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Offline vanray

New Firmware Upgrade Requests & Flaws
« on: January 02, 2018, 06:30:14 AM »
Hi
As reported, that Yamaha Managers monitor this forum
My 1st request is :

A "Direct-Link" ,from

1.  the Blue Audio Avatar  within the rec-audio window
2.  to the "Save-Audio" Window

At present, when you've finished recording an audio file
you cant go directly to that audio file to save it , by clicking the "Blue Audio Avatar"
as you can in the tyros 5

instead to have to
1. exit the audio  window
2. click the song window
3. then locate the saved file, in order to rename it.

so thats 3 clicks ,instead of one click direct.



« Last Edit: January 04, 2018, 08:47:28 AM by vanray »
 

Offline torben

Re: Genos New Firmware Upgrade Requests
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2018, 06:54:14 AM »
Good point Vanray - except that the audio file is auto-saved immediately. But if you need to rename it, move it, delete it etc. you have to go through the 3 steps mentioned above ...

Torben
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Offline EileenL

Re: Genos New Firmware Upgrade Requests
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2018, 10:01:17 AM »
I don't see this as a problem and it takes no longer than on Tyros 5.

Offline Dromeus

Re: Genos New Firmware Upgrade Requests
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2018, 11:30:13 AM »
There are quite a few of these annoyances in the new OS. When I want to edit a MIDI file that is loaded in the player I have to reload it into the editor. When I finished editing, it's gone in the player. In the player there is no "edit" item in the context menu. etc etc. Only a few additional clicks for sure, but I feel it doesn't help putting a lipstick on a pig. It indicates a poor design and a world class company should not deliver such a UI to their customers.
Regards, Michael
 
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Offline vanray

Re: Genos New Firmware Upgrade Requests
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2018, 12:02:32 PM »
There are quite a few of these annoyances in the new OS. When I want to edit a MIDI file that is loaded in the player I have to reload it into the editor. When I finished editing, it's gone in the player. In the player there is no "edit" item in the context menu. etc etc. Only a few additional clicks for sure, but I feel it doesn't help putting a lipstick on a pig. It indicates a poor design and a world class company should not deliver such a UI to their customers.

Ha Ha thats funny !

yes i think yamaha will  Assume that the "Logical"  approach
overrides the  "Put-up with it "  approach

and its quite easy to add this in the next firmware, as its still early days for the genos
i expect theres a few more surprises in store too.
 
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Offline vanray

Re: Genos New Firmware Upgrade Requests
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2018, 12:15:02 PM »
I forgot to say
that the Tyros 5 had in total " 8 " Firmware upgrades.

https://usa.yamaha.com/support/updates/firm_tyros5.html
 

Offline markstyles

Re: Genos New Firmware Upgrade Requests
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2018, 12:36:16 PM »
The Tyros 5 had a measure counter next to displaying chord detect when chord and clock was coming from a DAW..  That measure counter was  important to know when to hit a fill, or new variation.. The Genos has taken the measure counter out..  I miss it REALLY BADLY..  This instrument was supposed to be more studio useable, Removing the external measure counter, makes it LESS so.
 
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Offline Dromeus

Re: Genos New Firmware Upgrade Requests
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2018, 12:39:20 PM »
Ha Ha thats funny !

Marvellous. I keep telling my friends that I NEVER make any jokes. In fact, that's a joke  ;D :D :D Get the picture?  ;)

Another fact ist that I'm a long-time loyal follower of Yamaha products. The Genos is my 7th Yamaha keyboard/synth I owned (besides some other Yammie gear). But it doesn't keep me from speaking out where Yamaha could do better  :-*.

Yes, I really hope for fixes in the forthcoming firmware and I would appreciate even new functions in later versions.
Regards, Michael
 
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Offline vanray

Re: Genos New Firmware Upgrade Requests
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2018, 02:42:47 PM »
The Tyros 5 had a measure counter next to displaying chord detect when chord and clock was coming from a DAW..  That measure counter was  important to know when to hit a fill, or new variation..
The Genos has taken the measure counter out..  I miss it REALLY BADLY..  This instrument was supposed to be more studio useable, Removing the external measure counter, makes it LESS so.

yes i agree
i too was looking for this, but its gone
i dont know how that could be added to a firmware upgrade
or whether its too late,
 because its something that would have had to have  been "Built-in"
like the Tyros 5
 

Offline vanray

Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2018, 11:51:07 PM »
My 2nd request :

Please include the Groove "ALL" Select button like the tyros 5

The Groove option in the genos style creator
has no " ALL " Select button.

so unlike the tyros 5  the "ALL" button would enable you change
ALL target channels , from Intro 1 , right thru to Ending 3, in one click

but in the genos ,you have to enable each one "separately"
so thats  "3" pages  of "17" target channels









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Offline Fred Smith

Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2018, 12:41:43 AM »
In the registration sequencer, you can specify that at the end of the sequence, it goes to the next registration.

When using this in a Playlist, it should go to the next song in the Playlist (currently it goes to the next registration in alphabetical order, making it impossible to step through a Playlist).

Fred
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Re: Genos New Firmware Upgrade Requests
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2018, 05:36:12 AM »
I don't see this as a problem and it takes no longer than on Tyros 5.

Why problems of other does not represent a problem who needs a little bit attention from Yamaha Team?! For you nothing represents problem. If you can make that thing from "x" movements it's ok for you. OMG, you are unbelievable!
You don't find necessary, maybe because you have all the time in the world, but we are in the "Speed era" we need speed in operability, and if that problem solved represent more timeless process, that is an improvement in Genos operability!

Good approach vanray!
Thank you for your suggestions!


Regards,
Vali!
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Offline EileenL

Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2018, 06:07:33 AM »
I only speak as I find as indeed we all do, but surely a little time spent getting used to this new keyboard and some of the things that are different would help a lot. All I see is "This is different must get Yamaha to fix it"
   Sounds like some would like the whole keyboard altered back to how it was. I was not in favour of a touch screen but most were. Now we find the operation on some things is different because it probably has to be and everyone want's updates. Dose no one prepare for there gigs now by setting up registration banks that contain everything you want at one button push. If I want to alter or edit something I am prepared to spend the time it takes to get what I want. that way I also learn the best way of doing it. You have to slow down sometimes And no I don't have all the time in the world but I make time at nearly 82 for my keyboard.

Offline Dromeus

Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2018, 07:49:33 AM »
All I see is "This is different must get Yamaha to fix it". Sounds like some would like the whole keyboard altered back to how it was.

I don't think so, Eileen. I love the touch screen and it makes live easier, and certainly I don't want a roll back. But the new UI has some flaws, and it's not because of the touch screen, but because Yamaha decided to implement it in an unconsistent fashion. For example:

When you select a Multi Pad, you may select Edit from the context menu. Perfect.

If you do the same process when selecting a MIDI file, you don't find Edit in the context menu. Instead you have to go to Menu, Menu2, song creator, blah blah..., then later reload it to the song player. Makes it very cumbersome to use, and it's a drawback compared to the Tyros. This can be fixed and I hop Yamaha will do so.

Another example: in the Tyros it was possible to put the song player in sync start mode by pressing two buttons. Both buttons still exist at the Genos but the sync start function is available only in the touch screen. This function has been removed without need. I'm afraid it will not come in a Firmware update, because there is no appropriate labeling on the Genos...

Let's hope that the flaws will be fixed and the good suggestions will be implemented. Will make an excellent machine even better :).



Regards, Michael
 

Offline vanray

Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2018, 08:09:14 AM »
This is Unbelievable

Yamaha have linked the "volume" to the "compressor"
They Haven't Linked the
"compressor" to the "Compressor"

When you  add compression, its actually just adding more volume
not compression .

Try these 2 compressor settings, using skypop variation D ,play a chord,
 and then switch the compressor GREEN Button OFF & ON
and youll see theres no difference in the sound.

in the tyros 5 when you boost the compressor ,you logically reduce volume
but when you boost the compressor in the genos, it ADDS VOLUME
thats wrong.


I though it sounded too chunky and lacked that Mastered CD finish,
when i first played the genos, now i know why.

so my 3rd request is:
that this gets fixed.




Offline vanray

Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2018, 08:26:54 AM »
This afternoon i spoke to yamaha support team
who rang me 5 minutes ago to say
that they will forward this post regarding the compressor fault, to the Yamaha engineers.

Also regarding the "Side-Chain" compressor
Yamaha support team said that "AT PRESENT" ,
all 4 side-chain dial settings, cannot be used, as there is no "part-select" window.

original title post :
Genos "side-chain" compressor Flaw.

« Last Edit: January 04, 2018, 08:54:49 AM by vanray »
 

Offline Bud2

Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests & Flaws
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2018, 08:57:34 AM »
There is one thing I think was on the Home screen of the Tyros, that was the chord you were playing, now on the Genos Home screen you don't have this. Please correct me if I am remembering this wrongly. Thanks.  ;)
Bill
 

Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests & Flaws
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2018, 09:22:57 AM »
Bud2

Of course you can see the chord you are playing on the home screen.
 
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Offline Dromeus

Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2018, 11:20:26 AM »
when you boost the compressor in the genos, it ADDS VOLUME thats wrong.

Well, Yamaha arrangers have a history of mysterious Master Compressor parameters, above all they got changed overtime. I guess it's done to make it "easier" for the "average user", but in the end it just adds to the confusion. The Compression parameter - according to the reference manual - changes the classic parameters Threshold, Ratio and Soft Knee ALL TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME. Beg your pardon? How this is done is a complete mystery. The parameter "Texture" just adds to the confusion: "Adds natural characteristics to the effect. The higher the value, the lighter it becomes." Any questions?

Why can't Yamaha stick to the well known and proved compressor parameters?
Regards, Michael
 
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Offline Joe H

Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests & Flaws
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2018, 11:29:40 AM »
I don't have a Genos, but I agree with the posts above that both the Chord Type display and Bar Count display in the Main screen are essential to me as a player especially when I'm using the arpeggiator.

Joe  H
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Offline vanray

Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2018, 11:43:16 AM »
Well, Yamaha arrangers have a history of mysterious Master Compressor parameters, above all they got changed overtime. I guess it's done to make it "easier" for the "average user", but in the end it just adds to the confusion. The Compression parameter - according to the reference manual - changes the classic parameters Threshold, Ratio and Soft Knee ALL TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME. Beg your pardon? How this is done is a complete mystery. The parameter "Texture" just adds to the confusion: "Adds natural characteristics to the effect. The higher the value, the lighter it becomes." Any questions?

Why can't Yamaha stick to the well known and proved compressor parameters?


yes i do agree, it is a mystery
Basically All compressors function the same way.

The second you start to Increase the compression to your music,
thats when it Instantly REDUCES the volume.
It does not add volume, thats why all compressors, have a separate volume control.

i must say that im amazed that this was overlooked,
even by the guy that did the genos compressor demo
Because all its done is add more volume, it sounds exactly he same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WDI-8BDRGY
 

Online Bill

Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests & Flaws
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2018, 11:43:42 AM »
There is one thing I think was on the Home screen of the Tyros, that was the chord you were playing, now on the Genos Home screen you don't have this. Please correct me if I am remembering this wrongly. Thanks.  ;)
Bill

Hi Bill

Yes it was on the Tyros and it IS STILL on the Genos.  It is now inside the Style box at the left hand side (when you have the Accompaniment turns on.

Bill
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Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests & Flaws
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2018, 01:25:55 PM »
Hi Bill

Yes it was on the Tyros and it IS STILL on the Genos.  It is now inside the Style box at the left hand side (when you have the Accompaniment turns on.

Bill

Yes it is there, Paul mention it on a post with a picture assigned to his post, but the BAR Counter does not exists anymore on Genos. You don't know for example how many measures from an intro there are till Main starts.
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Offline Bud2

Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests & Flaws
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2018, 09:31:30 AM »
Thanks, silly me, I had not got the Acmp button pressed when I tried it and most times while I have ben playing with the Acmp on I was not in the homw screen. Must be my age or "should have gone to Specsavers doh. ???
 

Offline keynote

Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests & Flaws
« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2018, 07:13:53 AM »
I have a request for Yamaha. When using the multi-pads you have the option to use up to four multi-pads at a time. Let's say you enable 3 of them and these are looped samples so they play continuously. Now let's say you want to turn one of the three multi-pads off so just two are playing. In order to do that you need to stop all three using the 'Stop' button and then re-enable the two you want back on.  This is inconvenient and really sort of illogical. Instead it would be more convenient and better to be able to "press" the multi-pad itself you want off and/or back on instead of using the 'Stop' button to turn them all off and then re-enabling the ones you want back on. So instead of having to use the 'Stop' button in order to change the multi-pads from on to off, using the individual buttons themselves to turn them off and back on if necessary would be more convenient and a more logical approach in my opinion.

Mike

Offline zionip

Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests & Flaws
« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2018, 07:32:44 AM »
Hi Mike,

I totally agree with you on this.  It is much more intuitive that the press of the multipad buttons to toggle between on and off, instead of having to press the stop button to stop all multipads, then press some of the multipad buttons to resume.

Paul
 

Offline tyrosaurus

Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests & Flaws
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2018, 07:47:42 AM »
When more than one multi pad is playing you should be able to stop specific ones by simply holding down the MP Stop button and then pressing the button of the MP that you want to stop!

This is exactly the same function as on numerous Tyros and PSR-S models, and is included on page 70 of the Genos Owner's manual.   

Does this not work on Genos!


Regards

Ian
 

Offline EileenL

Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests & Flaws
« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2018, 07:49:50 AM »
Just hold the stop button and press the one you want off. It has been this way on most other Yamaha keyboards.
  We seem to have posted at the same time. Yes it dose work on Genos.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2018, 07:56:50 AM by EileenL »
 

Offline zionip

Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests & Flaws
« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2018, 08:20:52 AM »
Yes, the stop + specific multi pad button to turn off that multi pad works.

Thanks,
Paul
 

Offline Joe H

Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests & Flaws
« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2018, 08:25:05 AM »
I spoke with Yamaha support several years ago about how they implemented the Multi Pad Start/ Stop.  The way it works is the STOP message is transmitted to the OS with the RELEASE of the STOP button... not the PRESS.  That's why when you want to stop one of the 4 buttons from playing, you press the Stop button then the Multi Pad button you want to stop... then RELEASE the Stop button.

I don't like the way they did this.. but that's how it works.  So I incorporated the Pad Stopper file in my registrations so everything works as it should when I arrange a piece of music using a registration bank.

Joe H
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Offline tyrosaurus

Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests & Flaws
« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2018, 08:59:07 AM »
I spoke with Yamaha support several years ago about how they implemented the Multi Pad Start/ Stop.  The way it works is the STOP message is transmitted to the OS with the RELEASE of the STOP button... not the PRESS.  That's why when you want to stop one of the 4 buttons from playing, you press the Stop button then the Multi Pad button you want to stop... then RELEASE the Stop button.

Hi Joe H,

Although you are correct about the point at which MPs turn off when you simply press and release the Stop button (pads stop when Stop button is released),  on my Tyros4 when multiple pads are playing and you hold down the Stop button, the pad that you want to stop, stops as soon as you press it's button, leaving the others playing.  You don't have to release the Stop button before the pad stops!


Regards

Ian
 

Offline Bud2

Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests & Flaws
« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2018, 09:04:51 AM »
This is not easy for anyone who wants to do this "on the fly" while playing though, surely not difficult to alter this in the OS, they had the chance while producing the Genos.
Bill
 

Offline keynote

Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests & Flaws
« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2018, 09:59:10 AM »
When more than one multi pad is playing you should be able to stop specific ones by simply holding down the MP Stop button and then pressing the button of the MP that you want to stop!

Regards

Ian

Well that's good to know Ian. I guess I overlooked that part of the manual. Still, as Bill pointed out, doing it on the fly is a little inconvenient in my opinion. You're pressing two buttons, the stop button and the MP button, and your finger (depending on which one you want to stop) has to extend a ways especially if you want to turn off the first MP. It would be more convenient just to be able to press the individual MP once to turn on and once to turn off instead of also having to press the Stop button as it is now. A software update should be able to accomplish this I would think. The Stop button would still be useful of course i.e. if you wanted to turn all the ones that are on off at the same time.

Mike
« Last Edit: January 06, 2018, 10:01:48 AM by keynote »
 

Offline Joe H

Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests & Flaws
« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2018, 10:15:41 AM »
Hi Joe H,

Although you are correct about the point at which MPs turn off when you simply press and release the Stop button (pads stop when Stop button is released),  on my Tyros4 when multiple pads are playing and you hold down the Stop button, the pad that you want to stop, stops as soon as you press it's button, leaving the others playing.  You don't have to release the Stop button before the pad stops!


Regards

Ian

Well that just goes to show us some differences (one of many) between the Tyros and PSR Operating Systems.  With this new knowledge, I'm surprised that it works differently. But there other functions that are different as well.  Sounds like the Genos works like the the PSRs.

BTW... When I suggest to Yamaha Tech Support I thought it should work as... toggle On/Off for each Mutli Pad button the response was... that's how YOU think it should work, but it works the way it works.  I thought about it a lot, and trust the programmer was probably right.  Better design would have been dedicated On / Off buttons like with the style Part On / Off.  So I think it came down to cost of reducing the number of buttons.  I'm only guessing here.  We can only speculate as to why things are designed the way they are.  It may have been an issue of adding the Multi Pads to decades old code.   

As I said elsewhere, I believe the Genos OS was a complete re-write of the firmware code. Specifically to do a better job of updates rather than patching the old code.

Joe H
« Last Edit: January 06, 2018, 10:26:08 AM by Joe H »
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Offline rbackes

Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests & Flaws
« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2018, 04:49:47 AM »
Hi,

I also have two or three wishes:

1. When working with registration banks and saving them (because you have changed something), you press the two regbank buttons or the upper part of the home screen, then the file nemu, then save, then save here, then OK to confirm the name, then Yes to overwrite the older version.
It would be much simpler, if we have two menu entries in the file menu: SAVE and SAVE AS. SAVE simply saves (and overwrites) the regbank, SAVE AS works as SAVE before. A save button on the Home Screen in the Registration Bank Area would be the absolute luxus.

2. When storing registrations using the Memory-Button + Reg Button, you get an Selection dialog, what to store in that registration. When changing that dialog (setting or removing marks) Genos remembers that for the next store (no matter what registration you store). It would be nice when I could get the same selection that I used to store that given registration before.
I currently use one Regbank per song. Registration 1 sets the whole environment for the song. With the following registrations I only store what I have changed (e.g. voice, transposer, volume settings etc.)

3. When loading Regbanks, I would like to have registration 1 activated automaticly.

Hope that someone @Yamaha reads this....

Yours

Rainer
 

Offline Dromeus

Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests & Flaws
« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2018, 05:33:43 AM »
@Rainer: thumbs up for wishes 1+2 ! But I think number 3 is not a good idea. Keeps you from loading a different reg bank while you are still performing.
Regards, Michael
 

Offline rbackes

Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests & Flaws
« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2018, 06:00:54 AM »
@Dromeus: You're right with my wish #3. That should be configurable. Songbook+ and MobileSheetsPro react on the Regbank loading as Genos emits a SysEx at loading.

Rainer
 

Offline vanray

Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests & Flaws
« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2018, 08:09:09 AM »
My 4th Request is :

That the Style-Recommender , be reinstated into the Genos

The Genos is meant to be an UPGRADE, not a Downgrade.
Theres quite a few features,in the Genos, that are are either missing,
or  have been forgotten.






 

Offline soryt

Re: Genos New Firmware Upgrade Requests
« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2018, 02:01:26 PM »
yes i agree
i too was looking for this, but its gone
i dont know how that could be added to a firmware upgrade
or whether its too late,
 because its something that would have had to have  been "Built-in"
like the Tyros 5

When you select "Tempo" in the Mainscreen you have the "Beat counter " in display .

Soryt
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Offline Stijn

Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests & Flaws
« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2018, 12:32:22 PM »
@ Soryt

Could you please make a screencapture of the Beat counter in the display?
That would be great.

Thanks,
Stijn
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Offline vanray

Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests & Flaws
« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2018, 06:26:17 AM »
Request no5

Reinstate the missing "Style-creator Bar-Display"

Its present in the tyro5,but  its missing in the Genos
when creating or editing styles in the genos, theres no way to know which bar your on.

More flaws to report later.



 

Offline markstyles

Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests & Flaws
« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2018, 09:51:29 AM »
Another annoyance for me, is if I am trying to audition a style..  I have a USB stick with a lot files, in folders..  If I pick a style, and then decide to try another, I go back up out of that folder..  However once I have done that, I don't know what folder my new style was in.

It would be a nice touch, if that folder stayed highlighted, or had a small symbol next to it. So I could get back to.  So if I audition a style, I must either write down on paper the location, or copy it to my user folder, or I might not find it again.. My usual procedure, is to audition a LOT of styles, and copy them to a temporary user folder. Then eventually I clean up the user folder, once the song is finished.. I delete, the unused styles

Which  brings me to the next annoyance. Why did Yamaha programmers decide to change the terminology of 'move and copy'?.. In every computer, and kbd system I have ever used  in any system, is 'Copy' and then move to new folder, and hit 'paste'..  Genos has decided to use 'copy to'..instead of 'paste'.. So you copy something and use copy too to a new place. Granted it is not a big change..   

Not a big deal. but the earlier more logical  process, of copy and paste, has been used for decades now..  I'm not sure if it the new generation of code programmers,  but I'm beginning to HATE manufacturers making change strickly for 'change itself'..  It is not logical, and it is not an  improvement..
 

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Re: Genos New Firmware Upgrade Requests
« Reply #42 on: January 16, 2018, 03:53:24 AM »
When you select "Tempo" in the Mainscreen you have the "Beat counter " in display .

Soryt

You don't have Beat Counter, you have an animated icon... that is not "beat counter"= "1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,...,245,246, etc" ;)
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Offline Joe H

Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests & Flaws
« Reply #43 on: January 16, 2018, 08:38:02 AM »
This is how it looks on the PSR S970 Main Screen.  We have ALL the info we need.  One screen shot shows this info and the second is when we select the Channels On/Off Panel button.

There is a saying the trades... "If it ain't broke; don't fix it"

Not sure why Yamaha would not use this same format for the Genos.  I think it is near perfect.

Joe H
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Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests & Flaws
« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2018, 12:28:09 PM »
This is how it looks on the PSR S970 Main Screen.  We have ALL the info we need.  One screen shot shows this info and the second is when we select the Channels On/Off Panel button.

There is a saying the trades... "If it ain't broke; don't fix it"

Not sure why Yamaha would not use this same format for the Genos.  I think it is near perfect.

Joe H

I don't think there is a best answer ...
Best regards, Joe! :)

Vali
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Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests & Flaws
« Reply #45 on: January 16, 2018, 02:16:37 PM »
Gee folks, it's sounding like a lot of people are regretting their Genos purchases. Are the fantastic new sounds not good enough to offset the miserable OS redesign features? It's sounding that way. Why the hell are we buying these keyboards in the first place? There's only one answer: to have fun making music!! That activity seems to be off the table now.

If the Genos OS has been re-designed so differently as to cause a major impediment to creativity, then count me out. I'll live with my T5 and its crappy pianos. For real pianos, I have a Nord. The rest of the T5 is stellar. At my age, I have enough on my plate dealing with a software world dominated by the total morons at Microsoft. I don't need more software issues!

When Canada finally gets a few more Genos keyboards, I'll audition one. If I can't sit down and just play the thing and find what I need at a glance, then Yamaha can keep it.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2018, 08:04:01 AM by Lee Batchelor »
Current Gear: Tyros 5, Nord Electro 5D, SoundCraft mixer, two Bose L1 Compacts, 15 inch sub designed and built by myself, Yamaha HS8 studio monitors, Cubase 8 Artist, Steinberg UR-44.
 

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Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests & Flaws
« Reply #46 on: January 17, 2018, 07:38:39 AM »
Hi Lee --

Well, rationally, this is a thread collecting requests and suggested changes/additions. So, it might seem like the sky is falling...  :o

I've been having an absolute blast with Genos and I haven't regretted the purchase for even a fraction of a second. Mainly, I've been playing this thing as a synth (no styles, tracks, etc.) and setting up registrations that I will use for church. The Genos' sounds are leading me to new, good sonic places -- new splits and layers that I didn't think of before. All quality.

For a brand new software/hardware platform, Genos is quite reliable and I haven't encountered any freezes, BSODs, error messages, whatever. The requests and suggestions posted here are the kinds of "divots" that one would expect with a brand new user interface just now exposed to the full brutality of end users.

I could be somewhat critical of a few of the threads recently (e.g., low S/N ratio), but won't. I am, however, awaiting the next full moon when I will join the coyotes in our neighborhood and we will all bay at the moon. Cathartic.  ;D

All the best and still rootin' for ya -- pj


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Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests & Flaws
« Reply #47 on: January 17, 2018, 09:46:46 AM »
Lee... is not "miserable", come on :))) it is only feature-less... but it appears to be updatable, upgradable and so on ..

But sincerely, is our fault it is not updated as it has to be... like I said in my thread "we are a team or what are we?!..." we have to send a lot of mails to Yamaha... Yamaha have to see we are a lot of people using Genos and encounter all the same errors ;)

Regards,
Vali
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Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests & Flaws
« Reply #48 on: January 17, 2018, 10:18:06 AM »
Hi Lee --

Well, rationally, this is a thread collecting requests and suggested changes/additions.


Not so, You are wrong,

A. the genos "Master compressor" is Faulty

B. plus there are missing buttons, that are present on the tyros 5
    like the "ALL" button for the "Groove" Beat converter.

C. plus the "Bar display" in the style creator, which is present in the tyros 5
    if your happy to have a New product that contains flaws and missing components
    then perhaps your only using half of it, while the rest of us are using All of it.

My guess is that:
if the Master compressor isnt fixed in the new firmware upgrade.
its because its not a software issue , its a hardware issues,
meaning that,there are MISSING COMPONENTS, that were overlooked in the Factory assembly line.

in which case, i will be getting a full refund under the "Consumer Rights Act 2015"
for selling a  Faulty product.

thank God i kept my Tyros 5 , Its priceless.

 

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Re: New Firmware Upgrade Requests & Flaws
« Reply #49 on: January 17, 2018, 10:27:00 AM »
Not so, You are wrong,

Well, so much for my attempt to be peaceable. Good luck with your lawsuit (or whatever)!

-- pj