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pzandvoort:
Has anyone been able to play midi from a DAW into the onboard Style Creator?

I know I can make the entire style in Sonar, save as midi, convert to style, transfer to Genos, etc. But it's a fairly lengthy process and doesn't exactly allow for a quick play-through of the style to see how what I made behaves "in real life".

Optimally I'd like to record a style part in Sonar, do my editing there, go to the Genos style creator, press record on the proper part and have the DAW play the part into the style. Besides the obvious midi clock settings, this "should" be easy: have the DAW play on the right channel and the style creator should record it. Conceptually, this should be no different than using an external midi keyboard to record a style part. In practice, I'm getting the weirdest results. From transposed notes to semi-random controllers to nothing at all.

Anyone?

Peter

Pino:
Hi Peter

This is what Yamaha say in their brochure,

Cubase
Cubase is one of the most popular digital audio workstations of our time. With Cubase, you can record your performance into separate MIDI tracks then arrange and edit the playing data after you recorded into Cubase.

makes it sound like the real deal, but not so in real life.

Pino


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pzandvoort:
Hi Pino,

That part actually seems to work - recording a live performance or track-by-track from Genos into the DAW works well enough. Playback is a little more laboreous as you have to setup quite a few controllers and quite a bit of sysex manually. The integration could be (a lot) better, but it does all seem to work reasonably. Especially when you do track-by-track.

I just can't figure out how to properly send external midi data into Genos' onboard style creator.

Peter

tyrosaurus:
Hi Peter,

On my Tyros4 the default settings in the MIDI template for receiving MIDI on MIDI port A/USB assigns each MIDI channel to a Song part. Fom the Genos Reference Manual, it looks as if it is the same for Genos.

When recording from the keyboard into Style Creator, it always uses the Right1 keyboard part.

Have you tried opening the MIDI Receive settings and either assigning the channel that you are transmitting the MIDI from the DAW to Right1 instead of a Song part, or changing the transmit channel on your DAW to match the currently set Genos MIDI Receive channel for Right1?

I don't know if this will work but it might be worth trying if you haven't already done so.

You should also make sure that the Genos is set up to receive SysEx (System page, page 2).

Genos MIDI template settings are described starting from page 132 of the 'Genos Reference Manual' which is not supplied with the keyboard, but can be downloaded from your local Yamaha Support website.   Here is a link for the page on the UK site that contains the document...   https://uk.yamaha.com/en/support/manuals/index.html?l=en&c=keyboards&k=Genos


Regards

Ian   

pzandvoort:
Ian -

Your comment definitely got me started in the right direction. Thanks for that!
By default, Genos indeed maps MIDI-A ch1-16 to Song parts, just like you said. MIDI-B looks like this:
ch1 - Keyboard
ch2 - Right1
ch3 - Right2
ch4 - Right3
ch5 - Left
ch6 - Extra part1
ch7 - Extra part2
ch8 - Extra part3
ch9 - Style Rhythm1
ch10 - Style Rhythm2
ch11 - Style Bass
ch12 - Style Chord1
ch13 - Style Chord2
ch14 - Style Pad
ch15 - Style Phrase1
ch16 - Style Phrase2

So I made a single track in the DAW and had it play out of ch2 - I'll be darned: it records just fine in the style creator! Interestingly, ch1 ("keyboard") also works, which seems to truly represent what the keys on the keyboard are doing rather than the individual Right1,Right2,Right3,Left parts. I kinda like that concept.

This is where it gets fun... when you're recording a part in the style creator things are great until you get to the end of loop. At that point it starts transmitting what you've already recorded. Makes sense, but I didn't think of it. Note that (by default) the style parts are transmitted on MIDI-A instead of MIDI-B. Of course, I had the DAW set to Omni In and forced MIDI-B/ch1 out and thus it loops! This gets to be a real mess with the all the sysex and controllers in the style. As it is, when you record a part from the style creator into the DAW, you get all the initial controllers and sysex. The style creator doesn't take kindly to playing that back, even into a "blank" part. The solution lies somewhere in a combination of midi-thru/monitor in the DAW, local on/off on Genos and event filtering, but I have yet to find the magic incantation that makes it quick to round-trip between the style creator, recordings in the DAW and back to the style creator.

Thanks, at least, for the proper channel pointer!

Peter

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