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Offline usaraiya

Genos and MFC-10
« on: October 02, 2017, 07:20:59 PM »
Does Genos support MFC-10 Foot Controller which  T5 supported?

The specs avoided this, it should but I'm not sure?

 :)

Uday
 

Offline Marcus

Re: Genos and MFC-10
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2017, 07:37:21 PM »
I couldn't any reason why the Genos would not support the MFC-10. Yamaha appeared to put a lot of thought into the Genos and was very careful not to remove any important functions and features from previous arranger models.

You are correct that Yamaha left out the mention of the MFC-10 in the published Vital Specs list, but this list doesn't appear to be as comprehensive as the typical Specs list from the owners manual. The MFC-10 is a nice pedal unit. I cannot see why Yamaha would withdraw its support or fail to keep it in the Genos Function MIDI menu. Just have to wait for the more detailed Genos manuals and specs to make sure.

Marcus
Gear: Triangle
 

Re: Genos and MFC-10
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2017, 09:52:17 PM »
I couldn't any reason why the Genos would not support the MFC-10. Yamaha appeared to put a lot of thought into the Genos and was very careful not to remove any important functions and features from previous arranger models.

You are correct that Yamaha left out the mention of the MFC-10 in the published Vital Specs list, but this list doesn't appear to be as comprehensive as the typical Specs list from the owners manual. The MFC-10 is a nice pedal unit. I cannot see why Yamaha would withdraw its support or fail to keep it in the Genos Function MIDI menu. Just have to wait for the more detailed Genos manuals and specs to make sure.

Marcus

even if it doesn't have the menu inside the Genos.
You can always make it work programming the MFC10 with midi calls.
 

Offline voodoo

Re: Genos and MFC-10
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2017, 05:46:05 AM »
even if it doesn't have the menu inside the Genos.
You can always make it work programming the MFC10 with midi calls.

Yes, but by programming the midi cc not all functions are accessible that are in the t5 mfc10 menu. I tried the mfc10 with the s970 and sent it back because it was not helpful.

I hope that the Genos supports the pedal (by translating midi notes to internal functions not accessible by midi directly).
Yamaha Genos (finally)
Nord Electro 5D
 

Offline frankmusik

Re: Genos and MFC-10
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2017, 10:28:57 AM »
Hi Uday,
I made a small video with the midi pics ..
https://youtu.be/d3dqr9rhVW4
frank
Tyros Support in Germany
 

Offline DavidB

Re: Genos and MFC-10
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2017, 10:47:48 AM »
Very useful, thanks Frank.

I couldn't see anywhere on those screens where it said it was set up for the MFC10, just MIDI. I thought there would be dedicated MFC10 set up screen(s) like there is on the Tyros?

Or did I miss something?
Just don't mention Genos USB drive letter assignments :)
 

Offline usaraiya

Re: Genos and MFC-10
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2017, 11:15:24 AM »
Thank you so much for your effort, very useful.
 :)
Uday
 

Offline pjd

Re: Genos and MFC-10
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2017, 12:03:43 PM »
Hi --

Thanks, Frank!

Hey, that "External Controller" page looks interesting. Looks like the replacement for the Tyros MFC10 page.


CC/Note     Function          Part
----------  ----------------  ----------
CC#7/ -     Expression        Right1   
CC#1/ -     No Assign         Right1
CC#2/ -     No Assign         Right1
CC#3/ -     No Assign         Right1
CC#4/ -     No Assign         Right1
CC#0/C#-1   Style Start/Stop  -
CC#5/D-1    Fill Down         -
CC#6/Eb-1   Fill Self         -


I didn't realize that any old MIDI controller could be used in place of the MFC10! Having note number control opens up some interesting possibilities... Maybe use a Reface to control Genos?

-- pj
 

Offline tyrosaurus

Re: Genos and MFC-10
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2017, 02:15:52 PM »
Hi pj,

The MFC10 assignments made on the Tyros models, respond to MIDI notes generated externally on the designated channel, however they are produced!

I have even tried it successfully on my Tyros4 with notes sent from my computer, generated by MIDI-OX, so an external keyboard should work fine.

Unfortunately MIDI notes generated from the keyboard's internal Song Player do not work.

The GENOS screenshot in Frank's video seems to suggest that as an alternative to using notes, you can also send MIDI CCs instead, which is new!

Regards

Ian

 
 
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Offline Kari V

Re: Genos and MFC-10
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2017, 03:46:24 PM »

Unfortunately MIDI notes generated from the keyboard's internal Song Player do not work.


They would if you send the MIDI notes to MIDI out A and loop them back to MIDI in B. However, I don't know for what
purpose you would do that?
 

Offline pjd

Re: Genos and MFC-10
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2017, 04:07:50 PM »
Hi Kari --

With loop back, it would be way to control aspects of the Genos from the keyboard itself. That might be appealing to some folks.

On a related topic, I'd like to repurpose (via mapping or whatever) a few buttons or keys to control page turns in forScore or some other notation viewer app. Maybe send MIDI over wifi to an iPad app that can flip pages in response to MIDI. It would be great to do this without having to drag a dongle, wires or external interface to the gig. I've got enough wires already.  :)

All the best -- pj

Offline soryt

Re: Genos and MFC-10
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2017, 04:07:24 AM »
To be clear , there is not a dedicated MFC10 Page in the Midi set-up ?
You have to make youre own template's on the Genos ?
It would be a big "minor" for me  :-[

Soryt  :-\
Plays Tyros 5 & Nord electro 5
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Re: Genos and MFC-10
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2017, 04:42:33 AM »
Hi Uday,
I made a small video with the midi pics ..
https://youtu.be/d3dqr9rhVW4
frank

I like how you can assign a midi channel to upper and lower sounds.
Which i will use for connecting to my DAW and playing VST's.

I am going to change my Pc's audio interface, to be compatible with the Genos digital out.

Now, this leaves me with a question about V-console.
What outputs does it use on Tyros 5?
I hope it doesn't use the upper and the lower outputs.

 

Offline zionip

Re: Genos and MFC-10
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2017, 10:53:41 AM »
Does Genos support MFC-10 Foot Controller which  T5 supported?

The specs avoided this, it should but I'm not sure?

 :)

Uday

Hi Uday,

Yamaha has the following instruction published to program MFC-10 buttons to trigger style play control for PSR and Tyros lines of arrangers,  I configured my MFC-10 the same way for Genos and it works flawlessly:
http://faq.yamaha.com/us/en/article/musical-instruments/keyboards/arranger_workstations/psr-s910/427/7187/

lacobo posted a very helpful message about setting up the expression pedal of the MFC-10 for volume control, I programmed mine accordingly and it works and has replaced my previous volume foot controller, freeing up the volume pedal port on Genos for other assignable functions:
https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,31526.msg234617.html#msg234617

lacobo said:
"To Program the Foot pedal: (the volume pedal on the right side of the MFC-10)
1 Hit button 1 of the MFC10 in F-mode (F01 appears in the display)
2 Press the FC Edit button
3 Set the Status to bF (+ FC Edit button)
4 Set DataContrl to 007 (+ FC Edit button)
5 Set Max to 127 (+ FC Edit button)
6 Set Min to 0 or higher (+ FC Edit button)
7 Press the Write/Exit button
8 Press the Inc/Yes button to save the setting
9 Set in the PSR-S970 the receiving midi-channel A16 to Keyboard  <-- On Genos, the default midi channel for this is already A16.

And voilla, you can alter the volume of the voices you play."

Now my foot pedal controllers for Genos, include MFC10 for style triggers and overall volume control, M-Audio SP-Triple pedals for sustain, and other assignable functions:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/w47cKpQMHt9VRuKp1

In the above button programming process, the MFC-10 does not even have to be connected to Genos.  After you finish programming, just connected the MIDI out of MFC-10 to MIDI in (MIDI A) of the Genos and you can trigger style play and volume control right away.

Paul

« Last Edit: November 16, 2017, 10:56:14 AM by zionip »
 

Offline Nunnus

Re: Genos and MFC-10
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2017, 01:25:29 PM »
It works! but badly or im missing something....


the SP buttons, for song control dont works!!! big fail, if im not missing something, because in manual yamaha say that is possible to control the sp buttons by midi message

the rest of comands seems to work ok
 

Offline usaraiya

Re: Genos and MFC-10
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2017, 07:17:21 PM »
Thank you, Paul & Lacobo for  the instructions in programming the MFC-10.
It works great for the Genos!

 :)

Uday
 

Offline Joe H

Re: Genos and MFC-10
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2017, 07:23:26 PM »
This same question came up recently on another thread.  I believe the Genos manual refers to an "external MIDI device"  because there are other MIDI controllers than can transmit the sysex Style Control messages and continuous controllers that the MFC-10 does.

Joe H
« Last Edit: November 30, 2017, 02:18:03 PM by Joe H »
Music is the Universal Language!

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Offline lacobo

Re: Genos and MFC-10
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2017, 01:55:41 PM »
Picked up my Genos yesterday. Now reading my own instructions to get the good old MFC10 working  :)
And within minutes it indeed was controlling the Genos.

Bert.


http://www.lacobo.com/kb-site: Berts Tyros5 page.
 

Offline Nunnus

Re: Genos and MFC-10
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2017, 06:48:17 AM »
Picked up my Genos yesterday. Now reading my own instructions to get the good old MFC10 working  :)
And within minutes it indeed was controlling the Genos.

Bert.

can you check if you can control the sp1-sp4 buttons? because I can't, 
thank you
 

Offline tyrosaurus

Re: Genos and MFC-10
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2017, 08:38:25 AM »
According to the Genos Reference Manual, the Song Pointers and Looping functions can be assigned to notes received from the external controller (MFC-10) if you set it to send notes to the keyboard on the same MIDI port/channel that is set for the controller on the relevant Genos MIDI page. 

There is a list of assignable On/Off switch functions 'Functions that Respond to On/Off Input' starting on page 140 of the Reference Manual.  The Song Pointers are at the very end of the list (on page 141).  Presumably they will also be at the end of the list displayed on the Genos.

The entry in the list says:

"Song Control SP 14, Loop.      Same as the Song Position Markers [1][4] and [Loop] in the Song Player display."

Are you saying that this doesn't work for you?


Regards

Ian
 

Offline Nunnus

Re: Genos and MFC-10
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2017, 10:23:40 AM »
According to the Genos Reference Manual, the Song Pointers and Looping functions can be assigned to notes received from the external controller (MFC-10) if you set it to send notes to the keyboard on the same MIDI port/channel that is set for the controller on the relevant Genos MIDI page. 

There is a list of assignable On/Off switch functions 'Functions that Respond to On/Off Input' starting on page 140 of the Reference Manual.  The Song Pointers are at the very end of the list (on page 141).  Presumably they will also be at the end of the list displayed on the Genos.

The entry in the list says:

"Song Control SP 14, Loop.      Same as the Song Position Markers [1][4] and [Loop] in the Song Player display."

Are you saying that this doesn't work for you?


Regards

Ian
isn't working working,

all seems to work fine except this command, probably a firmware issue, that's why I ask if someone tried and if works, because I couldn't...
 

Offline zionip

Re: Genos and MFC-10
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2017, 01:31:05 PM »
isn't working working,

all seems to work fine except this command, probably a firmware issue, that's why I ask if someone tried and if works, because I couldn't...

Hi Nunnus,

You said that it is not working.  Did you mean that you know the MIDI CC / note values corresponding to the SP1 to SP4 buttons?  Can you share what MIDI messages / control / program change values you used for SP1, SP2, SP3, and SP4 buttons correspondingly on Genos?  I could not find any such information on Yamaha's published manuals.  P. 141 of Genos reference manual mentioned it without showing the corresponding MIDI CC / note values.  I looked into the Data List menu of Genos, but could not find anything relevant to this either.

There is also no corresponding MIDI CC / note values provided for SP1 to SP4 buttons in the following Genos menu path:
Menu - Menu2 - MIDI - External Controller

We discussed this on the following thread and you have not replied my question yet:
https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,41328.msg325304.html#msg325304

Thanks,
Paul
 

Offline Nunnus

Re: Genos and MFC-10
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2017, 06:17:34 PM »
Hi Nunnus,

You said that it is not working.  Did you mean that you know the MIDI CC / note values corresponding to the SP1 to SP4 buttons?  Can you share what MIDI messages / control / program change values you used for SP1, SP2, SP3, and SP4 buttons correspondingly on Genos?  I could not find any such information on Yamaha's published manuals.  P. 141 of Genos reference manual mentioned it without showing the corresponding MIDI CC / note values.  I looked into the Data List menu of Genos, but could not find anything relevant to this either.

There is also no corresponding MIDI CC / note values provided for SP1 to SP4 buttons in the following Genos menu path:
Menu - Menu2 - MIDI - External Controller

We discussed this on the following thread and you have not replied my question yet:
https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,41328.msg325304.html#msg325304

Thanks,
Paul

Hello Paul,

I worked with the mfc10 very well with T3 to T5 now with Genos is like I said before, as soons as I can have a tyros 5 with me again I will see it in detail, but like I said is nothing to much only a cc## or note number,

I can send you a small video with this problem in genos, I already send it to yamaha,


ps: I miss my tyros5 in several things.... :-(
 

Offline jpcoco

Re: Genos and MFC-10
« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2017, 05:31:04 AM »
Hi,
I want to program the MFC-10 so that the foot controller activate the pitch bend. The MFC-10 manual says to enter the code EF but it does not work. Have you got a solution?
Thanks
Jean Paul
Tyros 5 - Korg Kronos