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Offline sugarplumsss

Our constant search for better sounds.. rant.
« on: April 16, 2018, 06:03:05 PM »
The major reason we search for better piano, bass, guitar, synth, sax, etc sounds
Is NOT for the audience sake, at least not directly so.

The reason is so WE play better... so those better sounds increase our chances of a better performance.
THEN at that point, the audience notes our better performance.

It is not like a better piano sample will be noted by audience. No way, no how.

What the audience MAY notice.... you performed better. You were more relaxed.
Never think the audience notices that new expansion pack sound palette .. they do not  in 999 out of 1000 cases.
They notice perhaps your slightly better performance.

Extending this idea a bit further:
I think music industry has things backwards.
The presiding idea is that what the audience hears in the mains, is more important , given a choice, than what the performer hears in monitors .

I would rather see an artist who is very comfortable with his sound in his monitors, and suffer a little in his sound in the mains.
Than the converse.
I am not recommending an awful sound in the mains though!!
I want to hear the artists best performance.
Both ideal monitor and ideal mains, is optimal, but not likely.
Oh, I forgot, in a band there is the third factor, of the band members hearing one
another optimally too.
I use T4 as a drum machine. Playing my own acmp and bass. MIDI songs are my latest interest. If anyone wishes to share knowledge on MIDI songs let me know.
 
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Online Denn

Re: Our constant search for better sounds.. rant.
« Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 02:22:19 PM »
Hello, Sound, like taste and smell, is a personal thing. If your played a Casio (heaven forbid) on stage and next week played a Tyros 4 I doubt if the audience would tell the difference. You are correct, It is for your own self that the sound is produced. I have a S770 and  Tyros4. The T4 is mellow compared to the S770. I have just spent about 8 hours with the Genos and my opinion is that:- Would I buy a Genos for $7500? NO!! Would I buy a Genos for $75? NO!! I like the T4 best of all.
See my post further up. Regards, Denn.
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Offline sugarplumsss

Re: Our constant search for better sounds.. rant.
« Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 04:04:42 PM »
Wow.  I am guessing you are in the minority. Can you give more concrete specifics why you prefer the T4 over the Genos?
I use T4 as a drum machine. Playing my own acmp and bass. MIDI songs are my latest interest. If anyone wishes to share knowledge on MIDI songs let me know.
 

Offline mcbrown

Re: Our constant search for better sounds.. rant.
« Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 04:36:13 PM »
If you want to hear what the audience hears try a line array such as a Bose or LD Systems Maui. These are set up behind you which does away with the use of fold back monitors. As you know, what we hear on stage and what the audience hears with conventional speaker systems is usually vastly different.

Murray
Genos + GNS-MS01 spkrs, TouchMix 30 Digital Mixer, Fender Strat, Music Man 210 75 guitar amp, Behringer GMX 212 Guitar amps & FCB1010, Behringer B1200D Sub & B205D f/b spkrs x 4, Boss GT-10 Guitar Fx, Roland GR-55 Guitar Synth, LD Systems MAUI 28 G2 x 2
 
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Offline EileenL

Re: Our constant search for better sounds.. rant.
« Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 06:09:03 PM »
Even after eight hours you wont probably know the potential  Genos has over previous keyboards. The first thing that struck me was the sound quality over my Tyros 5. Every thing is so much clearer and sound separation and effects are so pleasing to the ear. Takes a little while to get used to using the touch screen and finding where things are but the six assignable buttons are great for storing your favorite functions and you can even change the ones at the bottom of the screen to things you prefer.
  All in all a great keyboard.
 
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Offline sugarplumsss

Re: Our constant search for better sounds.. rant.
« Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 08:52:45 PM »
Thank you Eileen

1.Ball park ( approximate ) prices here in USA, as of May 2018?

2. Bugs? Ought I hold off longer, or are bugs either too few, or non essential for most of us, most of the time, to be no sound reason to hold off?

Try reciting that last sentence ten times with marbles in mouth, and standing on head!
Thanks
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I use T4 as a drum machine. Playing my own acmp and bass. MIDI songs are my latest interest. If anyone wishes to share knowledge on MIDI songs let me know.
 

Online Denn

Re: Our constant search for better sounds.. rant.
« Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 10:44:09 PM »
Hello Sugarplumsss. You asked for it!! Why do I prefer the Tyros4 over the Genos. Well here is my answer!

Hello All, Have just returned from Perth (Au) and had a great play on the Genos. Shop had a good supply of Yamaha kbds and other instruments. I am now in Adelaide and spent 4 hours uninterrupted with the Genos. Again the shop was full of Yamaha gear. Shop in Darwin did not even know the Tyros, just the S.970 and S770. Perth and Melbourne shop are selling Genos like there was no tomorrow.
For me the Genos is a no-go. Did not like the touch screen and had great problems finding my way through the clutter on the screen. Screen was too flat for playing sitting down and reflected the overhead lights. Press the Style button and the boxes were just too small for a quick one touch. Tried 3 times to get the Ballroom styles up. No "world" styles, have to go through Legacy to find them. Looks to me as though they have added the Alpen pack to the Genos, all mixed up. Thought that Yamaha would have sorted the lists into alpha order not the old Yamaha number order. My two friends who accompanied me thought that the sounds were too sharp, not like the mellow Tyros.
Although in both stores,Perth and Adelaide, I was offered a really good deal, I will stay with my Tyros4. The Genos did not really impress me. Now that is only my opinion.
Regards, Den.

Now that I am home and have a decent typing keyboard I would like to express the things I found or not on the Genos.
First, it is NOT a touch pad but a poke pad. It needs a good push.
I wanted to find the Hawaiian style but the only way to find that was to put my USB stick in with my T4 program regs, bring up the song and then find the style.
I wanted to get a tenor sax in R1 – guess what! A sax is a woodwind on the Genos. Had to find that using my USB again.
Needed to put some chorus and reverb on -  where is the mixing console and the functions?? Lost in a clutter of whatever.
Eventually found the Touch thingy, it is 4 squares with green ticks. Why would you want to just have touch on one voice and not all of them. To get the touch effects you need to lift your fingers, which defeats the object of legato on the other voices.
Now 8 assignable knobs. Assuming you have a fantastic memory and can remember what you assigned to them you need a stack of cards as the Hammond Spinet drawbars had. The sliders have no buttons for fine adjustments.
I do not know if the Genos has a hard drive or not but if not then recording to a USB stick is going to be a nightmare with “Drive Busy” and your recording lost.
All in all, using the screen to try and twiddle knobs or move sliders accurately is a skill you will really need to acquire over some time.  The salesman said that “As long as you are within 10 either side with the sliders that is OK”. I would like my music to be a bit more accurate than that.
To this I must add that sound, like taste and smell, is a very personal opinion. To say “This sounds better than that” is up to the individual.
Finally, I think that Yamaha have made a keyboard answering all the requests of players but have done it in a very sarcastic way.
Would I buy one at $7500? NO
Would I buy one at $75? Again NO.
 
Ps. I bought another Tyros4 from the shop in Perth a few months ago and have bought from the shop in Adelaide. I went there with the money in the bank to maybe bring a Genos home. Unfortunately or otherwise the Genos did not meet up to what I thought.
 
Now these comments are MY opinions only and are not meant to upset any of our members on the forum.
Regards, Den.
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Offline sugarplumsss

Re: Our constant search for better sounds.. rant.
« Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 11:30:13 PM »
And I appreciate your candor.  Keep it up.  An about PC? To hell with it. 
Tact and diplomacy were already in place, long before the lies of PC culture.
So stay true.
I use T4 as a drum machine. Playing my own acmp and bass. MIDI songs are my latest interest. If anyone wishes to share knowledge on MIDI songs let me know.