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voodoo:
Hey,

I tried to do some preset voice editing for Tyros and Genos preset voices using YEM 2.5. I made some interesting observations:

* In YEM we can create Tyros 5 custom voices and Genos custom voices
* Tyros custom voices can be used on Genos, but not vice versa
* Edit dialogs are different for normal voices, Tyros 5 custom voices and Genos custom voices
* Genos custom voices have parameters for mono legato
* Genos custom voices can select new DSP, for example Real Rotary
* Genos UVF format contains new parameters for storing all 16 DSP parameters in a block calles effect set

According to datalist, the DSP parameters are saved to song and registry, but not to voice set. This has to be examined further.

So long, please give comments.

Pj, interested?

Uli

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pjd:
Hi Uli --

Thanks for making the comparison and posting the screenshots. Fabulous!

YEM as it is should be enough to build layered voices using regular voice waveforms. I feel pretty good about that. As you mentioned in a different post, more control over elements would be welcome: cross-fade, amplitude sensitivity, etc.

We've already discussed the need for SArt and SArt2 voice editing, so there's no need to go there, again (and again, and again :-) )

One short term fix/extension that Yamaha need to make is the ability to handle 18 or more DSP parameters. Sixteen parameters is not enough to edit and store the 18 parameters in the new rotary speaker effect. Here are the parameters as taken from the Montage Data List:

No.                        Parameter                     Range Value
- -----------------------  ----------------------------  -----------
1 Speed Control            Slow, Fast                    (0 - 1)
2 Drive                    0.0 - 10.0                    (0 - 100)
3 Tone                     0.0 - 10.0                    (0 - 100)
4 Rotor/Horn Balance       R63>H - R=H - R<H63           (1 - 127)
5 Output Level             0 - 127                       (0 - 127)
6 Mic L-R Angle            0deg, 90deg, 120deg, 180deg   (0 - 3)
7 Input Level              -6dB - 0dB - +6dB             (52 - 76)
8 Modulation Depth         0 - 63                        (0 - 63)
9 -
10 -
11 Slow-Fast Time of Horn  x0.21 - x1.00 - x2.00         (14 - 127)
12 Fast-Slow Time of Horn  x0.21 - x1.00 - x2.00         (14 - 127)
13 Rotor Speed Slow        0.0rpm - 88.3rpm              (0 - 127)
14 Horn Speed Slow         0.0rpm - 89.6rpm              (0 - 127)
15 Rotor Speed Fast        189.3rpm - 736.8rpm           (1 - 127)
16 Horn Speed Fast         209.4rpm - 817.6rpm           (1 - 127)
17 Slow-Fast Time of Rotor x0.21 - x1.00 - x2.00         (14 - 127)
18 Fast-Slow Time of Rotor x0.21 - x1.00 - x2.00         (14 - 127)

Without extension, we won't be able to set and store the rotor (de)acceleration (transition) times.

I realize that one needs to handle 99.99% of the cases in order get the product shipped and out the door. However, I hope that the Genos team realize that their own effect programmers are getting out ahead of the Genos user interface software. If the effect guys create more effect algorithms with greater than 16 parameters, we won't be able to change and store all of them either.

Hey, hey, thanks for diving into this! (And the diff!)

-- pj

P.S. My time and posts are going to be erratic this week. Sorry (in advance).

voodoo:

--- Quote from: pjd on November 06, 2017, 01:41:05 PM ---
No.                        Parameter                     Range Value
- -----------------------  ----------------------------  -----------
1 Speed Control            Slow, Fast                    (0 - 1)
2 Drive                    0.0 - 10.0                    (0 - 100)
...
17 Slow-Fast Time of Rotor x0.21 - x1.00 - x2.00         (14 - 127)
18 Fast-Slow Time of Rotor x0.21 - x1.00 - x2.00         (14 - 127)

Without extension, we won't be able to set and store the rotor (de)acceleration (transition) times.

--- End quote ---

And I realized that the new parameter "2 Drive" seems to have no effect on the demo keyboard. So we have to see what time will bring.

Uli

pjd:
Hi Uli --

Thanks. We should pull together a short letter to Yamaha summarizing rotary organ specific issues. That might be more valuable and effective than a long eclectic shopping list.

We could work both sides of the Atlantic.  :)

-- pj

FantomX:

--- Quote from: voodoo on November 06, 2017, 11:17:50 AM ---Hey,

I tried to do some preset voice editing for Tyros and Genos preset voices using YEM 2.5. I made some interesting observations:

* In YEM we can create Tyros 5 custom voices and Genos custom voices
* Tyros custom voices can be used on Genos, but not vice versa
* Edit dialogs are different for normal voices, Tyros 5 custom voices and Genos custom voices
* Genos custom voices have parameters for mono legato
* Genos custom voices can select new DSP, for example Real Rotary
* Genos UVF format contains new parameters for storing all 16 DSP parameters in a block calles effect set

According to datalist, the DSP parameters are saved to song and registry, but not to voice set. This has to be examined further.

So long, please give comments.

Pj, interested?

Uli

--- End quote ---
      If you set Yamaha PSR A3000 instead of Yamaha Genos, can the LEGATO function be used in this latest YEM version? Thanks (I ask because I did not install this latest version in P.C.!

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