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Offline chikitin

Playing Intro 4 and Ending 4 on PSR
« on: September 02, 2017, 05:18:57 PM »
Hi,

In the style creator, Intro 4 and Ending 4 can be selected on the display then created as your original Style although they are not available on the panel. They are not available to the foot pedal either.

I was wondering how I could use them.

CS
 

Offline Enildo

Re: Playing Intro 4 and Ending 4 on PSR
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2017, 02:09:57 PM »
Hello my brother! I think that the answer there are in this link: https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php?topic=20973.0
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Offline Jørgen

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Offline EileenL

Re: Playing Intro 4 and Ending 4 on PSR
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2017, 06:49:29 AM »
You can't use them. I think they were there originally so that if Yamaha decided to add them to there styles in the future they would be there ready and waiting.

Offline Jørgen

Re: Playing Intro 4 and Ending 4 on PSR
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2017, 07:09:45 AM »
Hi

Wrong!

Use my Style Intro4 and Ending4 software at http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/style4parts/index.htm

Jørgen  ;)
The Unofficial YAMAHA Keyboard Resource Site at http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha
- since 1999
 

Offline torben

Re: Playing Intro 4 and Ending 4 on PSR
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2017, 07:38:20 AM »
Hi Eileen

With all due respect. I believe that Jorgen is the person who best knows what can be done and not be done here. HE is the IT expert. Contrary to me and you ...  :P

Regards

Torben
Tyros 5 was my choice - now it is Genos !
 

Offline Joe H

Re: Playing Intro 4 and Ending 4 on PSR
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2017, 08:38:45 AM »
I tried Jorgen's software and it works.  Since then I wrote the sysex strings on 2 buttons of  my Peavey PC1600x hardware controller to trigger the Intro4 and Ending 4   This also works well.  For anyone who has a hardware controller I encourage you to try it for yourself. The sysex strings are in the Data List book for your keyboard shown in the Section Control Table

Nice work Jorgen!

 8)

Joe H
« Last Edit: November 25, 2017, 08:42:48 AM by Joe H »
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Offline Jørgen

Re: Playing Intro 4 and Ending 4 on PSR
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2017, 08:42:40 AM »
Hi Torben and Joe

Thanks for clarifying this... ;D

Jørgen
The Unofficial YAMAHA Keyboard Resource Site at http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha
- since 1999
 

Offline Joe H

Re: Playing Intro 4 and Ending 4 on PSR
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2017, 08:47:51 AM »
I'm surprised that the Intro 4 and Ending 4 were not implemented on the Genos.  These 2 Sections are very useful.

 ???

Joe H
Music is the Universal Language!

My Article: Using Multi Pads for EDM. Download Regs, Styles & MPs:  http://psrtutorial.com/music/articles/dancemusic.html
 

Offline Jørgen

Re: Playing Intro 4 and Ending 4 on PSR
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2017, 08:56:22 AM »
Hi

A bigger surprise is that these two parts have been ready to use for ages...

Check manual for PSR 3000...

Jørgen
The Unofficial YAMAHA Keyboard Resource Site at http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha
- since 1999
 

Offline Jeff Hollande

Re: Playing Intro 4 and Ending 4 on PSR
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2017, 08:57:30 AM »
Gonna try this prog tomorrow morning ! 👍👍👍
Thank you so much, Joergen !

Jeff
DAWS MAC & WIN
 

Offline Joe H

Re: Playing Intro 4 and Ending 4 on PSR
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2017, 09:13:46 AM »
Jørgen,

So does mean you will be creating software to support (edit) Intro 4 and Ending 4?

 ;D

Joe H
Music is the Universal Language!

My Article: Using Multi Pads for EDM. Download Regs, Styles & MPs:  http://psrtutorial.com/music/articles/dancemusic.html
 

Offline XeeniX

Re: Playing Intro 4 and Ending 4 on PSR
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2017, 09:26:13 AM »
Hi,

They will be there for a reason else why put them there in the first place :) What that reason is? Who knows perhaps they forgot to remove them or foudn it easier to have an extra slot in a style for testing new intro's? And it doesn't matter :)  Fact is that they are there and  now ready for actual use thanks to that neat little program Jørgen crafted. It only has two buttons you can use ;)

What we can do with yet another intro and ending? Well I can think of a few things. The professional musician with enough arranger/midi knowledge could program his own creations there (a bridge for example). But you don't need to be an expert to find use or just haver fun with it. I'm no expert in both the player part and the midi/arranger part but I do like to fiddle around under the hood to see what's possible on my keyboard. I like to learn and use as much as possible on my keyboard. This just being one of these fun things.  Most if us know I think that you can exchange style parts from one style to another or intro's and endings from other styles. Well here is a very good way to try your exotic combinations of style A with an intro and ending from style B without the need to erase the first 3 intro's and endings. You could do that already of course but there was no way testing outside style creator while actually playing a song to test drive your creation leaving the original intro/endings/parts of intro's ending's intact. Now you can push intro 3 right after intro 4 is done while the intro details are still in our head.

It might not be a shocking expansion of your keyboard as you know it but it is something that couldn't be done and yet .... Now it can ;)


**EDIT)) Jeez I type too slow and too much haha... while typing about 5 more replies were posted. So forgive me for being obsolete here and uh, confusing :p

regards,
Peter 8)
« Last Edit: November 25, 2017, 09:37:13 AM by XeeniX »

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Offline Jørgen

Re: Playing Intro 4 and Ending 4 on PSR
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2017, 09:29:59 AM »
Jørgen,

So does mean you will be creating software to support (edit) Intro 4 and Ending 4?

 ;D

Joe H

Hi

You can use the keyboard Style Creator or a computer sequencer software for this.

Updating my style software programs are in progress...  ;)

Jørgen
The Unofficial YAMAHA Keyboard Resource Site at http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha
- since 1999
 

Offline Jørgen

Re: Playing Intro 4 and Ending 4 on PSR
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2017, 09:50:58 AM »
Hi

The "new" Intro 4 and Ending 4 can be used as intro and ending respectively. But these "new" parts - just like the "old" intros and endings - can be used as "long" fills , breaks, bridges etc.

By definition the length of Fill In parts must be 1 measure long.

To create a Fill In of any length we can use one of the Intro parts (which can be any length) instead.
 
When playing we have to think ahead, as an Intro part will start AFTER the current measure, while a normal Fill part will be run IMMEDIATELY when the Fill button is pressed. After the intro the keyboard will resume playing the same Main part as were used when the Intro was called.

Just as well, an Ending part can be used for a long Fill In of any length.

When playing we have to think ahead, as an Ending part will start AFTER the current measure AND will stop the style after finishing the part, UNLESS a Main part button is clicked and selected. If so, the keyboard will resume playing this Main part after finishing the Ending.

If you use an Ending part as a Fill - normal or "long" - make sure that the last measure of the Ending part is a full measure long. Otherwise you will get a timing problem. This is done automatically in the Style Creator, but if you use a sequencer software for style creation be aware of this requirement: Remember to place the MIDI End command at the very last tick of a measure.

Happy styling...

Jørgen
The Unofficial YAMAHA Keyboard Resource Site at http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha
- since 1999
 

Offline pjd

Re: Playing Intro 4 and Ending 4 on PSR
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2017, 09:54:44 AM »
So does mean you will be creating software to support (edit) Intro 4 and Ending 4?

When I converted the DJXII patterns, I parked the extra phrases that were left over in INTRO4 and ENDING4. Using a DAW, it's just a matter of creating the MIDI markers.

Jørgen is right on. In creating "DJ styles", the INTROs act like extended BREAK sections.

-- pj

Offline Joe H

Re: Playing Intro 4 and Ending 4 on PSR
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2017, 10:00:58 AM »
To be honest... I do my arrangements in registration banks.  So there is NO limit to the number of style Sections we can use (2 or more styles) and lots of Multi Pads as well.  With multiple styles used in registrations we have access to MANY Intros, Fill Ins, Mains and Endings.

 ;)

Joe H
Music is the Universal Language!

My Article: Using Multi Pads for EDM. Download Regs, Styles & MPs:  http://psrtutorial.com/music/articles/dancemusic.html
 

Offline Jørgen

Re: Playing Intro 4 and Ending 4 on PSR
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2017, 10:13:09 AM »
Joe

There are NO limits...
It's only a matter of getting some commands sent from one place to another place.
You can control anything without hardware buttons ...
My contribution is intended for a very small and simple setup.

Jørgen
The Unofficial YAMAHA Keyboard Resource Site at http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha
- since 1999
 

Offline Jørgen

Re: Playing Intro 4 and Ending 4 on PSR
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2017, 04:00:09 AM »
Hi

Now 8 of my software programs are ready for the new "hidden" style parts "Intro 4" and "Ending 4". More on http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/index.htm

I'm working on "Music Finder File Manager" to reveal some more of Yamaha's undocumented data formats; and on "midi2style" where there are big space issues on the interface. And in the latter the code is more than 50,000 lines long. Oh no....

My other 31 software programs are not expected to be affected by the "hidden" style parts. If it is affected, then I'll solve these issues.

Enjoy

Jørgen
The Unofficial YAMAHA Keyboard Resource Site at http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha
- since 1999
 
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Offline XeeniX

Re: Playing Intro 4 and Ending 4 on PSR
« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2017, 04:21:40 AM »
Go go go gadget Sørensen! :D

Thanks,

Peter 8)

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