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Offline J. Larry

Re: Not Long Now. New Yamaha Flagship Keyboard On Its Way!
« Reply #50 on: July 30, 2017, 02:31:39 PM »
For those who appreciate and enjoy a more contemporary type of music, are there not better tools and gear for that than arranger keyboards?    If itís true that the majority of us arranger buyers are oldies, why would Yamaha turn their back on this group who have supported them through the years?  Should the Genos appear, some bright person calculate and post how much of it represents a more modern approach to music vs the older, more established musical styles.  Might it be 50/50, or tilted in a particular direction? 
 

Offline billtracy

Re: Not Long Now. New Yamaha Flagship Keyboard On Its Way!
« Reply #51 on: July 30, 2017, 02:57:29 PM »
For those who appreciate and enjoy a more contemporary type of music, are there not better tools and gear for that than arranger keyboards?    If itís true that the majority of us arranger buyers are oldies, why would Yamaha turn their back on this group who have supported them through the years?  Should the Genos appear, some bright person calculate and post how much of it represents a more modern approach to music vs the older, more established musical styles.  Might it be 50/50, or tilted in a particular direction?

I think folks like Bachus and Joe are looking for a blend of workstation and arranger features in one board. But I agree that Yamaha will not turn their back on the oldies just yet. Too many are invested in the Yamaha system figuratively and financially for that. And the oldies have money to spend and can do that with the push of a button on the Internet. They also have more buying power than the newbies. All of this is why I think that Genos, if it really is a new arranger line, will only move toward the newbies in an incremental manner.
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Offline Jeff Hollande

Re: Not Long Now. New Yamaha Flagship Keyboard On Its Way!
« Reply #52 on: July 30, 2017, 03:12:22 PM »
Up to now young musicians mostly do not like arranger keyboards. They prefer synths instead. Even when they are not playing in a band.

In their eyes an arranger keyboard is not a real instrument. They say it is more or less a kind of juke box instead of an instrument and not suitable for their modern music.

It is hard to convince them ... worse ... they refuse to play the
present arranger keyboards.

If Yamaha want also to sell their arr kbs to young people changes are a must, I guess.

On the other hand Yami are aware their most important customers are people like we are.

Hopefully Yami are solving this problem by offering a product that makes younger and older people happy.

Wishful thinking ? I really do not know. Time will tell.

Jeff
« Last Edit: July 30, 2017, 03:15:59 PM by Jeff Hollande »
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Offline EileenL

Re: Not Long Now. New Yamaha Flagship Keyboard On Its Way!
« Reply #53 on: July 30, 2017, 03:30:07 PM »
I have to agree with the above. Yamaha know there customer base very well and that most sales here in UK as well as Germany and other countries are largely retired people who want to either take up a new hobby or continue with something they did in earlier life. 

Offline jimlaing

Re: Not Long Now. New Yamaha Flagship Keyboard On Its Way!
« Reply #54 on: July 31, 2017, 05:43:55 AM »
Hi ... interesting conversations!  I'm 58, but my beard is starting to turn white!  :-)
Have been playing Arranger keyboards for ~20-someting years.  One thing I notice,
as I visit with friends and their families, etc., is that many people "our age" brought their
kids up on "classic rock" and "oldies" etc., so I know a lot of kids, from teenagers to young
adults in their 20s and 30s, who LOVE classic rock,and  music from 1950s-1980s, etc. 

I had a music party at my house a couple of months ago; a close friend brought his daughter (Age ~16) and
she had her boyfriend with her (Age ~17) - and the first song they wanted me to play (so they could
sing it) was "Fly Me To The Moon"!  (I even have a video, maybe I can post is someday).  Then they
had me play dozens of songs from the 1960s-1980s, they sang along to all of them.  Another friend (of that family) who came by that same night, was a "wiz" guitar player (VERY good), about 18 years old.  He was ripping through song after song (I played arranger, he played guitar over it) of classic rock songs mostly from 1960s-1980s.  And he asked for a few "Sinatra songs" as he called them!

So there are at least *some* very young folks who still love (and play or sing) the songs from ~50+ years ago!

Just thought I'd share this little story ... we had a blast; me at 58, playing music for teenagers who were
also amazed at what an arranger keyboard can do (they didn't even know such keyboards exist until they saw/heard mine) ...

Jim
Raleigh, NC, USA / Genos / Tyros5-61 / Lucas Nana 600 / other stuff
 

Offline pjd

Re: Not Long Now. New Yamaha Flagship Keyboard On Its Way!
« Reply #55 on: July 31, 2017, 06:18:04 AM »
"retired people who want to either take up a new hobby or continue with something they did in earlier life."

God bless us one and all.  :)  :)

-- pj
 

Offline Jeff Hollande

Re: Not Long Now. New Yamaha Flagship Keyboard On Its Way!
« Reply #56 on: July 31, 2017, 06:27:42 AM »
Hi Jim,

I love your story !
Thanks , Jeff

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Offline soundphase

Re: Not Long Now. New Yamaha Flagship Keyboard On Its Way!
« Reply #57 on: July 31, 2017, 06:41:25 AM »
There is good music and bad music in all decades.

For me, it is worth enjoying new melodies and rhythms, rather than always playing the same good old renditions.  And,... we all know good old stuffs that are reworked in good new stuffs ...

I'm not retired yet, but I'm no longer young. I hope I will always like listening to and playing new hits on my keyboards.

But, for this, arrangers must continue to be completed by newer styles and sounds, and ... should not only stay sticked on classical or 40's~70's styles, with better sound quality.

So, I hope Genos will include what will allow me to easily play modern styles without too much programming efforts.... and even better sounds.

Regards
Soundphase.

Offline Joe H

Re: Not Long Now. New Yamaha Flagship Keyboard On Its Way!
« Reply #58 on: July 31, 2017, 08:05:12 AM »
The folks who like oldies music should not feel threatened by the idea of Yamaha offering more contemporary content... after all, they never take the old stuff away, they just add new content and new features.

So relax... I'm sure almost everyone will be happy with the new board... only those who are NEVER happy will continue to complain no matter how good the next machine will be.

 ;)

Joe H
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Offline Jeff Hollande

Re: Not Long Now. New Yamaha Flagship Keyboard On Its Way!
« Reply #59 on: July 31, 2017, 08:48:59 AM »
Hi Soundphase,

I am almost sure the Genos will bring you what you want.😆

A typical Yamaha upgrade : a new look in Black and dark Grey colour, additional new styles and updated older styles.
Maybe a new style structure, an improved sound, improved piano, organ, guitar, sax, and drums voices,
 better speakers, a touch screen, a new stand and a few new features. The same T5 VH.

No Montage features, maybe a similar touch screen.

Nothing spectacular, a very traditional Yamaha arr kb made for the older home player.

The enduser price will be higher.

That is what the Genos will bring us, I guess.
Time will tell if I am right.

Jeff, The Soothsayer 😉
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Offline mikf

Re: Not Long Now. New Yamaha Flagship Keyboard On Its Way!
« Reply #60 on: July 31, 2017, 09:12:11 AM »
Exactly right Joe.  Arrranger keyboards will continue to focus on live playing using auto accompaniment and to do this as a market leader they have to keep adding new styles, improving sounds. They will also add and improve features which allow more adventurous users to edit styles, and perform better. Many of these features will overlap what is available on workstation keyboards, and smart people will be able to do some of what can be done on a workstation on an arranger. But  I believe that predicting that arrangers and workstations will merge in the future, and Genos will be a step in that direction is wrong because their core purpose, and therefore their core users, are different. I expect Genos to be a step change in arrangers, not a step towards a single keyboard to replace arrangers and workstations.
Mike

Offline EileenL

Re: Not Long Now. New Yamaha Flagship Keyboard On Its Way!
« Reply #61 on: August 01, 2017, 12:42:50 PM »
Yes Mike I agree.