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Title: Free Steinway Piano (Small size)
Post by: Styles2psr on February 13, 2019, 10:07:46 PM
Hi friends,

Since everyone share Piano sounds lately ;)... I thought maybe i can share my Steinway Piano.
Note: This is a simple 1 layer Steinway Piano, noting fancy about it.
For the big Piano experts who likes Piano with 8 layers and minimum 1-2Gb in size this is not the right Piano sound for you.

For those who are tired of the onbord Grand Piano sound, this is a great piano sound to start with.
There is 2 positive things with this Steinway, it is very small in size (25,5 mb), and according to me very nice,
and warm sounding piano sound.(High quality samples).

Each sample is about 5.3-6 sec long and not looped.

Although it's 1 layer (1 Element) you can hear that it is different velocity depending on how hard or soft you hit the keys.
This is very easy to achieve by changing the Cutoff sense (Touch Sense) in the Filter section. (See attached picture)


Here is the download link:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/piswkq2k7exilru/Simple%20Steinway.rar?dl=0


Regards, Jan.


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Title: Re: Free Steinway Piano (Small size)
Post by: marcodg on February 14, 2019, 08:50:19 AM
I like this Piano. I am used it since 3 years and it s really warm and sound nicely with just one layer.
Title: Re: Free Steinway Piano (Small size)
Post by: BenoitM on February 14, 2019, 09:05:29 AM
Jan,

Thanks a lot for sharing your effort !

Since you seems to have a lot of experience with YEM, may I ask you a question ?  :-[
Is there a possibility to trigger a sample on 'Key Off' event ? (for example, when we release a key for a piano sample, I would like to be able to play a 'Note Off' sample…).

So far, my experiments with YEM were really frustrating  :P

Thanks again !
Benoit
Title: Re: Free Steinway Piano (Small size)
Post by: Bachus on February 14, 2019, 09:25:55 AM
Quote from: BenoitM on February 14, 2019, 09:05:29 AM
Jan,

Thanks a lot for sharing your effort !

Since you seems to have a lot of experience with YEM, may I ask you a question ?  :-[
Is there a possibility to trigger a sample on 'Key Off' event ? (for example, when we release a key for a piano sample, I would like to be able to play a 'Note Off' sample…).

So far, my experiments with YEM were really frustrating  :P

Thanks again !
Benoit

To my knowledge, there isn't
Title: Re: Free Steinway Piano (Small size)
Post by: Styles2psr on February 14, 2019, 10:21:33 AM

If you want the piano a little bit brighter just increase the brightness in the Mixing console as the picuture and save it as user voice.

The sound reminds me a lot as a background music in a beautiful drama movie, like Titanic and The Legends of Fall ;D
This is much better than the default Live! Grand Piano in my Psr-s770.


BenoitM: I think it's possible to add that function with SampleRobot, but you need to save it in Sf2-format.


Regards, Jan.

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Title: Re: Free Steinway Piano (Small size)
Post by: CMS Sounddesign on February 14, 2019, 02:29:33 PM
Quote from: Bachus on February 14, 2019, 09:25:55 AM
To my knowledge, there isn't

Hello.

Unfortunately, the YEM does not offer the possibility of key-release or note-off trigger samples. We've done that several times with Yamaha, but it seems to fall on deaf ears in Japan.

Regards/Peter
Title: Re: Free Steinway Piano (Small size)
Post by: Bachus on February 14, 2019, 03:37:05 PM
Quote from: CMS Sounddesign on February 14, 2019, 02:29:33 PM
Hello.

Unfortunately, the YEM does not offer the possibility of key-release or note-off trigger samples. We've done that several times with Yamaha, but it seems to fall on deaf ears in Japan.

Regards/Peter

Its indeed strange Peter, knowing that The engine supports it..
And on the modx, there is quite a few more option onboard for sound edditing compared to yem, like articulations and legato..
Title: Re: Free Steinway Piano (Small size)
Post by: CMS Sounddesign on February 14, 2019, 05:43:20 PM
Hi !

This issue is familiar to Yamaha, but marketing interests seem to be in the way. Apparently you want to deliberately maintain a certain distance to the synthesizers in order to build in their own house no competitor. Too bad, because the Soundengine has loosely the potential for more and the current equipment is far from the term "workstation".

Regards/Peter
Title: Re: Free Steinway Piano (Small size)
Post by: Bachus on February 14, 2019, 08:32:43 PM
Quote from: CMS Sounddesign on February 14, 2019, 05:43:20 PM
Hi !

This issue is familiar to Yamaha, but marketing interests seem to be in the way. Apparently you want to deliberately maintain a certain distance to the synthesizers in order to build in their own house no competitor. Too bad, because the Soundengine has loosely the potential for more and the current equipment is far from the term "workstation".

Regards/Peter

We agree...

I said it many times..
Genos is the best arranger ever..
Butbits still a poor mans workstation..
Title: Re: Free Steinway Piano (Small size)
Post by: elad770 on February 14, 2019, 08:56:59 PM
Quote from: Styles2psr on February 13, 2019, 10:07:46 PM
Hi friends,

Since everyone share Piano sounds lately ;)... I thought maybe i can share my Steinway Piano.
Note: This is a simple 1 layer Steinway Piano, noting fancy about it.
For the big Piano experts who likes Piano with 8 layers and minimum 1-2Gb in size this is not the right Piano sound for you.

For those who are tired of the onbord Grand Piano sound, this is a great piano sound to start with.
There is 2 positive things with this Steinway, it is very small in size (25,5 mb), and according to me very nice,
and warm sounding piano sound.(High quality samples).

Each sample is about 5.3-6 sec long and not looped.

Although it's 1 layer (1 Element) you can hear that it is different velocity depending on how hard or soft you hit the keys.
This is very easy to achieve by changing the Cutoff sense (Touch Sense) in the Filter section. (See attached picture)


Here is the download link:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/piswkq2k7exilru/Simple%20Steinway.rar?dl=0


Regards, Jan.

Thank you so much for sharing.

Can you or someone else explain to me (The ignorant) What does it mean 1 vs multiple layers? We've talked a lot recently about sampling and file sizes and i assume this is related

Is this something related to piano only?

Thanks
Title: Re: Free Steinway Piano (Small size)
Post by: pjd on February 14, 2019, 10:40:42 PM
Quote from: elad770 on February 14, 2019, 08:56:59 PM
What does it mean 1 vs multiple layers?
Is this something related to piano only?

Hi --

I prefer the term "velocity ranges" or "strike" levels because the word "layer" often has other meanings. It all relates to "velocity switching," another topic that is heavily discussed on the Web.

The basic idea is that you want the sound for a note to be different depending upon how hard its key is struck. MIDI allows 128 distinct velocities where "velocity" is how hard the key is struck.

128 is a lot of distinct velocities, so the 128 velocities are separated into ranges. A triple strike piano, for example, might have ranges like:

    Soft (p)    Velocity 0 to 63
    Medium (mf)   Velocity 64 to 99
    Loud (f)    Velocity 100 to 127

A different waveform (sample) is assigned to each velocity range (strike level).

As you already thought, a nine strike piano (nine velocity ranges per note) needs many more samples than a three strike or one strike piano.

Hope this helps and all the best to ya -- pj

Title: Re: Free Steinway Piano (Small size)
Post by: elad770 on February 15, 2019, 05:14:06 AM
Wow! Thank you for this explanation

Now i understand why the file size can be so big.

Title: Re: Free Steinway Piano (Small size)
Post by: Normanfernandez on February 15, 2019, 05:37:51 AM
https://youtu.be/2mNaqGldBBg


Here's a video about Sampling.

BBC News doesn't know the difference between Sampling and Synthesizer.
Title: Re: Free Steinway Piano (Small size)
Post by: gabrielschuck on January 10, 2023, 02:42:20 AM
Quote from: CMS Sounddesign on February 14, 2019, 02:29:33 PM
Hello.

Unfortunately, the YEM does not offer the possibility of key-release or note-off trigger samples. We've done that several times with Yamaha, but it seems to fall on deaf ears in Japan.

Regards/Peter
A feather.
It would be really cool if there was that possibility.
Not just release samples, but also random sounds that could be used for instruments like drums.
And workstation keyboards have this technology (like Wave cycling) but only Yamaha can use it.
Regards.
Title: Re: Free Steinway Piano (Small size)
Post by: gabrielschuck on January 10, 2023, 02:50:50 AM
Quote from: elad770 on February 14, 2019, 08:56:59 PM
Thank you so much for sharing.

Can you or someone else explain to me (The ignorant) What does it mean 1 vs multiple layers? We've talked a lot recently about sampling and file sizes and i assume this is related

Is this something related to piano only?

Thanks
Link doesn't work anymore. Would you be able to send it in pm?
Thanks!
Regards,
Gabriel