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« Reply #40 on: December 14, 2012, 05:57:46 AM »

Comosus,
1.  Both the S950 and the PA600 use multi pads.
2   S950 uses registrations - the PA600 performances.
3.  S950 has a MusicFinder the PA600 the Songbook feature.
4.  S950 display is inferior to the PA600 display.


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« Reply #41 on: December 14, 2012, 07:25:55 AM »

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1.  S950 can layer 2 voices  the PA600 3.
2.  S950 has VH PA600 does not.
3.  S950 has literally thousands of styles available - Korg PA600 not so much.
4.  S950 still uses a "brick" power supply.  PA600 uses a cord.
5.  Both have built-in speakers
6.  S950 keybed has a "cheap" feel.  PA600 has better keybed feel.
7.  S950 styles seem to be useful for all kinds of music.  PA600 styles seem to
     be designed for more modern music.
8.  S950 can be used on a gig right out of the box.  PA600 needs a lot of
     tweaking.
9.  S950 still uses Yamaha's outdated user interface.  PA600 has a really neat and
     and easy to use touch screen user interface.   
10.  S950 styles are much easier to load and audition than are the PA600 styles.
11.. S950 factory presets are protected and can't be changed.  PA600 factory
       presets can be altered or deleted and replaced.
12.  S950 has overwhelming user community support.  PA600 not so great.


PA-600 has sampling capabilities - PSR-s950 has expansions (only provided from Yamaha)
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« Reply #42 on: December 14, 2012, 07:38:15 AM »

DariusBic,

Sorry, but Korg does not list sampling in the specs for the PA-600.

Both, the S950 and the PA-600, do offer additional sounds(voices) for purchase from the manufacturers "only".

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« Reply #43 on: December 14, 2012, 09:47:02 AM »

Comosus,
1.  Both the S950 and the PA600 use multi pads.
2   S950 uses registrations - the PA600 performances.
3.  S950 has a MusicFinder the PA600 the Songbook feature.
4.  S950 display is inferior to the PA600 display.


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can we assign .wav files to multipad in pa600 as in S950
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« Reply #44 on: December 14, 2012, 12:11:49 PM »

Why not compare the Korg PA600 with our PSRS750 instead of the S950 ?
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« Reply #45 on: December 15, 2012, 06:28:33 AM »

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Sorry, but Korg does not list sampling in the specs for the PA-600.

Both, the S950 and the PA-600, do offer additional sounds(voices) for purchase from the manufacturers "only".

Hello Bill. You are right. There is not sampling capabilities on PA-600. Instead of that, I was able to find some software to create .SET files (SET files are the KORG's YEP files), but I am not able to find any software to create YEP files, (from Yamaha or from the community). However,  I don't know why both companies don't allow us to create our expansion files!

Beyond that, PA-600 allow you to create new sounds changing the DCO's parameters (24 OSC PER SOUND!!!), while the PSR-S9XX allow you only to modify certain parameters, but not at oscillator level. That is, for me, a very big difference.

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« Reply #46 on: December 15, 2012, 07:00:51 AM »

DariusBic,

I know of at least one person who has made a Yep file, but he has not made his method available - yet.

Keep in mind the S950 has only been available for just a month now and the Korg system has been around for a longer time.

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« Reply #47 on: December 15, 2012, 08:34:06 AM »

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I know of at least one person who has made a Yep file, but he has not made his method available - yet.

Interesting  Wink

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« Reply #48 on: December 16, 2012, 08:40:51 AM »

In W-European countries Yamaha are the arranger keyboard market leader. Maybe all over the world now.
Korg's market share is a lot smaller, very small, I guess.
 
Korg keyboards are not plug-and-play instruments but their sound is OK.

Here inThe Netherlands most Korg customers are people from the Middle East and/or North Africa.

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« Reply #49 on: December 29, 2012, 02:02:50 AM »

Hello Bill. You are right. There is not sampling capabilities on PA-600. Instead of that, I was able to find some software to create .SET files (SET files are the KORG's YEP files), but I am not able to find any software to create YEP files, (from Yamaha or from the community). However,  I don't know why both companies don't allow us to create our expansion files!

Beyond that, PA-600 allow you to create new sounds changing the DCO's parameters (24 OSC PER SOUND!!!), while the PSR-S9XX allow you only to modify certain parameters, but not at oscillator level. That is, for me, a very big difference.

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What are  DCO's parameters? what are the advantages?
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« Reply #50 on: December 29, 2012, 06:53:54 AM »

comasus,

You can download the Pa-600 Manuals at the following link:
http://www.korg.com/Pa600

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« Reply #51 on: December 29, 2012, 10:41:46 AM »

comasus,

You can download the Pa-600 Manuals at the following link:
http://www.korg.com/Pa600

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Sir I have downloaded it

I did'nt find any word like DCO?
What is the full form of it?
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« Reply #52 on: December 29, 2012, 11:08:30 AM »

comasus,

I don't know about the Korg, but DCO has generally meant Digital Controlled Oscillator.  Wink

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« Reply #53 on: December 30, 2012, 11:18:32 AM »

I currently own the Yamaha S950 and just sold my Korg PA600.   I had them side by side for a week.   Both are very good keyboards.

1.  S950 can layer 2 voices  the PA600 3.
2.  S950 has VH PA600 does not.
3.  S950 has literally thousands of styles available - Korg PA600 not so much.
4.  S950 still uses a "brick" power supply.  PA600 uses a cord.
5.  Both have built-in speakers
6.  S950 keybed has a "cheap" feel.  PA600 has better keybed feel.
7.  S950 styles seem to be useful for all kinds of music.  PA600 styles seem to
     be designed for more modern music.
8.  S950 can be used on a gig right out of the box.  PA600 needs a lot of
     tweaking.
9.  S950 still uses Yamaha's outdated user interface.  PA600 has a really neat and
     and easy to use touch screen user interface.   
10.  S950 styles are much easier to load and audition than are the PA600 styles.
11.. S950 factory presets are protected and can't be changed.  PA600 factory
       presets can be altered or deleted and replaced.
12.  S950 has overwhelming user community support.  PA600 not so great.

Hope this helps.
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Why S950 has a cheap feel?
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« Reply #54 on: December 30, 2012, 11:37:22 AM »

Comasus,

Compared to EVERY OTHER keyboard I have ever owned the keys on the S950 are a disappointment.  The key feel is so light as to not have any resistance much at all. They are also noisy and I do not "bang" on my keyboards.   Overall the S950 does not have the quality of build of ANY of my other Yamaha keyboards which includes a PSR3000, a PSR S910, a Tyros 3, and a Tyros 4.     

The button layout is fine and they work ok.  The overall sound quality is good and the weight and size are just about right for a gig keyboard.   The discussion about the display is over done.   It is not as good as previous PSR keyboards but certainly not a deal killer for a future buyer.   

It sounds to me because of the questions you are asking that you are really in need of a top of the line keyboard which would have all the features you have inquired about.   

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« Reply #55 on: December 30, 2012, 11:44:45 AM »

Comasus,

Compared to EVERY OTHER keyboard I have ever owned the keys on the S950 are a disappointment.  The key feel is so light as to not have any resistance much at all. They are also noisy and I do not "bang" on my keyboards.   Overall the S950 does not have the quality of build of ANY of my other Yamaha keyboards which includes a PSR3000, a PSR S910, a Tyros 3, and a Tyros 4.     

The button layout is fine and they work ok.  The overall sound quality is good and the weight and size are just about right for a gig keyboard.   The discussion about the display is over done.   It is not as good as previous PSR keyboards but certainly not a deal killer for a future buyer.   

It sounds to me because of the questions you are asking that you are really in need of a top of the line keyboard which would have all the features you have inquired about.   

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Yes brother

I am in a big need
confused which board to take s910/s750/Pa600 really need help
of course I cant go to s950 my budget is limited.
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« Reply #56 on: January 01, 2013, 11:57:42 AM »

Take PSR S 910. Beside some styles with audio track, there are not much advantages in PSR S950. Or if you really want to be the first user, take PSR S750, has black white display, but the same sound as known from PSR S910.
But if you get an interesting offer for Tyros 2, take this. No built in speakers, but much advantages, including single outs, sampling voices and VGA output.
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« Reply #57 on: January 29, 2013, 10:19:08 AM »

watch this and comment on it
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« Reply #58 on: January 30, 2013, 12:43:38 AM »

Hi Comasus,

The S950 can also record and play audio multipads.
 
BTW, is it your serious intention to buy a new keyboard or are you just investigating ?
The PA-600 is much lower in price than the S950 but the S950 has much more to offer.
The PA-600 should be compared with the S710 or S750 but surely not with the S950.

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« Reply #59 on: January 30, 2013, 03:44:42 AM »

Hi Comasus,

The S950 can also record and play audio multipads.
 
BTW, is it your serious intention to buy a new keyboard or are you just investigating ?
The PA-600 is much lower in price than the S950 but the S950 has much more to offer.
The PA-600 should be compared with the S710 or S750 but surely not with the S950.

Good luck, Jeff





Yes investigating for buying
of course it should be compared with S750 now I am considering this for comparison
mean while did you watch the above video posted please comment on that and let me know if I can get that type of sounds in S750 by tweaking or something like that?
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« Reply #60 on: January 30, 2013, 05:04:58 AM »

Hi Comasus,

The PSR-S750 can use the same VSE (Voice & Style Expansion) packs as the 950.  As the name suggests, these contain additional voices and styles which are loaded into the flash expansion memory built into the keyboard.

There are a number of Oriental packs, some of them free of charge.  I suggest that you use the following link to the web page which lists and demonstrates the available packs ...

http://www.yamahamusicsoft.com/en/instrument/Keyboard/PSR-S750/category/VSE/catalog?currency=USD&page=1

The video demos. are also available along with other third party ones on YouTube.

Note that there is currently not an Indian pack for this keyboard, although one was available for an earlier keyboard (PSR-S650), so it is possible that Yamaha may release one for the 750 in the future.

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« Reply #61 on: February 03, 2013, 03:38:03 PM »

For me, "Pro" is the higher price range, made for stage use. PA3x and Tyros 4, Motif and Fantom etc.
Both keyboards, PA 600 and PSR S950 are not really pro. For the singing entertainer, the PSR S950 would be better, because Vocal Harmony, for keyboard players that want to edit and want to get free styles, the PA 600 would be better and some folks use both or may combine a used PSR S910 with the PA 600.

The PSR S950 is superior to the Korg, and real comparation is the Korg PA600 vs Yamaha S750, because the price is similar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5M8FNPNbhE

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Korg-Pa600-61-key-Arranger-Keyboard-New-/370744281585?pt=Keyboards_MIDI&hash=item565214c9f1

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yamaha-PSR-S750-PSRS750-Arranger-Keyboard-New-/330820858789?pt=Keyboards_MIDI&hash=item4d0675b3a5
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« Reply #62 on: February 25, 2013, 06:53:23 AM »

Which one has studio quality voices?
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« Reply #63 on: February 25, 2013, 07:34:43 PM »

Both have studio quality voices. However, much of this will depend upon the players skills, ability and playing techniques.

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« Reply #64 on: March 11, 2013, 02:00:47 PM »

I own 2 Yamahas (S910 & Tyros4) and also onwed a PA500 and now a PA600.

Comparing PA600 with 910, I feel like PSR910 has more polished sounds and worse drumkits and feels more like a home keyboard or learning keyboard. I believe S950 is better than S910 but not very much.

Besides S910 has very better acoustic sounds, overall I think i wouldnt be the best choice for a professional musician that would play a wedding reception or party, I think it's more for a casual musician. (of course can be used anyway for these purposes).

On the other hand, Korg is a fully programable machine, its seems a computer, the musician can customize all the keyboard his own taste and needs. Besides it sounds flatter (seems like less ou none dsp), its sounds very very good at an amplifier and I believe a serious musician that has good skills at programming would always prefer the Korg.

I live very much the PA600 and also Tyros4.  Both are different and together I have all the things I like in each one.

Between S750 and PA600 I would choose PA600.  Between S950 and PA600 I would also choose PA600 becaise it delivers a lot for its price.  S950 is overpriced in my opinion. S950 only if you need VH and audio styles to justify pay a lot more. PA600 has better drums and besides it's not a smpler , it's possible to load sets with new sample instruments or drumlkits.  Yamaha only paying for Yep expansions.

By the way I like my Tyros4 much more than PA600, but it costs 3 times more. They can't be compared, but I can say PA600 is more programable and customizable while external Yamaha styles are mush easier to try and load.
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« Reply #65 on: May 23, 2013, 10:32:33 AM »

I own 2 Yamahas (S910 & Tyros4) and also onwed a PA500 and now a PA600.

Comparing PA600 with 910, I feel like PSR910 has more polished sounds and worse drumkits and feels more like a home keyboard or learning keyboard. I believe S950 is better than S910 but not very much.

Besides S910 has very better acoustic sounds, overall I think i wouldnt be the best choice for a professional musician that would play a wedding reception or party, I think it's more for a casual musician. (of course can be used anyway for these purposes).

On the other hand, Korg is a fully programable machine, its seems a computer, the musician can customize all the keyboard his own taste and needs. Besides it sounds flatter (seems like less ou none dsp), its sounds very very good at an amplifier and I believe a serious musician that has good skills at programming would always prefer the Korg.

I live very much the PA600 and also Tyros4.  Both are different and together I have all the things I like in each one.

Between S750 and PA600 I would choose PA600.  Between S950 and PA600 I would also choose PA600 becaise it delivers a lot for its price.  S950 is overpriced in my opinion. S950 only if you need VH and audio styles to justify pay a lot more. PA600 has better drums and besides it's not a smpler , it's possible to load sets with new sample instruments or drumlkits.  Yamaha only paying for Yep expansions.

By the way I like my Tyros4 much more than PA600, but it costs 3 times more. They can't be compared, but I can say PA600 is more programable and customizable while external Yamaha styles are mush easier to try and load.

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« Reply #66 on: May 23, 2013, 11:25:33 PM »

I own 2 Yamahas (S910 & Tyros4) and also onwed a PA500 and now a PA600.

Comparing PA600 with 910, I feel like PSR910 has more polished sounds and worse drumkits and feels more like a home keyboard or learning keyboard. I believe S950 is better than S910 but not very much.

Besides S910 has very better acoustic sounds, overall I think i wouldnt be the best choice for a professional musician that would play a wedding reception or party, I think it's more for a casual musician. (of course can be used anyway for these purposes).

On the other hand, Korg is a fully programable machine, its seems a computer, the musician can customize all the keyboard his own taste and needs. Besides it sounds flatter (seems like less ou none dsp), its sounds very very good at an amplifier and I believe a serious musician that has good skills at programming would always prefer the Korg.

I live very much the PA600 and also Tyros4.  Both are different and together I have all the things I like in each one.

Between S750 and PA600 I would choose PA600.  Between S950 and PA600 I would also choose PA600 becaise it delivers a lot for its price.  S950 is overpriced in my opinion. S950 only if you need VH and audio styles to justify pay a lot more. PA600 has better drums and besides it's not a smpler , it's possible to load sets with new sample instruments or drumlkits.  Yamaha only paying for Yep expansions.

By the way I like my Tyros4 much more than PA600, but it costs 3 times more. They can't be compared, but I can say PA600 is more programable and customizable while external Yamaha styles are mush easier to try and load.



Indeed this says it all. I have owned and programmed extensively for many Korg PA keyboards ( see link below) but purchased a PSR750 six months ago. It is now sitting on top of my PA800 and it is a killer combination.
What I do not understand is this :
You are in doubt which one to choose and are on a limited budget. Still you include the PSR950 in your equation.
the PSR950 is absolutely overpriced and if I were you I would stretch my funds to the limit and acquire BOTH the PSR750 with the Korg PA600. That would definitely be the wisest choice.
All further remarks that have been made so far concerning both Korg and Yamaha are basically correct. The main thing to observe is that the two are very complimentary to one another. Hence I always advice folks to acquire both yamaha and korg. You can do so even on a limited budget of just over 1000 euros if you are willing to buy second hand. But even a brand new Korg PA50sd coupled with say a Yamaha PSR650 would cost about 1400 euros.
Still in your quest I would definitely say : try and get the PSR750   PA600 !!!!!!

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John Smies
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on my youtube page there are some examples of what I achieved with the Korg PA50 years ago.
Note that the PA50sd is identical to the very budget Korg Micro Arranger.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67TFxt7JMaU
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« Reply #67 on: May 24, 2013, 07:17:09 AM »

I was exactly in the same kind of dilemma as the OP but the last few posts really nailed it down - get both 750 and pa 600. That's a very good thought. I"m finally on my way to get a real upgrade to my age old PSR 240 and target - definitely by Christmas  Smiley

Now, one more question which bothers me as explained below, largely based on what I heard.

" Korg keyboards use vaccum tubes (small ones) to get the warm, flat sound (Yamaha is completely electronic I think). Second, korg uses a power cord, not adapter like Yamaha. This ia big concern in Indian conditions because in case of any small electrical fluctuation,  vaccum tubes are so vulnerable to get busted and in such case, its a real pocket burner to get them repaired. And in India, you can never trust the direct electrical outlet to power such sensitive board. A UPS and/or stabilizer would be the way to go in that case."

My question is, what is your experience with respect to this concern - regarding this power usage between these boards and how much of this is true? Expecting user experiences from anybody from in India / regions who have such concern.

Or nevermind, anybody can answer that question Grin
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