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Offline vbdx66

Hello to all,

Since the Genos is no up and running and speculation has eventually ended, for those who cannot afford it or are long time aficionados of the PSR S and PSR E series, I am wondering which features from the Genos might appear in the ďsmallerĒ keyboards.

Here is my bet:

For the PSR S 690/790/990 or whatever these boards will be labelled:
- Revo drums
- Kino strings
- New guitars
- Revamped DSP module
- Of course, some sounds and styles from the Genos (or possibly some completely new styles)

For the PSR E463/EW410 or whatever they will be called:
- More DSP effects to be controlled with the two Live knobs
- More Sweet! and Cool! voices
- At least ONE guitar sound which is not complete trash
- 5 to 10 styles directly adapted from the new Genos styles for SFF1 keyboards

And you Forum users, which features do you think will most probably make their way down from the Genos to the PSR S and E keyboards?

Best Regards,

Vinciane.
Past keyboards: PSR E313, PSR E413, PSR E433, PSR S550, DGX 640, upright piano.
Now: DGX 650
 

Offline DerekA

Re: What specs of the Genos will make their way to the PSR S and E keyboards?
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2017, 08:37:22 AM »
For the PSR S 690/790/990 or whatever these boards will be labelled:
- Revo drums
- Kino strings
- New guitars
- Revamped DSP module
- Of course, some sounds and styles from the Genos (or possibly some completely new styles)
Vinciane.

I'm not sure we will see much of that .... my guess would be

Touch screen
10 registration slots per bank
More than 2 assignable knobs
Additional insert DSP blocks
Some voices and styles

Recent history, though, is for the PSR-S series to introduce new functionality that migrates up to TOTL (e.g. assignable knobs, storing DSP parameters in registrations) so perhaps Yamaha will delight us with a surprise or two.

Offline vbdx66

Re: What specs of the Genos will make their way to the PSR S and E keyboards?
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2017, 11:51:47 AM »
Hello Derek,

I mentioned Revo Drums  because they are more or less replacing the defunct Audio Styles and if Yamaha drops the Audio styles for the successor of the S970 Revo Drums seem to be an obvious replacement.

I also think that Kino Strings have to be one of the PSR S970 new voices because they seem to be one of the star voices on the Genos.

As for "surprises" an arpeggiator for which one could design his own patterns would certainly be a nice addition  8)

I also hope there will be some additions to the PSR E keyboards, like recently the Aux In port and Audio via USB.

Best Regards,

Vinciane.
Past keyboards: PSR E313, PSR E413, PSR E433, PSR S550, DGX 640, upright piano.
Now: DGX 650
 

Offline DerekA

Re: What specs of the Genos will make their way to the PSR S and E keyboards?
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2017, 01:04:59 PM »
I've said elsewhere that I think they've been a bit mean in terms of genuinely new features on Genos. Sure there are some, but there could have been a lot more. I've considered Genos, but I will probably hold out for the 970 replacement. Who knows, they might rename that line too.

It would be great if some of the Genos / Tyros features did trickle down the line, but I think Yamaha needs to keep some features 'reserved' for the TOTL models - even though the processor in the current S770 / S970 could easily handle the load. Otherwise, who would spend the extra money?

I do agree that a programmable arpeggiator would be a good candidate to introduce - it would just be implemented in software, and would tie in well with the apparent strategy of targetting EDM users.




Offline Patrick

Re: What specs of the Genos will make their way to the PSR S and E keyboards?
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2017, 03:45:15 PM »
Bonjour Vinciane, oui on peut toujours rÍver! I hope to have much more memory for the expansion packs, 2 usb drive and a touch screen; bonne soirťe Patrick
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Offline SciNote

Re: What specs of the Genos will make their way to the PSR S and E keyboards?
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2017, 05:44:58 PM »
It's hard to imagine any Genos features making their way directly to the PSR-E series other than just general improvements to the line.  Things I have put in my wish list, such as being able to program the sustain pedal to sustain both the left and right sides of a split keyboard and the ability to store the on/off status of the DSP into a registration.  Other than that, I would expect to see additional sounds, styles, and DSP's, but these would likely occur anyway in the next model, whether the Genos existed or not.  The only thing that might be tied directly to the Genos would be the addition of some sounds taken directly from that keyboard.

Four live-control knobs instead of two would be great, but I doubt we'll see that in the PSR-E line.  Maybe the S, but probably not the E.  It would also be nice to see a dual voice for the left/split side of the keyboard, which I don't think is even in the Genos, right?  I've always wondered why Yamaha stopped that.  It was available in the early 1990's in the PSR-500 and 510, as well as some more obscure models, but starting with the PSR-520, they took out the dual/layer voice for the split voice/left side of the keyboard.  It can definitely be a nice feature to have a higher pitched background voice, such as strings, go along with a lower pitched supporting bass voice.
Bob
Yamaha PSR-E433
Yamaha PSR-520
 

Offline J. Larry

Re: What specs of the Genos will make their way to the PSR S and E keyboards?
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2017, 06:51:56 PM »
Like others, think Iíll sit out the Genos and wait for the next PSR upgrade, if it happens.  Hope thatís in 2018.  Donít care for 78 notes, since 61 is all Iíve ever played, or care to tote around.  Sold my 61-note Tyros 5; but, hanging on to the S970.  Donít need any new features particularly.  Just prefer improved styles and voices.  Sure wish Yamaha would include a few high-quality choral voices in the PSR line, including some of the scat voices.  Probably wonít happen.  Even toyed with the idea of adding the new Korg Pa 1000, along with the PSR upgrade.  Two second-tier models from two manufacturers might be fun.  Only owned Technics and Yamaha to this point.   




Offline guitpic1

Re: What specs of the Genos will make their way to the PSR S and E keyboards?
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2017, 09:40:24 AM »
I would hope for a better keybed.  The keybed on my S970 seems similar to a PSR E4XX series for which I paid less than $400.

For me, the keybed on my S970 seems very toylike.
guitpic1

PA 4X, S970, DGX650, JBL Eon One, SSV.3
 

Offline vbdx66

Re: What specs of the Genos will make their way to the PSR S and E keyboards?
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2017, 11:05:22 AM »
I would hope for a better keybed.  The keybed on my S970 seems similar to a PSR E4XX series for which I paid less than $400.

For me, the keybed on my S970 seems very toylike.
Hello Guipic,

If I may ask, which PSR E4xx model are you comparing the keybed of your PSR S970 to?

I had the PSR E413 and found the keybed very bad, whereas I really enjoyed playing the keybed of the PSR E433. I then tried the E 443 and didnít like its keybed at all.

I agree that the keybed should definitely be better on higher-end keyboards.

Best Regards,

Vinciane.
Past keyboards: PSR E313, PSR E413, PSR E433, PSR S550, DGX 640, upright piano.
Now: DGX 650
 

Offline Keyboardist

Re: What specs of the Genos will make their way to the PSR S and E keyboards?
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2017, 08:19:56 AM »
Agree on the toy like keybed
At thanksgiving my niece got her young son a Cascio CDP 235 for him to start playing with music teacher lessons once a week. Well at Thanksgiving they wanted to show me the keyboard and after trying the keybed "88" weighted keys; I couldn't believe the quality-weighted piano keys for 449.99 Cascio.
While the weighted keys are not for everybody my point is the quality of the keybed for the price compared to my board.Sound wise cascio its just Ok but otherwise I think Yamaha needs to improve on the toy quality of the more expensive upper keyboard PSR's
Craig
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Online SeaGtGruff

Re: What specs of the Genos will make their way to the PSR S and E keyboards?
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2017, 10:09:59 AM »
Yamaha already has several lines of keyboards with piano-style keys, ranging in price from under $200 to over $1000. These include, but are not limited to, the NP line, the P line, the YDP line, and the DGX/YPG line.

The least-expensive model seems to be the NP12, with 61 box-shaped keys, which is currently listed on Amazon at $180.

All of these lines have piano-style (box-shaped) keys, but some are just semi-weighted (I think they're "Graded Soft Touch"?), while others are fully-weighted ("Graded Hammer Scale").

Most of these "piano-centered" lines don't have nearly the number of voices, styles, and other features as the PSR-E and PSR-S arrangers. The DGX/YPG line is the closest to being a "piano-style arranger," but is XGlite-compatible rather than XG-compatible, and can access only the A and B style variations.

Of course, there's also the Clavinova line, which is also a piano-style arranger, and fully XG-compatible, but much more expensive than the DGX/YPG line.
Michael Rideout
YPT-400, PSR-E433, PSR-E443
 

Offline Keyboardist

Re: What specs of the Genos will make their way to the PSR S and E keyboards?
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2017, 12:17:30 PM »
I was just surprised at the entry level cascio CDP 235 having a pro feel when against my more expensive Yamaha
The darn thing felt like a piano and had 88 keys to boot !!!
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Offline edtek

Re: What specs of the Genos will make their way to the PSR S and E keyboards?
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2017, 11:04:29 AM »
I would love to see the Genos Playlist function on PSRs!  Preparing gig lists is a pain for me.  I like to have the regs lined up so I just have to press the next reg.  I tried separate banks but then the regs are in 2 locations and I have to remember to copy changes to both.  Also I'm still hoping for a 76 key option.
Ed, Out in the West Texas town of El Paso
 

Offline hans1966

Re: What specs of the Genos will make their way to the PSR S and E keyboards?
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2017, 02:31:19 PM »
Hi guys, I can think of several things: 1. that the next arranger has a different name for example: PSR-G (as a diminutive of Genos, but mid-range) 2. Incorporation of the chord sequencer 3. Songbook 4. Recording Audio in high quality Mp3 5. 4 to 6 assignable controls (Drawbar, effects, and styles) 6. Arpeggiator included in the styles, (phrases and patterns programmable in real time) 7. 10 "touch screen adaptable to any environment (light or dark) 8. 16-track midi sequencer + a master track for time and volume control, deep event editing for example: copy of a complete phrase of an orchestra section (orchestral composition or full section of a style) at a certain point in a song.  it's just my two cents.      Greetings     Hans
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