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Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #100 on: April 13, 2018, 12:44:21 AM »
Hello Pino, congratulations excellent audio. Now my question is: how do you work together with your S970 with the Ketron Module ?. and I would also like to know how much this module costs. greetings Hans

Between $1800 and $2000 from what I see online.
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Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #101 on: April 13, 2018, 03:51:29 AM »
Hi KeyboardByBiggs, thanks for your answer. greetings Hans
 
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Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #102 on: April 13, 2018, 07:03:43 PM »
Hello Pino, congratulations excellent audio. Now my question is: how do you work together with your S970 with the Ketron Module ?. and I would also like to know how much this module costs. greetings Hans

https://app.box.com/s/npuempch5y14ineqz5ijdv7ytrpn4say

WOW ! I am not sure I understood which instrument generated that fantastic sounding short audio. Was it the 970 or the Ketron ? Please specify.

Cheers

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Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #103 on: April 13, 2018, 11:58:23 PM »
Hello Karlo, I think Pino refers to the Ketron / S970 combination, since he says he uses the Ketron Module to reinforce the voices of the S970. greetings Hans
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Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #104 on: April 14, 2018, 04:14:21 AM »
That was the Ketron SD40 demo
Itís a full rich sound and the styles have a very Ďlive soundí

Similar to the Technics sound of many years ago,

I love the Yamaha styles but some of the lead voices are on the thin side.
Thatís the reason I bought the SD40 for the right hand voices

Iíve had so much fun with it as an arranger, easy to connet any controller from 49 to 88 piano. the touch screen works flawlessly and itís only 2kilos.

I havenít used it with my S970 yet
Thatís my next project starting next week Ď midi to S970í time permitting.
I will report back on how it hooks up,

Pino

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Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #105 on: April 14, 2018, 06:25:56 AM »
Thank you very much Pino, for clarifying that it was what we were listening to in your Demo. greetings Hans
 

Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #106 on: April 14, 2018, 11:09:26 AM »
That was the Ketron SD40 demo
Itís a full rich sound and the styles have a very Ďlive soundí

Similar to the Technics sound of many years ago .......

Iíve had so much fun with it as an arranger, easy to connet any controller from 49 to 88 piano. the touch screen works flawlessly and itís only 2kilos.....

I will report back on how it hooks up,

Pino

Hi Pino,
thanks for the "update" on the  Ketron SD40 demo    The  the sax was  so realistic  it made me feel it was not done just by playing  keyboard keys.  Having been a sax player for 20 years long ago I do appreciate the after-touch, the new possibilities with the Genos pitch bender and the 3 buttons. They do make saxes more realistic,  but what I heard on your SD40 demo ( 4 times !)  :) could only be a real sax or an expert manipulation on a PC by the creator just as on the Yamaha intros and endings.

I also loved the base. These are the moments you realize that in spite of all the great improvement in keyboards over the years  it is still easy to realize, what you are hearing is just a keyboard being played,  not the real thing.
Like you I feel there were things on the Technics 6000 that would have been worth copying like the "call up function" you could buy from a Swiss creator. You only had to write "In the.." and the midi file "In the mood"  was there. I also loved  the easy midi file tweaking and style creation. Genos has this nice  loop function, but now that the delete function in case you made a mistake has been removed (was there in 1.10)  I have had difficulties.  I do the prolonging on Midifile Optimizer, but that does not give you the option of using the loop or not which Genos gives you. But maybe there is a way to get the points correctly easily ans I just have not understood that.
On Yamaha models  the Intros and Endings have become so well done that you may for a moment be fooled. But then when you hear a style that is only 2 bars long you know what you are hearing.  :)  As I know absolutely nothing about to-day's  hip hop and heavy metal it might be that in that department it makes no difference, but in Jazz, be it combo or big band 2 bars are an insult to my old ears. Fortunately there are quite a few 4 bar long styles but already on the 5700 I still have there were 8 bar long styles. I believe there is a way to create such styles on the Genos from existing styles but so far I have not been able to do it. Am waiting for a thread in that direction. Or maybe better make a thread.

Cheers

Kaarlo
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Offline arvacon

Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #107 on: April 17, 2018, 02:32:43 PM »
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Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #108 on: April 17, 2018, 02:48:46 PM »
If itís a fake then itís a well put together fake,

That would be perfect for my needs,

Anyone else in for a 61? 🤔
« Last Edit: April 17, 2018, 02:52:21 PM by Pino »
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Offline arvacon

Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #109 on: April 17, 2018, 03:01:57 PM »
If this is not fake, then Yamaha has to consider about firing the designer..
The left side looks like a mess!
 

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Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #110 on: April 17, 2018, 03:19:19 PM »
It does look a little tight up to the left side   :o
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Offline pjd

Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #111 on: April 17, 2018, 06:31:23 PM »
It does look a little tight up to the left side   :o

And it has a two-tone color mismatch running down the left hand side. Genos-76 is seamless. Clearly, 'shopped.

-- pj
« Last Edit: April 17, 2018, 06:34:06 PM by pjd »
 

Offline arvacon

Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #112 on: April 17, 2018, 07:17:56 PM »
And it has a two-tone color mismatch running down the left hand side. Genos-76 is seamless. Clearly, 'shopped.

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That two tone color mismatch was my fault, as I took the screenshot during the next image transition at the YouTube video. Here it is a better one.
 

Offline Bernie9

Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #113 on: April 19, 2018, 10:47:52 AM »
Just to add one more vote for the 76 keys.  I have been a gigging musician for fifty years, and up until a few years ago always used a 61.  I am not a piano player, so don't have to have a larger keybed, but the extra room is so beneficial to my playing, I would never go back.  I am 77 and set in my ways, but this was a very easy change.  For what it's worth.
 

Offline EileenL

Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #114 on: April 19, 2018, 11:01:29 AM »
Hi Bernie,
  Like you I am set in my ways but at 82 next week I am loving having those extra notes and I am not a pianist but like using three way split at times and now have more notes to do it with. weight is also not a problem as the keyboard is not as heavy as Tyros range.

Offline terryB

Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #115 on: April 19, 2018, 11:59:24 AM »
Hi Eileen, what is your split points for a 3 way keyboard split ?

Cheers
Terry
 

Offline EileenL

Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #116 on: April 19, 2018, 12:30:55 PM »
I use mine F#2 F#2 F5. I have the voice I want to solo set to right three and adjust the octave.

Offline sunny

Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #117 on: April 19, 2018, 06:22:34 PM »
Hi friends,
            Is this video real about Genos 61 ? If yes,i am ready to buy one.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I06R6am4g0Q

Sunny
« Last Edit: April 19, 2018, 06:24:37 PM by sunny »
 

Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #118 on: April 19, 2018, 06:29:07 PM »
Just to add one more vote for the 76 keys.  I have been a gigging musician for fifty years, and up until a few years ago always used a 61.  I am not a piano player, so don't have to have a larger keybed, but the extra room is so beneficial to my playing, I would never go back.  I am 77 and set in my ways, but this was a very easy change.  For what it's worth.

How right you are.  I realize there seem to be a lot of   senior  players  on this site.  I switched to T5/6 I believe at 77 and felt just like you. "The extra room is so beneficial to my playing, I would never go back." And being able to split, being able to have piano with harmony on the lower end and sax without it on the upper end reminds me of the time when we used electronic organs with 2 keyboards.  (some even preferred to play the base themselves instead of the automatic base)  I will never forget the moment I unpacked the Lowrey MX1 in the eighties. But you needed  4 people and a lift to get into a van.  And more gigs than I got to recoup the hefty price. In to-days money over 60.000 $.  Genos of course does not have 12 speakers and the cabinet, but still at less than 1/10 of the price it is a bargain. And as a fact the material for example of the keys i excellent. I know because whenever I bought the next Tyros  I removed the keys from the previous model and inserted them into the new one because I weighted them due to arthritis in my hands.  Fortunately YAMAHA has not changed the keys, they are now on the Genos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWCDk2ZygQc    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeuLD-yHjJ4

Cheers

Kaarlo
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Offline Gunnar Jonny

Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #119 on: April 19, 2018, 06:37:46 PM »
Hi friends,
            Is this video real about Genos 61 ? If yes,i am ready to buy one.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I06R6am4g0Q

Sunny

Fake news if anybody ask me, but it collect cliks to the posted video.  ???
Cheers & Happy Playing.  :)
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Offline tyrosman

Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #120 on: April 19, 2018, 07:22:47 PM »
very Fake news it will Never Happen >:(
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Offline panos

Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #121 on: April 19, 2018, 09:03:02 PM »
I would add some graphics to the beginning of that video the way Genos is moving around.
Maybe a sea,some waves,followed by smaller pictures of s775/975 and EW410...
The new flagship of Yamaha keyboards is coming! ;D
 

Offline Toril S

Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #122 on: April 19, 2018, 10:19:21 PM »
Why not? They made a Tyros 61, so why not a Genos 61 as well? Time will tell :)
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Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #123 on: April 20, 2018, 03:12:46 AM »
Eventhough I prefere the buttons on the PSRís
I probably would buy one for the improvement in the sound department.

To me, an arranger keyboard is about styles, period.
If I was into playing/editing midi files then I would choose totally different equipment.

Most of the style editing stuff on the Genos is the same as all the other Yamaha keyboards from the past 20 years, I wouldnít be buying for that reason, we still cannot easily import a Ďsong introí,  style editing on board is clumbersome, connecting to a DAW is not easy and even though itís an Ďarranger keyboardí Yamaha does not want to give us the tools to edit our styles, Yamaha Musicsoft has put a stop to that cos they want to make money from us also, but itís a fresh new keyboard.

Yamaha could have done a much better job in the editing department for this new range of keyboards that will probably be around for the next 15 years, but it is what it is.

If Yamaha would make a 61 then I probably would go for it.  :)

Pino
« Last Edit: April 20, 2018, 03:15:29 AM by Pino »
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Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #124 on: April 20, 2018, 04:13:46 PM »
Ok Guys
Just to show you that itís not just
"talk the talk" sometimes we have to "walk the walk"

Iíve picked the hardest style that you would ever play on the keyboard
No timing, no chord track, no sheets, no edits, just sit down and play.
Itís a one shot take so the balance is way out.
an a 10 year old PSR.
How much better would the Drums be on Genos?

Pino

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Offline sunny

Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #125 on: April 20, 2018, 05:13:19 PM »
Hi Friends,
           Whether this picture real or fake, but wan't to buy Genos 61-note keyboard.

Sunny
« Last Edit: April 20, 2018, 06:24:26 PM by sunny »
 

Offline Lee Batchelor

Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #126 on: April 20, 2018, 05:35:40 PM »
Very nicely played, Pino! To answer your question, sit down and play the exact same tune on a Genos. You'll be blown away - especially when you play that well :)! The older PSRs sound great until you hear the Genos.
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Offline Joe H

Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #127 on: April 20, 2018, 05:38:08 PM »
It's fake for sure.  That guy does this all the time.  He is very good at graphics manipulation.  He had created a Tyros 6 a couple of years ago with some of his own add-ons...  He's just trying to get some attention and maybe make a few dollars at the same time.

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Offline Joe H

Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #128 on: April 20, 2018, 05:42:50 PM »
Pino.

You demonstrate..."It's not what you got, but how you use it"

Very nice playing.  A good musician can make even an el cheapo keyboard sound good.  You get five smiles from me!


 :)    :)    :)    :)    :)

Cheers,
Joe H
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Offline Linson

Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #129 on: April 21, 2018, 06:15:56 PM »
Hi Pino.. Fanstastic Play and sound.. Curious  which is that 10 year old PSR that makes such a nice sound? Please share more.
 

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Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #130 on: Yesterday at 04:29:39 AM »
Hi Linson

It was the S910, could be played on the 910, 950, or 970, you wouldnít notice much of a difference, styles are just a group of small midi files put in order so that the keyboard understands when to play them, in this case the midi part would be called a style part or a style variation,
 I have some  Genos styles playing on my S910 without any problems, you just have to tune the style, eg, save new Ďon boardí instruments to the rhy1-rhy2-bass-chord-pad-ph1-ph2.   
Takes a little time till you get used to the work flow.

Sometimes people will buy a new keyboard without understanding the one they already got.

The S970 is better with guitars and modern music and the S910 is better with Big Band, orchestra and ballads, has a sweeter sound, IMHO

Here is a Big Band medley, nothing special, just a Ďone takeí using OTS as I would play on a gig, not that I play much Big Band.

https://app.box.com/s/fxftc5xfx5srhmt7m6v38ndk6ar53weg

Pino



« Last Edit: Yesterday at 04:34:35 AM by Pino »
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Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #131 on: Yesterday at 04:41:52 AM »
Thank you Joe for your king words

I promise not to mention a 6 and 1 in any posts on this forum for evermore.

Best wishes

Pino
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Offline Pianoman

Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #132 on: Yesterday at 12:06:04 PM »
Pino.

You demonstrate..."It's not what you got, but how you use it"

Very nice playing.  A good musician can make even an el cheapo keyboard sound good.  You get five smiles from me!


 :)    :)    :)    :)    :)

Cheers,
Joe H

Hello Pino.

I will echo what Joe H has said here.

Very nice playing on both songs.

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Offline Bachus

Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
« Reply #133 on: Yesterday at 01:08:02 PM »
The 61 key rumor comes from an April fools joke from a German dealer...

Misleading and not even funny, i must say, it also cought me on the wrong leg...

Makes me wonder how many people never bought the Genos because there is no 61 key version? Indonít think anyone that really wants/needs a Genos was kept away from it by the extra 15 keys...
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