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Re: V console
« Reply #50 on: October 11, 2017, 05:36:48 AM »
Yes, the V-Console is very powerful; it gives you A LOT of control over the sounds you use, including fairly deep editing of many parameters.  It also supports key ranges (splits), velocity mapping, octave coupling, and the ability to make Registrations of all of this, for up to 8 additional Parts.  And it integrates (if you want) with Registrations on Tyros, so that Tyros can make V-Console change its registrations "on command", or you can have V-Console change Registrations on Tyros if you want (as you change the Registrations you have on V-Console).  And the interface seems very easy to use, esp. given how many things you can do / modify /specify with V-Console.

I'd say, from using it, that a LOT of thought and work went into it, I can see where it has to cost a good amount, for all the programming efforts and interface work etc. that went into it.  I feel that I've only "scratched the surface" of what V-Console can do.

It should be even better with Genos, since Genos has dedicated DSPs for all the "Song" voices, which is what V-Console uses.  And (maybe) more polyphony.

Jim

Yes, if i choose the Genos, V-console will definitely be part of my new setup.
Its good to see that we finally can buy the software without the hardware
It should just run fine on my Microsoft tablet.

So when i use the V-console, i can not play midi songs?
(i can live with that)

Also wondering if i can set up in a way that upper plays what the R1 and R2 play. Lower plays what left plays
and Bass plays what i play on the R3 (which i often use as the top voice to the far left of my keyboard trough 2nd split.
« Last Edit: October 11, 2017, 05:41:45 AM by Spirit of the old South »
 

Offline Mike Lowell

Re: V console
« Reply #51 on: October 15, 2017, 06:12:53 AM »
Take a Look

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa26oAcFzgY

I like TyrosMagic's Registration Bank offerings as inspiration to learn a new genre - here's a recent October, 2017 John Beesley Broadway-focused upload:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYSfIXC7OXo

Hmmm - this is a year's practice!
 

Jeff Hollande

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Re: V console
« Reply #52 on: October 15, 2017, 06:38:17 AM »
Thank you so much, Jim for your very interesting feedback.
It is always very useful and funny for me to learn something.


Jeff
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Offline keyplayer

Re: V console
« Reply #53 on: November 02, 2017, 08:28:28 PM »
Well, I met John Beesley last weekend, what a very helpful and clever man he is. I had a one to one demonstration of V-Console and bought one on the spot. It looks incredible with what it can do and comes with all neccesary cables and connections plus very comprehensive instructions. So far I've connected everything up, set up the MIDI and have been using it with the supplied registrations. I was concerned at first that I wouln't be able to play with the regs I've created over the last 2 years but everything is still working perfectly despite the original TRX MIDI platform having been deleted during set up. I can see just how useful it's going to be with my system when I have time to link it to my own regs. Just being able to split the lower keyboard and use more sounds on the bass pedals is a bonus.
 
John says it works OK with Genos but he is also working on upgrading it to be completely compatable with the extra reg 2 buttons etc. In the meantime I've got enough to keep me quiet for hours whilst I save up for my Genos.   

If anybody else is considering one as I have been for about a year, I would say go for it, it is straightforward to connect up, easy to set up and logical to use.
Pam

Offline Roger Brenizer

Re: V console
« Reply #54 on: November 02, 2017, 09:33:57 PM »
Thank you for the report, Pam.  What a wonderful experience that must have been for you to meet John.  :)
"Music Is My Life"
My best regards,
Roger

(The older I get...the better I used to be...LOL!!!)
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Offline Mike W

Re: V console
« Reply #55 on: November 03, 2017, 12:48:26 AM »
Pam, thanks for that update.  I've purchased other software from John B and have been very impressed.  I'm glad to hear he is working on upgrading V console for Genos.  With the extra polyphony of Genos it will be very powerful.

Keep saving up for Genos- IMO it is worth every penny for the upgrade, though T5 is an incredible arranger too!
 

Re: V console
« Reply #56 on: December 07, 2017, 05:42:32 AM »
Well, I met John Beesley last weekend, what a very helpful and clever man he is. I had a one to one demonstration of V-Console and bought one on the spot. It looks incredible with what it can do and comes with all neccesary cables and connections plus very comprehensive instructions. So far I've connected everything up, set up the MIDI and have been using it with the supplied registrations. I was concerned at first that I wouln't be able to play with the regs I've created over the last 2 years but everything is still working perfectly despite the original TRX MIDI platform having been deleted during set up. I can see just how useful it's going to be with my system when I have time to link it to my own regs. Just being able to split the lower keyboard and use more sounds on the bass pedals is a bonus.
 
John says it works OK with Genos but he is also working on upgrading it to be completely compatable with the extra reg 2 buttons etc. In the meantime I've got enough to keep me quiet for hours whilst I save up for my Genos.   

If anybody else is considering one as I have been for about a year, I would say go for it, it is straightforward to connect up, easy to set up and logical to use.
Pam

Thank you Pam..

I plan to buy this after i have my Genos (which i am still saving up for)
And using my Roland FP90 as the lower keyboard. No pedals.

Maybe i am a just as excited for this new tool as for the Genos itselves.
It should add a whole new level of integration between the 2 keyboards.
 

Offline Togge

Re: V console
« Reply #57 on: December 16, 2017, 05:07:10 PM »
Seems to be great and very cheap considering the added functionallity.
To bad it doesn't seem to be versions for the PSR-series also.
 

Offline Bobjmanchester

Re: V console
« Reply #58 on: July 16, 2018, 12:19:28 PM »
Hi, I知 a complete newbie to the forum so I hope you値l be gentle!
I知 a little over 70 years young and I come from a background of playing and (once) building Wersi organs.
I love the Tyros 5 and if it works well the V Console could be just what I want.
No movement on this for so long though.
Any updates from users?
Please?!

Regards Bob.

 

Offline keyplayer

Re: V console
« Reply #59 on: July 25, 2018, 06:50:06 PM »
Hi Bob (and others interested in V-Console),
I've just seen your post and it has prompted me to give an update of my experience with this fantastic piece of add-on equipment/programme to my T5 TRX set up.
I find it has opened up a whole new world of ease of creativity to my playing in terms of being able to utilise, to my advantage, all the voices from the T5 which are loaded into the console when you buy it. All voices have editing facilities like the T5 and edits can be saved within the console's voice map. I also imported my own edited voices from the T5.
I can now set up 8 additional voices of my choice to use on any of my 2 keyboards or bass pedals - on all 3 at once if I want! I can split these 8 voices to sound within any area of keys/pedals, at whatever octave I choose and can easily be turned on or off whilst playing.  The only restriction is polyphony but it's not been a big problem for me.
The 8 voices combination settings can be saved to a registration memory on the console, there are 8 memory buttons on each bank and I can create as many banks as I want.
R1,2,3 and left voices on the keyboard can still be used, including the R3 split if I want, and stored in the registration buttons and banks of the keyboard as normal.
Registration buttons from both keyboard and console can be used in conjunction with each other. However, if I want to set up a 'link' for a registration button on the keyboard to automatically select a registration button on the console (or visa versa) the operation works through the left voice of the keyboard and so that sound is then automatically set to 0 so no sound from that - not a problem because I have voices to use from the console to assign to left (or lower).
I will admit that after a couple of weeks I was beginning to find it all a bit frustrating because I had to keep consulting the instruction book (very comprehensive) and found that I needed to write down a few notes of my own because I couldn't remember how to do various things I had done just a few days previously, there was so much I was discovering that I wanted to do with it! I also had to get used to using a touch screen tablet and stop getting confused that my T5 screen is not touch sensitive and also whether I should be pressing save on the keyboard or the tablet!!
With hindsight (hmm) I wish I had spent more time trying out all the features of the V-Console instead of being very specific about how I thought I wanted to use it, but 9 months down the line and that is all in the past. I have discovered the dos and don'ts, made my mistakes (oops that still happens sometimes!), emailed John Beesley a couple of times to put me straight (very helpful) and I now very much enjoy the versatility with voices that it gives me.

Downside? Yep, lots of cables and connections especially as I have 2 keyboards and pedals connected through MIDI too, but it doesn't put me off! I can hide them if I ever get round to it.

Bob, I obviously don't use the V-Console with just the T5 by itself so perhaps somebody else can add that experience to this post. Basically all I can say is that things will work the same as usual but you can add extra voices wherever you want and it will open up a whole new world for you. If you are used to working with the T5 operating system and can follow and understand the instructions and explanations it shouldn't take long to get used to the console too. I find it easy to use now I've explored many options (probably more for me to realise yet!!) and an interesting and enjoyable challenge - I've learned a lot along the way.

I too would be interested in hearing other users views, good or not so good, perhaps we can help each other to realise more of the potential of this 'add on'. What I've written above is quite general in some ways, I'm happy to elaborate if anybody is more interested.

John Beesley has also completed the update compatible with Genos. I have a friend with this combination and it sounds fantastic.

Pam
 
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Offline Bobjmanchester

Re: V console
« Reply #60 on: August 29, 2018, 06:01:11 PM »

Hi Pam.
Well thanks very much for that very comprehensive and positive reply.
I知 very glad to hear you are enjoying the V Console.
I agree it would be very interesting to hear from some other users.
Looks like I値l be robbing the piggy bank again!

Bob.
 

Offline jwyvern

Re: V console
« Reply #61 on: September 18, 2018, 02:02:23 PM »
Hi Pam,
You clearly endorse the benefits of V-Console for your extra manual and pedal setups.
I have for some time been intrigued with the idea of being able to use extra voice parts for live playing, but since I don't use the full organ setup, just straight keyboard for a range of ensembles, my needs are (l think) more modest. So I set about seeing what was practical using the midi channels on the keyboard (now Genos).
Although strictly speaking it is not direct experience with VC, here is a Iink to a post giving my experience of using extra voices, so far.

http://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,46654.msg366985.html#msg366985

John
 

Offline MIKEP

Re: V console
« Reply #62 on: September 21, 2018, 02:49:39 PM »
Hi John
I am quite fascinated by your experimentation using the song channels to provide additional voices. I have a Genos with a Hammond pedal board operated through midi and utilising a song channel. Can you give us interested readers a simple step by step guide on how to achieve the extra voices please?
Thank you.
Mike
 

Offline keyplayer

Re: V console
« Reply #63 on: September 21, 2018, 08:26:14 PM »
Hi John, that all sounds quite complicated to me, not being too much of a technical person especially when it comes to MIDI. I'm sure it must be OK when you understand it! Is there a problem with polyphony do you think if the sounds are getting lost? The thing about the V-console is that you can see it all on the tablet screen so voices can easily be turned on/off onto any area of the keyboard(s) whilst you're playing and you can still have the keyboard screen open to whichever page you want. The V-console voices can be used either in addition with any registration bank on the keyboard (which I think helps with being able to be more flexible and varied with more voices when I want to just 'sit and play') or linked to a specific bank on the keyboard for more creativity, and also means that the left sound doesn't have to be tied up with the style.
Can you explain in simpler terms how yours works, it sounds interesting to be sure but I'm a bit confused.
Pam
 

Offline jwyvern

Re: V console
« Reply #64 on: September 23, 2018, 10:20:05 PM »
Hi Pam and Mike,
The principle is quite simple:
 whenever you play say the 4 panel voices each part sends midi data (representing the notes you played, the voices chosen and general settings) to the midi out port via channels 1 to 4. Two extra channels called Upper and Lower are also available so there are 6 in total (that I use at present) .
Note: You can see these channels listed if you look at the default (All Parts) midi template and go to Transmit or Touch Transmit on Genos.
Normally the data generated is unused as it's not needed for normal playing, but if it is fed back to the KB  by having a midi cable connected from midi out to midi in (port 1) it will play extra voices via the midi song 1 to 6 channels. You can connect a cable any time and will hear default pianos playing along with the panel  voices.
That's the simple bit. The time consuming bits are:

1. Making it all work together reliably and in a user friendly way. End up storing voice setups in song channels and saving as "Songs".
2. Building setups using extra voices which really make a difference and are not just a more complicated rehash of what can be achieved through "normal" registrations. Having said that, richer and more dynamic sounds are definitely possible and a motivation for more adventurous playing.

Pam, I have not noticed serious Polyphony issues on Genos even with some exaggerated chording (I believe there is more Polyphony than on Tyros).
I started this because I wanted to experiment with using more voices for live playing (with a single KB, no pedals, no large expenditure before trying it) rather than combining that  with an alternative way of storing and calling up voices etc during playing. My method is not as flexible for flicking through voices  as v-console would provide, but for sit and play I am used to flicking through registrations instead to make changes and that continues to be possible since the extra voices are called up and loaded by them as "Songs". (Without that I think the idea would have been too cumbersome for routine use) .

I need a bit more time to spell out the detail for 1, but if there is still interest for a do it yourself procedure, will come back later.  :)

John
« Last Edit: September 24, 2018, 10:08:15 AM by jwyvern »
 
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Offline MIKEP

Re: V console
« Reply #65 on: September 24, 2018, 01:21:39 PM »
Thank you John for your reply. I will explore what you have said and any further "how to" would be welcome.
Mike
 

Offline keyplayer

Re: V console
« Reply #66 on: September 24, 2018, 08:56:23 PM »
Hi John, thanks for that explanation, I had a bit of a 'light bulb' moment after I read it through a couple of times, I think can see what you are doing. And I've remembered that the V-Console 'speaks' to the keyboard through 8 MIDI channels 
for the 8 different voices available at any one time so both concepts are similar (at least that's how it appears to me). An issue I've always had with the Tyros is the left voice being 'tied' to the style in certain settings so using voices through the MIDI channels gets round that by replacing the left voice with a 'midi' one, two or more.  I admire your thinking and efforts in making it work for you and although I don't need to put it all into practice I will be interested to hear how it all goes.
Pam
 

Offline jwyvern

Re: V console
« Reply #67 on: September 25, 2018, 09:15:54 PM »

Thanks Pam and
Hi All,
I decided to start a new thread for the procedural detail that Mike is asking for. It is here:

http://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,46810.msg367714.html#msg367714   

Regards John
« Last Edit: September 25, 2018, 09:17:09 PM by jwyvern »