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Offline traper2000

PSR-S970 and second MIDI keyboard
« on: November 10, 2017, 03:20:04 AM »
Hello all Yamaha players !
This is my first post and I would like to say sorry for my English.
Do somebody know if it is possible to connect another MIDI keyboard through MIDI ports to S970 and play two persons with sounds comes from S970 only?
I need that connection to play simultaneously with my wife and record it as song in master keyboard.
Is it possible to assign a midi channel (with selected S970 voice) for second keyboard?
Best regards
T.
 

Offline travlin-easy

Re: PSR-S970 and second MIDI keyboard
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2017, 07:39:04 AM »
Yes, it can be done and there are instructions in the user manual on how to do this.

Gary 8)
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Offline traper2000

Re: PSR-S970 and second MIDI keyboard
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2017, 09:47:05 AM »
Thanks Gary for answer.
I will check the manual and do this.
Greetings from Poland
T.

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Offline travlin-easy

Re: PSR-S970 and second MIDI keyboard
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2017, 06:41:18 PM »
Traper, my sailing friend, Piotr, tells me it is already winter in Poland - too cold for this old man. Hope everything works out for you.

Good luck,

Gary 8)
Love Those Yammies...
 

Offline traper2000

Re: PSR-S970 and second MIDI keyboard
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2017, 03:53:16 AM »
Gary,
here is 10 deg.C (50 F) so it is not bad. That temperature is great to stay at home and play Yamaha :-).
Btw. currently I use S670 but on Thursday I will pick up a new S970 - OU YEACH ! :-)
T. (Kris 8))

 

Offline Keynote31

Re: PSR-S970 and second MIDI keyboard
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2017, 06:28:10 AM »
I use a M-Audio Axium connected to my 970 via the midi ports....works well but I still need to learn a bit more about Midi to get the best out of it. Musicland supply a Tyros Organ setup,(with a Yamaha piano below the Tyros, sounded great1 I saw it at the Yamaha Club Weekend a couple of weeks ago, I couldn't find out the midi configuration though, but it works really well.  Sorry can't be more specific.
 
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Offline traper2000

Re: PSR-S970 and second MIDI keyboard
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2017, 10:08:46 AM »
I am thinking about buying M-AUDIO 61-II Key. It looks good and there are few tests on youtube.
The cost is also not so high.
 

Offline SeaGtGruff

Re: PSR-S970 and second MIDI keyboard
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2017, 12:00:03 PM »
M-Audio gets a lot of flak from some people over the supposedly poor quality of their MIDI keyboard controllers, but I bought an M-Audio Axiom 61-II years ago and it has been great for me. The Axiom was a good bit more than the Keystation, but I went for the Axiom because of all the extra controls-- buttons, knobs, pads, and sliders. Now I'm waffling over whether to get the new M-Audio Hammer 88, because I've been wanting a weighted 88-note keyboard for a while.
Michael Rideout
YPT-400, PSR-E433, PSR-E443
 

Offline traper2000

Re: PSR-S970 and second MIDI keyboard
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2017, 08:48:43 AM »
Guys,
is it possible to connect S970 and another keyboard via USB as a direct connection instead of MIDI DIN cable?
If yes, I could (temporarily) use my old keyboard PSR-295 with USB(midi) port as second keys.
I found in internet proper usb cable type B-B.
 
 

Offline travlin-easy

Re: PSR-S970 and second MIDI keyboard
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2017, 09:55:17 AM »
Not that I know of.

Gary 8)
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Offline SeaGtGruff

Re: PSR-S970 and second MIDI keyboard
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2017, 01:35:37 PM »
Possibly, but you'd need a secial interface-- a USB "B" to USB "B" cable wouldn't work-- and the keyboards with USB-MIDI ports must be MIDI Class Compliant. I'm 99.9% certain that the PSR-295 is not MIDI Class Compliant, so it wouldn't work.

So if you want to use the PSR-295 as a second keyboard with your PSR-S970, you'll need to connect both of them either to a Windows computer/laptop/tablet that has the correct Yamaha USB-MIDI driver installed, or to a Mac computer/laptop with MacOS X that has CoreMIDI built in and doesn't need a USB-MIDI driver, or to a Mac computer/laptop with an older MacOS version that has the correct Yamaha USB-MIDI driver installed, or an iPad that has CoreMIDI built in. If you're using an iPad and can physically connect only one keyboard (the PSR-295 with its USB-MIDI), you could use Bluetooth MIDI to connect the PSR-S970 to the iPad (I assume you'd need to buy Yamaha's Bluetooth MIDI adapter for the PSR-S970). Once you've got both computers successfully connected to a computer/laptop/tablet, you'd use a DAW or other MIDI routing software to transfer MIDI data between the two keyboards.
Michael Rideout
YPT-400, PSR-E433, PSR-E443
 
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Offline traper2000

Re: PSR-S970 and second MIDI keyboard
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2017, 11:42:13 PM »
In this situation it doesn't make sense. It is better to buy another keys with midi port.
 

Offline SeaGtGruff

Re: PSR-S970 and second MIDI keyboard
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2017, 12:13:00 AM »
I agree, especially since you can get a velocity-sensitive semi-weighted MIDI keyboard controller for pretty cheap these days, especially if it isn't loaded with a lot of buttons and knobs and sliders and pads. And I think most keyboard controllers tend to have both MIDI and USB-MIDI ports.

But if you would like the second keyboard to be able to make its own sounds, the old PSR-E323/YPT-320 has MIDI IN/OUT ports, is touch-sensitive, and can often be found for sale used at a great bargain price. The newer PSR-E3xx/YPT-3xx models (E333 and up) have USB-MIDI ports, but the older ones (E303 through E323) have MIDI ports. So even a PSR-E303/YPT-300 or PSR-E313/YPT-310 would make a decent cheap controller, although the PSR-E323/YPT-320 probably has a few additional voices and styles.
Michael Rideout
YPT-400, PSR-E433, PSR-E443
 
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Offline traper2000

Re: PSR-S970 and second MIDI keyboard
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2017, 09:36:49 AM »
Guys,
I've found a Roland A 800 PRO little used but still very good looking (no defects).
Price about 180 EUR (200 USD).
The seller assures that it will works perfectly with other midi keyboards.
Can be true... what do you think?

Kris
 

Offline travlin-easy

Re: PSR-S970 and second MIDI keyboard
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2017, 12:52:51 PM »
If it has a 9-pin midi out it will work with any arranger keyboard that has a 9-pin midi input.

Hope this helps,

Gary 8)
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Offline traper2000

Re: PSR-S970 and second MIDI keyboard
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2017, 11:02:49 AM »
Hi,
I have bought that Roland A-800PRO and connect via midi cables to S970. Both keyboards works fine. I can play on A800 and the sound comes from S970. On A800 I can assign a midi channel from 1 to 16 and on S970 pick a sound for that channel. There is one big trouble I can't solve. I want play on both keyboards and record as song on S970 sequencer, but S970 doesn't save notes plaed on Roland even though that notes are heard during recording.
Tried in many ways on different channels and always the same.
What can I do to play on both keyboards and record it as song for further edit and play directly from S970?
Kris.

 

Offline travlin-easy

Re: PSR-S970 and second MIDI keyboard
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2017, 07:18:14 PM »
I wish I could be of more assistance, but I would need an identical setup to determine how to solve the problem.

Good luck, and I hope you can find an answer,

Gary  8)
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Offline SeaGtGruff

Re: PSR-S970 and second MIDI keyboard
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2017, 09:43:44 PM »
Kris, it's my understanding that the keyboard's song sequencer can't record incoming MIDI data, only MIDI data that's generated by the keyboard itself. You might say that the song sequencer isn't designed to "listen" to incoming MIDI data. If you want to record the MIDI data that's generated by both keyboards, I think your only option is to connect both keyboards to a computer and use a DAW-- i.e., set up MIDI tracks that will listen to and record the PSR-S970's MIDI data, and also set up MIDI tracks that will listen to and record the A-800PRO's MIDI data.
Michael Rideout
YPT-400, PSR-E433, PSR-E443
 
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Offline traper2000

Re: PSR-S970 and second MIDI keyboard
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2017, 10:43:03 PM »
Thanks Michael. I think you are right and I have to use a software sequencer. Do you know an easy DAW software (PC) for recording 16 midi tracks in one time - it should be enough for PSR & Roland together (audio track is not needed - no vocal, only music). It would be the best if I could export that recording to S970 as song.
In the past I used Cakewalk 6 but it was long time ago (it works with Roland D20 and Yamaha MU50).
I have downloaded demo version of Sonar Home Studio but it is a bit complicated software.
Hope you can help me find right software.
Kris
 

Offline traper2000

Re: PSR-S970 and second MIDI keyboard
« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2017, 11:17:04 AM »
Hello everyone!
Finally I did it. I can play on two keyboards and record it as song.
To do this, it is needed to set midi channel on second keyboard (I picked 3-rd). In MIDI settings of S970 I changed channel 3 from SONG to LEFT and now I can play RIGHT1 and RIGHT2 on S970 and LEFT on ROLAND (I still can change voice of LEFT directly from main screen). Chords are changed on left of S970.
In that settings all is recorded in SONG.
(once again - sorry for my English)
 
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Offline SeaGtGruff

Re: PSR-S970 and second MIDI keyboard
« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2017, 03:35:01 PM »
That is great news, and good to know for future requests. I didn't realize the keyboard would record Keyboard parts (Right1, Right2, Left) that were controlled by an external MIDI controller, but in hindsight it makes sense. :)
Michael Rideout
YPT-400, PSR-E433, PSR-E443
 

Offline Lofty(dave)

Re: PSR-S970 and second MIDI keyboard
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2017, 08:14:02 AM »

Hi Trapper that's nice to know the reason being im in the middle of connecting my P.S.R 2100 to my S970 I wondered whether the second keyboard would record to the 970 .thankyou for your imformation

 Lofty (Dave ) from mid Wales
 

Offline traper2000

Re: PSR-S970 and second MIDI keyboard
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2017, 02:34:26 AM »
To be more precise... the change of SONG->LEFT is done in MIDI settings in tab RECEIVE.
It is better to create an own midi settings based on "All Parts"
Kris_(PL).