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Offline hjbaard

sus9 cord not recognized
« on: May 31, 2018, 05:51:05 PM »
I bought the PSR-S775 a week ago and I can't get the keyboard (in Fingered, of Fingered on Bass) to play a sus9 cord (e.g. Gsus9 or F/G: g-a-c-d-f or g - f-a-c).

Does any one know how to do this? Because it's used in lots of pop music.
Thanks :)
 

Offline EileenL

Re: sus9 cord not recognized
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2018, 08:52:48 PM »
I have only heard of Sus 2 or 4.

Try AI fingering for your slashed chords.

Offline panos

Re: sus9 cord not recognized
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2018, 09:15:51 PM »
I guess you mean G9sus4 and not Gsus9.

In the AI fingering mode I get Dm7/11 on my keyboard.
Go to chord dictionary on your keyboard to see all the chords types that you can get results for.


https://www.8notes.com/piano_chord_chart/g.asp
https://classpiano.com/g-chords/
https://www.scales-chords.com/findnotes_en.php?n1=G&n2=A&n3=C&n4=D&n5=F&n6=&optbass=1&piano=1

Offline hjbaard

Re: sus9 cord not recognized
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2018, 09:17:37 PM »
I have only heard of Sus 2 or 4.

Thanks for answering!

sus9 is actually a sus4 with 7 and 9 added so for C this looks lik c-f-g-Bb-d but it is played mostly in this order: c (bass) Bb-d-f. The g can be optionally added.
 

Offline hjbaard

Re: sus9 cord not recognized
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2018, 09:19:24 PM »
I guess you mean G9sus4 and not Gsus9.

In the AI fingering mode I get Dm7/11 on my keyboard.
Go to chord dictionary on your keyboard to see all the chords types that you can get results for.


https://www.8notes.com/piano_chord_chart/g.asp
https://classpiano.com/g-chords/
https://www.scales-chords.com/findnotes_en.php?n1=G&n2=A&n3=C&n4=D&n5=F&n6=&optbass=1&piano=1

That's what I mean :-) Sometimes it short ritten as sus9 (http://www.oolimo.com/chordtypes/sus-add). But it is not Dm7/11 because it shouldn't be minor (or major)
« Last Edit: May 31, 2018, 09:23:56 PM by hjbaard »
 

Offline panos

Re: sus9 cord not recognized
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2018, 09:28:55 PM »
I am not really interesting in how the chords form in theory to tell you the truth and how they call them.
As long as a chord sounds right they can call it "Chuck Norris" if they want, I wouldn't mind ;D

But I can see your point and I didn't find a "X"9sus4 chord on the chord dictionary of my psr.


Offline panos

Re: sus9 cord not recognized
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2018, 09:40:49 PM »
There is only "X"7sus4 there.
Well some people who know the theory behind those difficult chords maybe have a clue why Yamaha doesn't recognised it in that name and prefers something else instead.

Offline mikf

Re: sus9 cord not recognized
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2018, 04:28:11 PM »
There are a couple of reasons why it may not be recognized but one of them is that itís almost unplayable anyway in a conventional arranger fashion, ie lh below the split point. I would always play this chord across both hands, so itís like a Bb chord in the rh with a C bass in the left. So it also almost becomes a Bb/C - a naming confusion which might be the other reason it doesnít get recognized. Itís not unusual that essentially the same group of notes can be named as two different chords, or that it would take more than 3 notes to identify them, so you cant expect the arranger to recognize them all. Panos is right in that the sound is more important than the name. You probably need to add harmony notes to your rh to get the sound.
This sus harmony Ďsoundí is common in popular music, where for example Gsus9 would resolve to C, so itís important to figure out a way to get it, but I think of it as F/G.
Mike
 

Offline hjbaard

Re: sus9 cord not recognized
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2018, 05:51:03 AM »
There are a couple of reasons why it may not be recognized but one of them is that itís almost unplayable anyway in a conventional arranger fashion...

Sorry but that isn't true. I had a Roland BK3 that recognized it. I played it like this for Gsus9: GA CD F so just like you would a G7sus4 but adding a A extra.
And it is very common in pop music. Also it sounds more modern than a G7sus4. Of course that is my humble opinion  :)
« Last Edit: June 04, 2018, 05:54:19 AM by hjbaard »