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« Reply #240 on: June 27, 2013, 11:10:41 AM »

thanx for info all ,,, have a yep voice manager ?? or still not yet finish that software???
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« Reply #241 on: June 27, 2013, 12:02:21 PM »

Did I miss something somewhere.  A Yamaha YEP Voice Editor manual...  To use with which software?

Where's the Yamaha Voice editor?

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« Reply #242 on: June 27, 2013, 11:58:31 PM »

Did I miss something somewhere.  A Yamaha YEP Voice Editor manual...  To use with which software?

Where's the Yamaha Voice editor?

Joe H
It is a YEP creator, not a YEP editor. A download link was posted in this post, or you can search the web.
However, it seems that the software is just a LE version. No sample loop points setting, no velocity layers setting.
Note: Please continue reading this post.

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« Reply #243 on: June 28, 2013, 12:20:29 AM »

to Dick Rector:
Many thanks for your reply.
I tried to compare these files:
A20005-Best-Of-Europe V3.yep
and
S6505-Best-of-Europe V3.yep

so I have found that the sample length is coded identically if the
VWDT format is 06.
This could be reason, why uTG wave samples was badly converted.
(perhaps)

Here is new version.
Could you try it please?
Hi v.muller,
Excuse me, how is sample loop area defined in the YEP file? And velocity layers?
It seems there is neither sample loop seeting nor velocity layers setting in the Expansion Voice Editor.

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« Reply #244 on: June 28, 2013, 11:49:29 AM »

C_G,

Yamaha calls it Expansion Voice Editor software.

I did a search and couldn't find the software.

Joe H

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« Reply #245 on: June 28, 2013, 05:53:06 PM »

C_G,

Yamaha calls it Expansion Voice Editor software.

I did a search and couldn't find the software.

Joe H

Could not find it? Well, read this post Wink:
http://forum.yamaha-europe.com/showthread.php?38830-Expansion-Voice-Editor
The editor saves / loads YPP project, and exports YEP file. No "import YEP" function.

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« Reply #246 on: June 30, 2013, 02:32:27 PM »

i neeed yep voice manager coz i want to manage my yep ,, so can import or export yep file ,,
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« Reply #247 on: July 02, 2013, 01:41:23 PM »

I'm interested in the process (PSR s750), which can be created (via expansion Voice Editor) hand written loops and samples (yep format), for example from an existing expansion puck out what we do not like, and add some of my loops and samples. It would be nice if we get this environmentally clarify this. If I understand it, within a voice element exists stumbled 8 elements. This means that it is possible from a single sample properties (for example, which has 8 sounds, etc. a1, cis, b4, dis3, etc etc ...) to form one yep color and then save. How to proceed within a modified exp pack continue to fill color and everything to be at the end of the memorized as a whole

Thank you for your answers
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« Reply #248 on: July 03, 2013, 09:05:36 AM »

Dear friends,
It is much relief what I read here, that there would possibly a chance to create or edit YEP, thanks for all the hard work from the technology enthusiast friends here. This will be very helpful for me since I planned to get S950 this year.

Well, as far as I know, here in Indonesia we only concern about the voice, not the style (Since Dangdut is the only style that have most fans, and some other traditional styles). In fact, many of people here (in some forums I joined) keep busy comparing the voice of all the brands/ types, sometimes without manners too.
So, the least we need is an Editor which allows us to include our own WAV files, especially drums and bass.

Thank you very much to all of you, for all your hard work.  Smiley

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« Reply #249 on: July 03, 2013, 09:09:36 AM »

no, that's a cracked and unlimited version

Free Download Yamaha Expansion Voice Editor from: www.yamahatools.tk
Umm... the link is dead, would you please upload again? Thanks in advance

Could not find it? Well, read this post Wink:
http://forum.yamaha-europe.com/showthread.php?38830-Expansion-Voice-Editor
The editor saves / loads YPP project, and exports YEP file. No "import YEP" function.

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C_G
Thanks for the link, I have installed. But I only find S650 and A2000. Could you help me on this? Thank you  Smiley
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« Reply #250 on: July 03, 2013, 12:47:21 PM »

S650 yep files are for Yamaha S650 only.
A2000 yep files are for all others yep compatible keyboards.
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« Reply #251 on: July 03, 2013, 05:11:46 PM »

S650 yep files are for Yamaha S650 only.
A2000 yep files are for all others yep compatible keyboards.

That's correct but there is also this little program that will convert the 650 packs to A2000 (and 750 - 950)

As long as the original pack is in extended memory, I have been able to edit that pack (tweaked it a bit) and saved the outcome in the normal user memory. Yes, it saves all the special voices and drumkits of the original pack there.
One can NOT copy that straight to an USB STICK as we know but using 'MusicSoft Downloader' I transferred these tweaked styles to my PC and used the other little program available on this thread to transfer it into the original pack (a copy of course!) on an USB-stick and loaded it into the extended memory, just as you would normally do with a YEP pack. I even added two other styles in that pack and used the audio voices and drumkits available. However.... if an original pack is let's say 20 MB, one can NOT load much more than that in that pack.
But just trying for the fun of it.... in a (copy)pack of nearly 60MB I threw all the original styles out and was able to load 126 external styles, tweaked some of them again and used the available original audio voices and drumkits in the pack.

My two cents for today.

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« Reply #252 on: July 03, 2013, 10:04:22 PM »

That's correct but there is also this little program that will convert the 650 packs to A2000 (and 750 - 950)

Of course - my programs.  Smiley
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« Reply #253 on: July 03, 2013, 11:16:09 PM »

Of course - my programs.  Smiley
Thank you for your great work Smiley.
Excuse me, how is sample loop area defined in the YEP file? And velocity layers?
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« Reply #254 on: July 03, 2013, 11:21:56 PM »

Of course - my programs.  Smiley

Yes V.MULLER all the honor and thanks to you. You made these programs and I have NO IDEA how they work but they do!!
It is a joy to play around with them. Cheesy
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« Reply #255 on: July 03, 2013, 11:30:00 PM »

Yes V.MULLER all the honor and thanks to you. You made these programs and I have NO IDEA how they work but they do!!
It is a joy to play around with them. Cheesy
Yes, thanks to V.MULLER. The converter is really cool.
What is the next great YEP program? Something like SFZ2YEP?
Just hope we can make full functional YEPs ourselves.
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« Reply #256 on: July 04, 2013, 10:00:43 AM »

mr. v .muller ,,, how about ur program yep voice manager ? have a finsih ur program ? so we san import yep file ..
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« Reply #257 on: July 04, 2013, 10:53:54 AM »

Well, thx to V.Muller for that software.  Grin
but for now I am still learning about that YEP voice editor, while hoping for a tutorial soon.

Thanks again for the hard work all.  Smiley
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« Reply #258 on: July 05, 2013, 04:33:11 AM »

Well, thx to V.Muller for that software.  Grin
but for now I am still learning about that YEP voice editor, while hoping for a tutorial soon.

Thanks again for the hard work all.  Smiley

There is a link of "Expansion_Voice_Editor_Owner's_Manual.pdf" on page 6. Hope it can help you.
A2000 YEPs are also YEPs for PSR-S750/S950.
But I think the current "Expansion Voice Editor" is a LE version. Sample loop function and velocity layers function are not found in this version.
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« Reply #259 on: July 05, 2013, 01:06:13 PM »

But I think the current "Expansion Voice Editor" is a LE version. Sample loop function and velocity layers function are not found in this version.

Sample loops must be saved in the wave file.
Try for example my attachment.

I am sure that the velocity layers could be set only in "uTG Voice Editor".
The official Yamaha yep files are builded using the "uTG Voice Editor" and the Expansion Voice Editor is used only as a compiler.
(See the "Create Expansion Pack" - window: Voice File, Wave File, VoiceSet File)
As I heard: The "uTG Voice Editor" is software for Apple Macintosh and it does not work without some hardware (tone generator).
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« Reply #260 on: July 05, 2013, 02:14:48 PM »

v.muller,

Yes, the Voice Editor saves all the Voice and styles put into a "Project" then can be saved as a YEP.

I tried an experiment... I created a .ypp file in the editor and then copied the header of the .ypp into an existing .YEP file (I removed the YEP header) and I was able to load THE YEP FILE into the Voice Editor, but the Style List and Voices did not show up in the editor.

I think the reason is that I would have to extract the WAV files from the YEP and put them into a folder. I am able to extract the style files, but not the WAV files. Do you have a utility to extrat the audo files from a YEP?

Also I'm wondering if maybe I didn't copy enough header information, or if the YEP is "compiled" into a different format and it is not possible to accomplish this trick.

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« Reply #261 on: July 06, 2013, 09:33:44 AM »

Hopefully will be possible to rearrange the order of the offset and byte length of each section EVHD, IPT, VVST, VWDT, VPRM (including rearrange the order of Normal & Drum Kit Voice Bank MSB-LSB-PCN) on merging some S650 YEP.
So later through existing tools converted to A2000 YEP format, and can be read by the S950/S750/A2000 as a valid single unit YEP installations with maximum size 64MB.

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« Reply #262 on: July 07, 2013, 02:02:17 AM »

I tried an experiment... I created a .ypp file in the editor and then copied the header of the .ypp into an existing .YEP file (I removed the YEP header) and I was able to load THE YEP FILE into the Voice Editor, but the Style List and Voices did not show up in the editor.

Hi Joe,
The YPP file is just a XML document. You can open it in a text editor such as the notepad.

Also I'm wondering if maybe I didn't copy enough header information, or if the YEP is "compiled" into a different format and it is not possible to accomplish this trick.

The YPP is totally different from the YEP.
The largest problem we have to face now is the uTG wave format. It is a private format of YAMAHA.

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« Reply #263 on: July 07, 2013, 02:13:57 AM »

Sample loops must be saved in the wave file.
Try for example my attachment.
Do you mean the loop points are directly marked in the sample wave file? How to mark the loop points?
I will try with your sample later. Thanks!

The official Yamaha yep files are builded using the "uTG Voice Editor" and the Expansion Voice Editor is used only as a compiler.
(See the "Create Expansion Pack" - window: Voice File, Wave File, VoiceSet File)
As I heard: The "uTG Voice Editor" is software for Apple Macintosh and it does not work without some hardware (tone generator).
Do you mean the uTG Voice format is still a secret of YAMAHA? If so, it is impossible for us to make unoffical full functional YEP (with mulity velocity layers voice), right?
Thank you very much!

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« Reply #264 on: July 07, 2013, 04:16:51 AM »

Do you mean the loop points are directly marked in the sample wave file? How to mark the loop points?
My attached sample contains the loop marks.
I thing it was edited using "Zero-X Seamless Looper"
It works me, but this software out of stock.
Maybe the freeware "Endless WAV" could be used too.
http://www.bjoernbojahr.de/

Do you mean the uTG Voice format is still a secret of YAMAHA? If so, it is impossible for us to make unoffical full functional YEP (with mulity velocity layers voice), right?
Maybe you can create voice with 2 elements.
Create yep file.
And then use OLE Toy for manualy changing the velocity ranges.
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« Reply #265 on: July 07, 2013, 05:31:27 AM »

Korg PA-900 allow to load SoundFont files... Why Yamaha is still doing all in the complicated way? Huh Huh Huh Huh
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« Reply #266 on: July 08, 2013, 11:42:45 AM »

Hi Muller,

Is it possible to change the velocity  range of different voice elements in OLE toy? if so, it is in fact a big step forward, basically who needs uTG editor anymore.

BTW, I hope to see your final voice manager soon. Let me know if I could be of any assistance.

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« Reply #267 on: July 08, 2013, 12:10:00 PM »

Re: Is it possible to change the velocity range of different voice elements in OLE toy?
- Yes, it is possible to change the velocity range for every key bank.

Re: ...basically who needs uTG editor anymore.
- The uTG Voice editor can create compressed wave (something like mp3 but it is yamaha secret format)
This means - yamaha official yep files can contains many more sounds.

Re: I hope to see your final voice manager soon. Let me know if I could be of any assistance.
- I am working on it, but I have not many free time now. (I must to help my wife with our new born son.)
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« Reply #268 on: July 08, 2013, 07:16:31 PM »

VMuller
Congratulations on the son. That's wonderful!
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« Reply #269 on: July 08, 2013, 07:42:29 PM »

And from me! Congratulations v.muller with the newborn son. Grin
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« Reply #270 on: July 08, 2013, 07:44:14 PM »

Yes in deed! Congratulations on the newborn son.  Cool Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley

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« Reply #271 on: July 08, 2013, 08:38:27 PM »

Also from me, Congratulations to Mr. Muller for the birth of his beloved son.
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« Reply #272 on: July 09, 2013, 02:05:09 AM »

Congratulations V.Muller!!
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« Reply #273 on: July 09, 2013, 08:05:02 AM »

And one more time.  Congratulations v. muller!

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« Reply #274 on: July 09, 2013, 09:13:56 AM »

Congratulations v. muller!
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« Reply #275 on: July 09, 2013, 10:10:30 AM »

Muller,

My cordial felicitations on your newborn,

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« Reply #276 on: July 09, 2013, 08:08:17 PM »

Congratulations v. muller!

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« Reply #277 on: July 10, 2013, 02:06:16 AM »

@V muller:
congrats for the newborn baby. have given name yet?
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« Reply #278 on: July 12, 2013, 10:22:12 AM »

if YEP VOICE MANAGER  already finish ,,, maybe we can to manage all yep files to one yep
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« Reply #279 on: July 12, 2013, 04:59:57 PM »

I doubt it AMR, you need a lot of internal memory-space in the user area. For the S950 about max 60MB is available and that is what one of the free European packs using already. So put all packs together in one?? I don't think it is possible.
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