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Genos in Canada
« on: October 13, 2017, 07:25:53 AM »
This topic is specific to Canadians - although our friends from other countries are more than welcome to chime in :).

I spoke with Long and McQuade in Oshawa, Ontario yesterday (October 12, 2017) and they expect the Genos to be available in their stores across Canada the beginning of January. They anticipate the price to be $5,999. That is straight from their Yamaha rep in Toronto. Just a heads up for you.

For those outside Canada, Long and McQuade is the largest music store chain in Canada, with 50 stores. Their business model is among the best I've ever seen.
Current Gear: Tyros 5, Nord Electro 5D, SoundCraft mixer, two Bose L1 Compacts, 15 inch sub designed and built by myself, Yamaha HS8 studio monitors, Cubase 8 Artist, Steinberg UR-44.
 

Offline alans

Re: Genos in Canada
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2017, 07:42:27 AM »
Thats dissapointing for Genos buyers in Canada,is there any specific reason why you can't  get them sooner,apart from high demand in other countries ??
How does the price compare to US prices ?

Alan
Previous keyboards-Yamaha PSR 410,Technics KN2000,KN5000,KN6000 , KN7000 and Tyros5
 
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Re: Genos in Canada
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2017, 07:53:14 AM »
Hi Alan,

It seems three quarters of the world wants to live here, but so often we are last on the list to receive goods. I have know idea why that is, other than most companies favor the more populated countries. It really pisses me off to see a picture of 50 or 100 Genos keyboards sitting in an empty classroom somewhere in Asia, while we have to wait. Typically, all new Yamaha products reach us about 4 to 6 months after the rest of the world's users have scratch marks all over their keyboards. When I bought my T5 in 2014, the other countries had received them 6 months earlier, and I have it on pretty good faith that the day I picked mine up, there were only 6 in Canada!!!!!! Ridiculous!!! And of course, our wonderful government makes it impossible for us to buy from a U.S. dealer - mainly because of outrageous duty tax. We can't even buy a car in the U.S. without jumping through a billion legal hoops. Very sad...

The price is comparable to the U.S. as far as I know.
Current Gear: Tyros 5, Nord Electro 5D, SoundCraft mixer, two Bose L1 Compacts, 15 inch sub designed and built by myself, Yamaha HS8 studio monitors, Cubase 8 Artist, Steinberg UR-44.
 
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Offline Marcus

Re: Genos in Canada
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2017, 07:55:05 AM »
My Yamaha dealer here in the Niagara area also mentioned January, but said it could be sooner. US delivery was early, so maybe Canada isn't that far behind, typically a month. I keep clear of my local Long & McQuade store for large purchases, because they won't move or do a better price than their listed price. Maybe the larger Long & McQuade stores might negotiate if manager is present. I was given that $5,999 CAD($4,800 USD) quote as well, but can do a lot better.

Marcus
Gear: Triangle
 

Re: Genos in Canada
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2017, 08:08:56 AM »
Hopefully, you're right regarding the timing Marcus. I have spent so much money with Long and McQuade over the past 25 years, they will price match anyone out there. I far prefer them to the smaller stores because they give me great trade-in value. It saves me wasting hours and days with "tire kickers" on a private sale :). Plus, we only pay the outrageous HST (13%) on the difference. Wow, a break from the Canadian government and their wasteful ways - whoo-hoo - how rare!!!!!!!
« Last Edit: October 13, 2017, 08:10:33 AM by Lee Batchelor »
Current Gear: Tyros 5, Nord Electro 5D, SoundCraft mixer, two Bose L1 Compacts, 15 inch sub designed and built by myself, Yamaha HS8 studio monitors, Cubase 8 Artist, Steinberg UR-44.
 

Offline alans

Re: Genos in Canada
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2017, 08:19:51 AM »
In the western hemisphere it seems be US buyers will get theirs first,then mainland Europe and hopefully Uk buyers late OCT or very early NOV .
I sincerely hope Canadian buyers can get theirs ASAP.

Alan
Previous keyboards-Yamaha PSR 410,Technics KN2000,KN5000,KN6000 , KN7000 and Tyros5
 

Offline Marcus

Re: Genos in Canada
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2017, 08:30:37 AM »
Hopefully, you're right regarding the timing Marcus. I have spent so much money with Long and McQuade over the past 25 years, they will price match anyone out there. I far prefer them to the smaller stores because they give me great trade-in value. It saves me wasting hours and days with "tire kickers" on a private sale :). Plus, we only pay the outrageous HST (13%) on the difference. Wow, a break from the Canadian government and their wasteful ways - whoo-hoo - how rare!!!!!!!

I always done well with local classified ads selling my previous keyboards. Large population pool in the GTA area and southern Ontario. A Toronto Recording Studio bought my Tyros 4 from my Kijiji ad. Potential buyers just meet me in my garage (not in my home) with the board setup and deal only in cash. Kijji online service works great and can get a better difference than trading your board in. Smaller music stores won't even touch a TOTL arranger in a trade in, at least in my smaller city and area.

Marcus
Gear: Triangle
 

Re: Genos in Canada
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2017, 09:20:34 AM »
Good for you, Marcus. I live in a small town and am the only one with these levels of keyboards. The GTA is far away. I'm compelled to go the path of lesser resistance :).
Current Gear: Tyros 5, Nord Electro 5D, SoundCraft mixer, two Bose L1 Compacts, 15 inch sub designed and built by myself, Yamaha HS8 studio monitors, Cubase 8 Artist, Steinberg UR-44.
 

Offline mark fernando

Re: Genos in Canada
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2017, 12:42:02 PM »
Hi,

It is a sad story when getting latest electronics in Canada. Couple of years ago I lived & worked in Asia, Gulf countries and getting the latest technology is not an issue at all. After I migrated to Canada I had to spend about 30% more to get the same keyboards which I used earlier.

tks

Mark   
 

Re: Genos in Canada
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2017, 01:02:27 PM »
Hi Mark,

We are taxed to death in Canada, but I also realize we have some of the finest social programs anywhere in the world, hence, why people like to come here. I'm certainly not complaining, other than the fact the Canadian government wastes so much money and considers the public purse a bottomless pit. I'd wager much of that 30 percent price difference you saw was because of taxes at all levels of government.

On a less depressing note, I emailed my rep at Long and McQuade (L&M) to ask whether the delay on the Genos is really a Yamaha issue or an L&M issue. I think it's possible L&M is waiting on some verbal commitments from its loyal customers before purchasing a few Genos keyboards. I'll let you know what he says.

Thanks to all who are contributing to this discussion :)! I'm reasonably sure I'll be trading my T5. I'll just be "relatively" a little older than the same person who managed to get theirs first (LOL). Lucky you!
« Last Edit: October 13, 2017, 01:05:22 PM by Lee Batchelor »
Current Gear: Tyros 5, Nord Electro 5D, SoundCraft mixer, two Bose L1 Compacts, 15 inch sub designed and built by myself, Yamaha HS8 studio monitors, Cubase 8 Artist, Steinberg UR-44.
 

Offline porterma

Re: Genos in Canada
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2017, 04:09:55 PM »
Hi Lee,
Here in Vancouver we have both Tom Lee Music and Long and McQuade Music as the major retailers for guitars and keyboards.
Tom Lee has been stronger in carrying Yamaha Tyros keyboards in the past and they are who I purchased my Tyros 4 from.
All the information they have been able to tell me regarding "Genos" is that they have been promised that in November some time their keyboard sales staff will get to demo the new Genos.
No word on when they would be available for public purchase or what the cost will be.
However, I would be very surprised if they were not available sometime in December, before Christmas - January and February are not good months to try and sell a new product.
Do you have Tom Lee Music in the Toronto area ???

Thanks,

Mark
 

Re: Genos in Canada
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2017, 05:02:41 PM »
Hi Mark,

Thanks for chiming in. The only reference to Tom Lee Music is their Steinway stores in the Toronto area. So, I suppose not. However, what you say makes sense - L&M would be wise to push all keyboards, including Genos BEFORE Xmas. As mentioned, I sent that email into my rep at L&M Oshawa. I'll see if that pushes the Genos availability. Crap, we're the second largest country in the friggin' world. Why would Yamaha drag their feet to our market?? I'm really starting to suspect the delay is more at the music store level and their desire to NOT lay out the big bucks on the Genos. Why would they (even L&M) when their bread and butter market is the cheaper PSR pianos?
« Last Edit: October 13, 2017, 05:03:42 PM by Lee Batchelor »
Current Gear: Tyros 5, Nord Electro 5D, SoundCraft mixer, two Bose L1 Compacts, 15 inch sub designed and built by myself, Yamaha HS8 studio monitors, Cubase 8 Artist, Steinberg UR-44.
 

Offline Roland

Re: Genos in Canada
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2017, 05:28:04 PM »
Same here Lee - my L&M dealer in Calgary said that January he "might" see the Genos. I'll try to sell my Tyros 3 meantime on Kijii :-)  And don't get me started with this government and taxes -  I might just loose it - hehe  ::)  Cheers, Roland
 

Re: Genos in Canada
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2017, 06:17:51 PM »
Good stuff, Roland.

I still don't know why Canada is treated like the bottom of the toilet by Yamaha. It has been this way for EVERY new release keyboard I've bought in the past 25 years. We're always last. If the Canadian market is "so small," as the Yamaha rep from Toronto mentioned, then why the hell can't Yamaha spare 50 or so?? That would keep people like you and I happy. It's not like we want a product run of 5,000 - or maybe Canada has that many sales?? If Yamaha didn't have such a good product, I'd be looking elsewhere in a big hurry!
Current Gear: Tyros 5, Nord Electro 5D, SoundCraft mixer, two Bose L1 Compacts, 15 inch sub designed and built by myself, Yamaha HS8 studio monitors, Cubase 8 Artist, Steinberg UR-44.
 

Offline Roland

Re: Genos in Canada
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2017, 08:32:20 AM »
Hello Lee,

I can well understand your frustration - same here. But my thinking is that it's just typical Big Corporate thinking: They prioritize where they can get the "biggest bang for the buck" - it's just business - never mind priority one; "A happy customer - no matter where" :-) So what can we do about that in Canada? We go camping and fishing meantime - hehe.

Cheers, Roland
 

Offline Marcus

Re: Genos in Canada
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2017, 09:08:20 AM »
The wait isn't really bothering me, I got a good price and I am preparing my Christmas material for the upcoming Holiday season on my Tyros 5. I am learning a lot before hand from this fine forum and other demos and reading through the manuals.

I just got a new PC with Windows 10 and I can start fresh in the new year setting up the YEM for my Genos expected in January. Meanwhile I can still wait for the ongoing Expansion Pack upgrades, which are due within the coming weeks, and a shorter wait for the usual major firmware update that works out most of the startup bugs.

Once I get my Genos, I'll be busy (and happy) for years. Real exciting times in this modern era with the constant technological changes. Truly amazing times to be alive and thankful for what we got. Hopefully, and I pray things and conflicts around the world improve in the coming year. You can really sense polarizing forces around the world building towards something...I hope better than worse.

Marcus   
Gear: Triangle
 

Re: Genos in Canada
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2017, 07:02:52 PM »
Truly wise words, Roland and Marcus.

Roland - Big Corporate thinking =  corporate greed.

Marcus - me waiting on fresh technology pales in comparison to the crap that's going on all over the world...agreed...I can wait. The Genos is full of bugs anyway :)!
Current Gear: Tyros 5, Nord Electro 5D, SoundCraft mixer, two Bose L1 Compacts, 15 inch sub designed and built by myself, Yamaha HS8 studio monitors, Cubase 8 Artist, Steinberg UR-44.