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Offline ugawoga

Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« on: December 09, 2017, 10:56:39 AM »
Hi

I know this is Genos total , but my computer has gone dead.
After all that I have fixed up ,Genos Speakers and all, the **** computer dies!!! :-[

I need a quick recommendation for a music production computer 2017 quad core fast and 16 to 20 gig of ram and reliable for at least 6 years.
Any suggestions will do as I want to get all fixed up before Christmas
Thank god I imaged my drive.!!

All the best
John :)
Genos, I7 computer 32 gig ram, Focusrite 6i6, Cubase controller, Focal Alpha Monitors, Yamaha DXR8 Speakers
Cubase 10, Sonarworks, Izotope.  Sampletank, Arturia and Korg software.  Now IK Mixbox
 

Jeff Hollande

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Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2017, 01:22:27 PM »
Hi John,

Why not go for a Mac ?

Jeff
 

Michael R

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Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2017, 01:45:18 PM »
I agree with Jeff. After years of using a Windows pc I switched to a Mac, or should I say, I got a Mac as well as the pc.  Best thing I ever did!!

Michael
 

Offline Pianoman

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2017, 01:51:59 PM »
I too agree with Jeff.

A Mac is more musician friendly. But if you want to stick with Windows, there was a  PC from Asus that I had read about a long while ago. It seemed like a powerful machine, if I remember correctly.
Good luck.

Best Regards,
Pianoman.
« Last Edit: December 09, 2017, 05:04:18 PM by Pianoman »
 

Jeff Hollande

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Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2017, 03:10:47 PM »
Hi John,

I understand you want Cubase 9.5 now, right ?
Great prog for Mac !  :D

Jeff
 

Offline ugawoga

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2017, 03:16:36 PM »
Hi to all

The mac pro seems quite an expensive job  and I am looking for using a few  vst synths and  a good daw for editing the Genos
I have been looking at  the dell XPS tower and Acer Aspire TC 780 desktop pc.
They seem to recommend gaming computers as they are faster and can handle the processing power of some vst instruments.
What sort of mac computers do most use . I do not want a laptop. Rather have a tower.
I also changed  my cmos battery on my i7 (6 years old) and still the thing will not power up DEADED! all over!!KAPUT!!!
Asus are good  as Pianoman suggests and will have a look at them.I do have an Asus that i do all my Internet stuff on and that is quite perky for general use.


All the Best
john
jOHN
« Last Edit: December 09, 2017, 03:20:43 PM by ugawoga »
Genos, I7 computer 32 gig ram, Focusrite 6i6, Cubase controller, Focal Alpha Monitors, Yamaha DXR8 Speakers
Cubase 10, Sonarworks, Izotope.  Sampletank, Arturia and Korg software.  Now IK Mixbox
 

Jeff Hollande

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Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2017, 03:32:03 PM »
Hi John,

Buying a Mac depends on your budget and your needs and wishes. Go to google.

Installing win10 on a Mac is also possible.
See : https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204990

If you cannot start up your i7 at all, it looks like you have a power problem.
Their might be a lot of reasons.

See : https://www.lifewire.com/fix-a-computer-that-shows-no-sign-of-power-2624442.

Good luck, Jeff

 

Offline hammer

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2017, 03:35:23 PM »
John,
take a serious look at the ASUS line of computers if the Mac is not an option.  For decades ASUS supplied components for manufacturers and now they sell their own brand.  I used ASUS parts to build about 8 computers the last 10 years.  Very reliable and better than you are going to get with other brand names except Apple. 

Here is a link to the website:
https://www.asus.com/us/

Deane
 

Offline Rick D.

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2017, 03:59:05 PM »
Ugawoga,

It sounds like a bad power supply, which is a common problem with Dells if that is what your old computer is. They cost about $130.00 from Dell. Not sure if you know how to check the output of the power supply or not. I’m sure you can find something YouTube.
It’s pretty straight forward and will require an AC/DC volt meter.

Rick D.

Offline ugawoga

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2017, 04:42:08 PM »
Hi Deane
Which Asus is the one you would recommend as they look a little odd some of them
Needs to have 16 gig ram
If dells have power problems and all others seem to have quirks according to the various write ups I have read it is UGGGHH!!
This Is going to be a headache to sort out
I have given up on my old computer now  DEAD!!.power supply
« Last Edit: December 09, 2017, 04:43:15 PM by ugawoga »
Genos, I7 computer 32 gig ram, Focusrite 6i6, Cubase controller, Focal Alpha Monitors, Yamaha DXR8 Speakers
Cubase 10, Sonarworks, Izotope.  Sampletank, Arturia and Korg software.  Now IK Mixbox
 

Offline pjd

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2017, 04:47:35 PM »
It sounds like a bad power supply, which is a common problem with Dells if that is what your old computer is. They cost about $130.00 from Dell. Not sure if you know how to check the output of the power supply or not. I’m sure you can find something YouTube.
It’s pretty straight forward and will require an AC/DC volt meter.

Rick's suggestion is worth following up. John, if you don't trust Dell power supplies (and at this point maybe you shouldn't), there are several reputable brands of replacement power supplies. Since you're in the UK, I don't know what brands are specifically available to you. In the US, I've been using the same Antec supply in my machine for 6+ years. I recommend buying a new supply which exceeds the rated demands of the Dell. A little extra capacity doesn't hurt.

Best of luck -- pj
 

Offline ugawoga

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2017, 05:11:12 PM »
Hi Pj

I have had it with my pc as It is also nearly 7 years old and things like graphics card and bios are not updatable any more.

What do you think of this  £1099 -------Bad or Good ??

Looks like we get a different selection of computers than the USA in our stores

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« Last Edit: December 09, 2017, 05:16:52 PM by ugawoga »
Genos, I7 computer 32 gig ram, Focusrite 6i6, Cubase controller, Focal Alpha Monitors, Yamaha DXR8 Speakers
Cubase 10, Sonarworks, Izotope.  Sampletank, Arturia and Korg software.  Now IK Mixbox
 

Offline pjd

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2017, 08:08:27 PM »
Hi John --

I can't really say up or down since I don't follow computer product or pricing in the UK. Plus, your compute requirements are most likely different from my own. I don't use a lot of VSTs and even a fairly slow single core (!) machine can get my work done.

However, I see your point about fixing a seven year old machine. I would be inclined to get a new machine, too -- probably a very petite engine like an Intel NUC. I usually assemble my own configuration and haven't bought an HP, Acer, etc. for years! (And I used to work for HP, and AMD, ...)

All the best -- pj
 

Offline zionip

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2017, 09:32:30 PM »
Hi pj,

I am glad that you are satisfied with your Intel NUC, which seems to be excellent choice for doing light duty tasks.

Like you, I used to build my own computers, from DOS, Windows, to Hackintosh.  At one point of time, I built a desktop from scratch and finished assembling everything in about 45 minutes.  I am now done with desktops because of the lack of portability, and it is always tempting to upgrade hardware components on the desktops continuously.

Apple MacBook Pro used to be my favorite notebooks but its limitation on 16GB RAM, the lack of ports (the need for dongles, and more dongles), lack of support for touch, lack of user hardware expansion options, and slow CPUs, drove me to the Windows 10 side for 'serious' computing.  I still have 2 decent MacBook Pros in the backpacks, not being used at all for more than half a year.

I personally have had very bad user experience with Intel Skull Canyon NUC due to its hardware issues with DIMMs - it recognized 2 x 16GB DIMMs (within its specs) for a while, then crashed, could only boot with 1 x 16GB DIMM.  I tried several brands and models of DIMMs with the same results.  Then I searched and found a lot of users with the same complaints.  I wasted a couple of weeks in troubleshooting, exchanges, and finally had to return it.

While the Intel NUC was working, I noticed its little fan screamed very loudly when playing 4K 60fps Youtube videos, and its CPU usage was about 90%.  Now I am using a Sager NP-9876 notebook with a quad core i7-7700K desktop CPU, Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 GPU - it is quiet when playing 4K 60fps videos due to the dedicated GPU. 

Our compute requirements are definitely very different.  I just want to share with you my bad experience with Intel NUC, and rant about Apple laptop limitations.  :)

Thanks,
Paul
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Offline Rick D.

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2017, 09:52:48 PM »
Once it is in your head to get a new computer, there is no stopping you!
In the States Aces is not considered top of the line, but from the specs it looks fine if not overkill for what you need.
I have always owned Dells, granted they aren’t as good as they used to be, but at least if you do have a problem, their customer service is great.

Rick D.
« Last Edit: December 09, 2017, 09:53:56 PM by Rick D. »
 

AndrewKeyz

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Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2017, 09:58:18 PM »
I would get an i7 iMac 27 inch.
You definitely wouldn't need a Mac Pro for music production, perhaps if you ran a studio and recorded a different band each day I could see the need. But even in tests they concluded a new i7 iMac was better for 4K rendering than the current model Mac Pro.

If you get 3 year applecare you would have peace of mind till 2021 pretty much.

Windows is simply atrocious to use compared to Mac OSX. I had a recent small Dell machine I will be trying to sell ASAP. It was sitting on my digital piano for use with Flowkey. I part exchanged that piano for the Genos. Now the PC has no use as my Macs are simply superior for everything. The PC was simply unusable with the amount of background processes for updates that constantly hog the hard drive. I never felt comfortable booting it on and starting to use it, I was always wondering what the **** the computer was actually doing in the background as I could see the HDD light come on. Should have had it with SSD I guess but it still would have been messing about for sure. The touch screen is good on Windows if you have one but unnecessary really and can understand Apple haven't cared about it.
 

Offline pjd

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2017, 09:59:04 PM »
Hi Paul --

I'm actually still using my 7 year old AMD machine. Part of my old duties before I retired from AMD was testing our software product on virtually everything we made. Thus, I got to the point where I could build, swap, and troubleshoot various combinations of things in my sleep.   :)

Your comment about the NUC is helpful. I will eventually go with something in that form factor (e.g., micro ITX). I still find it hard to actually buy an Intel processor...  ;)

Thanks -- pj
 

Offline Kokoriz

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2017, 02:49:17 AM »
Would recommend building your own PC workstation as you can get quality parts and cheaper than a pre build PC. I did mine going on two years now and so far running smoothly. Also doing heavy video editing and running Cubase 9.5 at the moment and not a problem so far.
 

Offline markstyles

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2017, 04:08:02 AM »
I have a 2015 Mac Pro 6 core..  Not cheap.. especially after two RAID systems.

The next generation of Mac Pros are going to go back to some kind of cabinet/box.  Apple rather sheepishly admitted in their rush to be stylish,   the little Darth Vader head was not the wisest choice..  The cables are packed in so close, it's almost impossible to extract one, without upsetting others..   I do like the computer..

But who knows when the  next version of a Mac tower will come out.. They are worse than Yamaha when it comes to secrecy.

I use Logic Pro with Mac, since they own Logic, we're somewhat assured of it staying around but DAWS and computer platforms are all pretty well designed now..  But I think all DAWS and PC Platforms are not that different anymore..

After using Logic for 25 years now, I would NOT want to learn a new DAW at this point..  I personally would always use the more powerful mac, because of large amount of tracks, plug-ins. But the Laptop Pros are pretty capable.. 

If you get a mac, get the 3 years AppleCare.  It gives you three years of pretty decent tech support.. instead of 90 days..
 

Jeff Hollande

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Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2017, 06:28:32 AM »
Hi John,

I am almost sure it is absolutely not your intention to go for a MAC, right ?

Since you want a WIN pc only it is up to you to find out which WIN desktop hardware is the best choice for all your personal applications.

IMHO it is very important to know which software you will need to make your dreams come true before ordering any hardware.

Jeff
 

Spirit of the old South

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Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2017, 08:49:48 AM »
Hi John,

I am almost sure it is absolutely not your intention to go for a MAC, right ?

Since you want a WIN pc only it is up to you to find out which WIN desktop hardware is the best choice for all your personal applications.

IMHO it is very important to know which software you will need to make your dreams come true before ordering any hardware.

Jeff

Did you ever look at the current prices of a MAC?

A macbook is almost €3000
An Imac over €2000

A MAC pro? which is the dedicated way to go for a powerfull music computer called DAW
that is €6000 to €7000

I guess the price is enough for most people to buy a Windows machine.
First you need to decide laptop or desktop
then you go to the Dell website and make your choice.
Dell is a decent choice, with good support
And they have the broadest range of choices

I personally would go for a laptop
With a quadcore CPU
and 16 Gigs (32 if you want to run sample based VST's)
And a fast SSD atleast 500GB's
 

Offline Oldden

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2017, 10:09:59 AM »
Hi,
It's worth looking on the Internet, there are loads of reviews and reports out there, but some seem to be biased towards to one make over another. Many magazines have a web page with reviews, and then when you pick a machine out compare the prices.
Oldden
 

Offline ugawoga

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2017, 11:42:10 AM »
Hi Jeff and all

Well , thanks for all of your suggestions and a mac is way too expensive and I would have to change all of my software.
I had a guy suggest PC SPecialists here in the uk and they have got a good reputation for building pro audio computers.
I have done an online build from their skeleton and It comes to £1070.
It has a good power supply an ASUS motherboard and 16 gig of Corsair ram.
I did an online check of all main components and all check out good quality
I will give them a ring Monday and get an order in If happy


All the best
John
Genos, I7 computer 32 gig ram, Focusrite 6i6, Cubase controller, Focal Alpha Monitors, Yamaha DXR8 Speakers
Cubase 10, Sonarworks, Izotope.  Sampletank, Arturia and Korg software.  Now IK Mixbox
 

Jeff Hollande

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Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2017, 12:04:36 PM »

Hi John,

Happy to hear you will solve your pc problem soon, John.
Congratulations !

Jeff
 

jgriffin

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Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2017, 04:32:42 PM »
My Dell XPS18 died one day.  It was because I tried to put the headphone plug into the UPS port on the side panel.  I nearly cried because I don't have everything backed up (still don't).  I called Dell and the fix was very simple.  Just hold the power button in for 20 seconds.  I'll be danged if the **** thing didn't power right back up.  Since then I've only done that one more time and the fix worked again.  You'd think after the first time I would know better. 

That reminds me I was driving home from work in my new red Mustang and passed a speed trap that caught a car two lanes over from me.  The motorcycle cop hit him with the speed gun and stepped right out into the lane and motioned for him to turn in.  That was a couple of weeks ago - in fact it was exactly two weeks ago from last Tuesday when that same cop pulled me over in the same spot.  REALLY....I could not believe my own ignorance! 
 

Spirit of the old South

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Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #25 on: December 11, 2017, 05:25:29 AM »
My Dell XPS18 died one day.  It was because I tried to put the headphone plug into the UPS port on the side panel.  I nearly cried because I don't have everything backed up (still don't).  I called Dell and the fix was very simple.  Just hold the power button in for 20 seconds.  I'll be danged if the **** thing didn't power right back up.  Since then I've only done that one more time and the fix worked again.  You'd think after the first time I would know better. 

That reminds me I was driving home from work in my new red Mustang and passed a speed trap that caught a car two lanes over from me.  The motorcycle cop hit him with the speed gun and stepped right out into the lane and motioned for him to turn in.  That was a couple of weeks ago - in fact it was exactly two weeks ago from last Tuesday when that same cop pulled me over in the same spot.  REALLY....I could not believe my own ignorance!

We have a saying in Holland, even a donkey doesn't step two times on the same sharp stone.

Offline pjd

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2017, 01:57:10 PM »
That reminds me I was driving home from work in my new red Mustang and passed a speed trap that caught a car two lanes over from me.  The motorcycle cop hit him with the speed gun and stepped right out into the lane and motioned for him to turn in.  That was a couple of weeks ago - in fact it was exactly two weeks ago from last Tuesday when that same cop pulled me over in the same spot.  REALLY....I could not believe my own ignorance!

Got nailed that way myself -- on a stretch of road that I drove every day and KNEW where the speed trap was. Arg.

-- pj
 

jgriffin

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Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2017, 04:40:39 PM »
WE BAD!
 

Offline ugawoga

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2017, 11:47:16 AM »
Hi Jeff
 Settled for a Pc Specialist UK computer as they build them for Audio. Another company here in Uk that are good is Scan uk for computers specializing in audo
I was warned off of getting an off the shelf pc in the local stores!!!
It cost me £1750 , and hope this will last for the future
I got my old receipts out and my failed computer was purchased in 2009.
Due for another . This company have a good reputation and email me on every stage of build
It is in testing now and they test for a day to bed everything in and if ok goes through quality control for a day ,and then dispatched.
Also a good Guarantee and offer at a late stage advice and upgrades if necessary.
I hope now my Arturia synths and Fm8 and Sample Tank 3 and Korg Collection will run great with my Focusrite Scarlett  6i6.
The internal one was included, but I will use the Focusrite for music.
Should be good enough for using Magix pro and get some home movis done In 1080 quality.

This is the spec

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« Last Edit: December 12, 2017, 11:58:27 AM by ugawoga »
Genos, I7 computer 32 gig ram, Focusrite 6i6, Cubase controller, Focal Alpha Monitors, Yamaha DXR8 Speakers
Cubase 10, Sonarworks, Izotope.  Sampletank, Arturia and Korg software.  Now IK Mixbox
 

Jeff Hollande

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Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2017, 02:50:24 PM »
GREAT, John !🐹
I am very happy you have found what you need.👍

Enjoy, Jeff
 

Roland

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Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2017, 07:02:01 PM »
Hello John,

Great to see you found a solution. I use both, Windows and Mac. Mac I prefer, but their pricing has become just unreasonable in the last little while - so unless I can get away with a Mac Mini or MacBook Air - they won't see me anymore in their store. For my Cubase work I use a Windows box and aside of the typical Windows quirks - it motors along OK. Have fun with your new PC and take good care. Cheers, Roland
 

Offline ugawoga

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2017, 08:17:11 PM »
Hi Roland
Been away from the club lately ,but back soon when all is settled down
With the Genos and new speakers and then the computer falling over my man cave needs a makeover.

I have done my groin in crawling around under the desk feeding leads through this and that and trapping  my neck on the underside trying to get out. "The Pain"!!! :P
Imagine the scenario!! :o
Hope all is well with you Roland and have a happy Christmas.
Hope I don't get a Hippopotomus for Christmas!!! ;D

All the best
John :)
« Last Edit: December 12, 2017, 08:18:55 PM by ugawoga »
Genos, I7 computer 32 gig ram, Focusrite 6i6, Cubase controller, Focal Alpha Monitors, Yamaha DXR8 Speakers
Cubase 10, Sonarworks, Izotope.  Sampletank, Arturia and Korg software.  Now IK Mixbox
 

Offline ugawoga

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2017, 08:18:27 PM »
Hi Jeff
Go for a Genos ,you will not look back!!


All the best
John :)
Genos, I7 computer 32 gig ram, Focusrite 6i6, Cubase controller, Focal Alpha Monitors, Yamaha DXR8 Speakers
Cubase 10, Sonarworks, Izotope.  Sampletank, Arturia and Korg software.  Now IK Mixbox
 

Jeff Hollande

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Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2017, 08:34:06 PM »
I do not think so, John ... I am very happy with my present
configuration : S770 and PA700.

Jeff
 

Offline XeeniX

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2017, 08:53:15 PM »
Hot D..n Just had a look at those specs John. That's a beast John, hope you can control it ;)

congrats!

Peter
 

Offline ugawoga

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2017, 10:31:57 PM »
Hi Peter
After the last couple of years with my eight year old computer things were slowing up and taking longer to open with win 10 updates, I decided to get a decent computer that hopefully is future proofed for at least six years.
With today's vst's getting more computer hungry we need something decent.
With the Genos side It is not so bad as midi triggers the onboard sounds.
Pc Specialists UK  build your computer and then put the machine under tests including heat testing for a day and see if anything is wrong and if ok then goes through quality control.
So when you get your machine It is fully bedded In.They also give me daily updates and should be dispatched to me this Friday, so I guess Monday It will be delivered.
They also put your machine in really strong bump proof packaging.On top of that I like the 3 year collect and return ,parts and labour if anything goes up the creek.
For six to eight years £1500 is not bad. Cheaper than a smoker trying to get to heaven. ;D

All the Best
John :)
Genos, I7 computer 32 gig ram, Focusrite 6i6, Cubase controller, Focal Alpha Monitors, Yamaha DXR8 Speakers
Cubase 10, Sonarworks, Izotope.  Sampletank, Arturia and Korg software.  Now IK Mixbox
 

Offline ugawoga

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #36 on: December 12, 2017, 10:34:16 PM »
Hi Jeff

When settled I will give you a report of my findings with Cubase.
Lot going on wth the dreaded Christmas rush!! :P

I have got only one moan about the Genos  "It shows all the Dust " have to keep cleaning the top . No good if you got a touch of psoriasis or a flakey scalp!!! ;D

all the best
John :)
« Last Edit: December 12, 2017, 10:43:24 PM by ugawoga »
Genos, I7 computer 32 gig ram, Focusrite 6i6, Cubase controller, Focal Alpha Monitors, Yamaha DXR8 Speakers
Cubase 10, Sonarworks, Izotope.  Sampletank, Arturia and Korg software.  Now IK Mixbox
 

Offline ugawoga

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2017, 10:36:12 PM »
Spirit of the South

Those Macs are way too expensive for what they are!!


all the best
John :) :)
Genos, I7 computer 32 gig ram, Focusrite 6i6, Cubase controller, Focal Alpha Monitors, Yamaha DXR8 Speakers
Cubase 10, Sonarworks, Izotope.  Sampletank, Arturia and Korg software.  Now IK Mixbox
 

Offline maartenb

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2017, 09:51:48 AM »
This is the spec

Hi John, these specs look amazing except for one thing: it only has spinning hard disks, no solid state SSD!

This doesn't make sense. These guys clearly know what they are doing, based on these specs. But the first hard disk is a spinning one, and the second hard disk a meager 500GB? Granted, they both are 7200RPM, but no SSD??

It's like having a Ferrari on skeeler wheels: a very fast machine crippled with slow HD.

I expected one NVMe M.2 solid state storage (or at least a SATA SSD), combined with a large volume (2TB) hard disk. The SSD is for Windows and often used applications. The large sized hard disk is for sample libraries, and less used applications.

Please ask them why they chose spinning storage only! It would be a shame if you can't use the performance of this PC to its full potential!


Maarten
 

Offline ugawoga

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2017, 10:34:48 AM »
Hi Maarten

Thanks for your comments.
I rang Pc specialists and the tech guy agreed with you and I have had it changed.
Cost me some more and has to go through testing again.
Hope that will do It Maarten
It was my fault as I changed the drives not knowing what the consequences were.
I know what you are saying now.
We all learn the hard way!!
I will still get the machine for Christmas!!


Thank you very much for putting me right Maarten


All the best
John :)
« Last Edit: December 13, 2017, 11:47:41 AM by ugawoga »
Genos, I7 computer 32 gig ram, Focusrite 6i6, Cubase controller, Focal Alpha Monitors, Yamaha DXR8 Speakers
Cubase 10, Sonarworks, Izotope.  Sampletank, Arturia and Korg software.  Now IK Mixbox
 

Offline andyg

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #40 on: December 13, 2017, 10:40:43 AM »
I have to agree about the SSD, it makes a huge difference. I put one in this PC, it boots into Win 7 in 25 seconds. I did the same with the laptop and that's up and running in just over 15! Opening apps is done in a flash and loading in samples is much faster.

There are a few good Audio PC makers in the UK and you've gone with one of them! I thought about it 7 years ago, but have always built my own so did so again, and it's still going strong. Has an XP side that still runs loads of older software, and a Win 7 side for day to day use, plus the later versions of Cubase and Sibelius etc.

Let us know how the new PC fares!
It's not what you play, it's not how you play. It's the fact that you're playing that counts.

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Offline ugawoga

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #41 on: December 13, 2017, 11:47:00 AM »
Hi Andy

Thanks to Maarten as this situation was all my fault. I changed the drives around thinking the bigger drive should be for the main drive.
I do not use a  second drive for lots of things as all the finished things can be put on a separate external drive for storage. Anyway I have lots of storage space now.
With my Daw and vst instruments plus all the editing tools the main drive adds up to about 200 gig including win 10.
Thankfully I can now have the proper wheels put on the Ferrari!! ;D
Hopefull I can also do some holiday movies or some movement for songs with Magix pro also

Pc specialist were very good and immediately got my computer out from dispatch and they are now working on It. It is now with Harry!! :o "oooz's Arry!!" ;D
Expensive mistake, another £100  for the change.
I suppose it Is better than being done for speeding!! ::)
Another learn curve to get over!! :)
In the meantime I can get lots of practice in on the Genos. The clarity is amazing!!
A good bit of tweaking to the registrations and sounds to be done with the old Tyros 5 song set ups.
That will keep me busy until the computer comes.
Anyway this will help anyone getting a computer to go with the Genos and vst's following this section as It is hard trying to get things right when you are not an expert.
Big thanks for all of your help.


All the best
John
« Last Edit: December 13, 2017, 12:08:17 PM by ugawoga »
Genos, I7 computer 32 gig ram, Focusrite 6i6, Cubase controller, Focal Alpha Monitors, Yamaha DXR8 Speakers
Cubase 10, Sonarworks, Izotope.  Sampletank, Arturia and Korg software.  Now IK Mixbox
 

jgriffin

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Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #42 on: December 13, 2017, 02:49:12 PM »
Hi John......it has been very interesting and entertaining keeping up with your equipment journey!!

First....what does UGAWOGA mean?  LOL

Second....what is your ultimate output with all this amazing equipment?  Just curious Georgette here.
 

Offline ugawoga

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #43 on: December 13, 2017, 05:21:40 PM »
Hi Jg

I took that from the Muppets show.!! ;D UGAWOGA!!
I do want to edit the Genos on the computer and that really does not use hardly any recources.
I now have the Arturia synth collection and a few other vst synths Including Sampletank 3 and Syntronik.
All of that uses quite a bit of ram and recources from the computer when multi-tracking in a daw such as Sonar Platinum.
Also you have a lot of effects that uses up more .
I got this computer with a lot of headroom for future proofing up to six to eight years.
My now defunct early I7's motherboard and graphics card was not updatable any more and a lot of other things in the devices column, not updatable.
Last week the computer went KAPUT!!. Even a defibrillator could not get It going again.
So things start to slow up and with an operating system like Win 10, It is only a matter of time before It acts like a ZX Spectrum ::) ;D.
When the new computer arrives, i want to start making electronic music  like Jarre, Camel, Bo Hannsson, Ozric Tenacles, Oldfield, a hybrid of those type of influences.
That Is my ultimate goal, but practicing  and playing without engineering a song is most important to me.
I hope that is a good explanation.

Another thing that can slow you up Is things like Norton Anti-virus and Malware programs ,but they are necessary If you download or update vst's and Daw's
I only use a music computer to do the necessary downloading. I have another computer for general Internet use.
I do not play out and I am home studio based.
Over time I think in my view is you get what you pay for  and i do not want to fiddle about inside electrical equipment as I would get my fingers burnt.
I cannot thank Maarten enough as I had the drives around the wrong way when I Ifilled in the spec.
Fancy having a Ferrari on Skeeter wheels. I think in my terms It means trolley wheels from Tesco!! ;D

All the best
John :)


All the Bsest
John
« Last Edit: December 13, 2017, 07:46:22 PM by ugawoga »
Genos, I7 computer 32 gig ram, Focusrite 6i6, Cubase controller, Focal Alpha Monitors, Yamaha DXR8 Speakers
Cubase 10, Sonarworks, Izotope.  Sampletank, Arturia and Korg software.  Now IK Mixbox
 

Jeff Hollande

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Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #44 on: December 13, 2017, 05:49:22 PM »
Hi John,

As you might remember I am a frequent DAW user.
I am using a lot of VST's.
I have a simple i3 Win pc and an old G5 Mac / 2Ghz.

I never met serious problems but I am sure an i5 and surely an i7 are absolutely more powerful.

On the other hand I am still convinced a Mac is a better and a more stable tool for deep editing jobs.

But ... who am I ?

Cheers, Jeff
 

Offline ugawoga

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #45 on: December 13, 2017, 07:53:17 PM »
Hi Jeff

Using just midi and the Tyros or Genos ,the I3 is enough

For vst's on a lot of tracks the I7 is the better  Quad core or plus is better than Dual Core.


All the Best
John

Ps I think The PC Specialist's are still Hammering and chiseling away at my I7 up there In Wakefield!! ;D
Genos, I7 computer 32 gig ram, Focusrite 6i6, Cubase controller, Focal Alpha Monitors, Yamaha DXR8 Speakers
Cubase 10, Sonarworks, Izotope.  Sampletank, Arturia and Korg software.  Now IK Mixbox
 

Offline Oldden

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #46 on: December 13, 2017, 08:16:25 PM »
Hi,
Also 8th generation Intel chips are reputed to be up to 40 per cent faster than 7th generation chips.
Oldden.
 

Offline ugawoga

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #47 on: December 15, 2017, 01:52:01 PM »
Also Cod is better than Pollock!! ;D
Genos, I7 computer 32 gig ram, Focusrite 6i6, Cubase controller, Focal Alpha Monitors, Yamaha DXR8 Speakers
Cubase 10, Sonarworks, Izotope.  Sampletank, Arturia and Korg software.  Now IK Mixbox
 

Jeff Hollande

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Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #48 on: December 15, 2017, 03:12:53 PM »
If I were a rich man ...🎵🎵

Jeff
 

Offline maartenb

Re: Genos all great everything 100% then OH No!!
« Reply #49 on: December 15, 2017, 05:09:32 PM »
I cannot thank Maarten enough as I had the drives around the wrong way when I Ifilled in the spec.
You're welcome! Glad I could help.

Don't beat yourself up over the 100 quid. Having two hard disks would be far worse!  ;) You got it corrected in time, and that's what matters.

You will have a blazingly fast machine!!


Maarten