like badmister (phil) and blake openly communicate with the customers
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Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2018, 01:26:06 PM »
That's all true, Bachus. However, doesn't the ultimate decision for sending updates and fixes to the Genos owners lie with Yamaha Corp and not some country based development team? Won't the European guys ultimately do as they are told by Yamaha Corp? Same with the U.S. teams. They aren't going to spend thousands of Yamaha Corp dollars, (Yen, Euros, Beans...whatever) without approval. It's Yamaha Corp who must issue the orders to upgrade or fix things. I'd like to know if they are listening. I suggest not, since there's been no action for several months - unless they are true believers in Santa Claus :).
"Learn" your music correctly, then "practice" it. Don't practice mistakes because you'll learn them.
 

beykock

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Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #42 on: December 03, 2018, 02:09:24 PM »
Hi Lloyd,

If Yamaha are not uploading any new Genos updates, I am afraid there is no alternative than to wait for the Genos2.

Time will tell.

Babette
 

Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #43 on: December 03, 2018, 02:15:39 PM »
I'm very happy with my Genos I, save for a few minor annoyances. As for:

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If Yamaha are not uploading any new Genos updates, I am afraid there is no alternative than to wait for the Genos2.

Translation: for updates to your Genos I, you will need to fork out another $6,000.
"Learn" your music correctly, then "practice" it. Don't practice mistakes because you'll learn them.
 

Seagull29

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Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #44 on: December 03, 2018, 04:10:10 PM »
Hi,
here is the answer of Yamaha Europe about a problem with use of User Voices and Personnal voices in styles. In fact, theffects are not included in modified voices when you use them in styles.

Hello Mr. S........,

I forward your eMail directly to our product management. Maybe there will be a change for the Genos. The Tyros 5 is actually out there.

Nevertheless, many thanks for your involvement in this matter.

 

Yours sincerely

Your Yamaha Service Team

Andreas Läu


What do you think about this answer ? Update or not Update, that is the question !

Regards
Seagull29
 

Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #45 on: December 03, 2018, 05:41:07 PM »
Based on the language and grammar, I see this as probably the stupidest and unclear response I've read in years. It says nothing! Is it possible it was a decent response but the translation software ruined it??
"Learn" your music correctly, then "practice" it. Don't practice mistakes because you'll learn them.
 

Bachus

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Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #46 on: December 03, 2018, 07:03:42 PM »
Based on the language and grammar, I see this as probably the stupidest and unclear response I've read in years. It says nothing! Is it possible it was a decent response but the translation software ruined it??

Its the German team..
On average many Germans English sadly is below average..
Which probably is what distracts you in the response..
 

Bachus

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Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #47 on: December 03, 2018, 07:07:11 PM »
That's all true, Bachus. However, doesn't the ultimate decision for sending updates and fixes to the Genos owners lie with Yamaha Corp and not some country based development team? Won't the European guys ultimately do as they are told by Yamaha Corp? Same with the U.S. teams. They aren't going to spend thousands of Yamaha Corp dollars, (Yen, Euros, Beans...whatever) without approval. It's Yamaha Corp who must issue the orders to upgrade or fix things. I'd like to know if they are listening. I suggest not, since there's been no action for several months - unless they are true believers in Santa Claus :).

I think the teams have a huge say in what changes and happens..
Because Yamaha works with these imternational teams, because they are meant to uphold the contacts with the customers to know what customers worldwide want..

Its obvious Montage is more aimed at the US market
Where Genos is more a european thing..

These teams are Yamaha’s ears and eyes, and important part of the brain..
 

Seagull29

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Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #48 on: December 03, 2018, 07:34:47 PM »
Based on the language and grammar, I see this as probably the stupidest and unclear response I've read in years. It says nothing! Is it possible it was a decent response but the translation software ruined it??
Hi,
Here is the explaination: I sent some mails to Yamaha about the problem I had with User Voices and built voices by YEM in Styles. After 2 or 3 mails, they seems to say that they have sent my last mail higher and they apparently don't know if it will be some update on Genos which will resolve this disadvantage. But for Tyros 5, it's apparently over, this model is out of list so, no new update.
At least they responded, not like in France where they direct you to an obscure demonstrator who will not know more ! And the answer come after a very long time ! In France, we said:" Botter en touche". It means that the problem is given to another who will have to get by with ! I'm not sure that it's a priority for Yamaha !

Regards

Seagull29

PS/ Sorry for using translator but my english is not enough good to translate directly from german to english !  ;) ;) ;)
 

Re: Next update to Genos
« Reply #49 on: December 03, 2018, 09:30:15 PM »
No worries, Seagull29. I understand your message. Thanks  ;).
"Learn" your music correctly, then "practice" it. Don't practice mistakes because you'll learn them.