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I'm guessing this has been addressed but I must have missed it.
Any new OS updates for Genos coming?
Just curious.
My Genos is working fine...very happy with it. Matter of fact, I still haven't upgraded to the latest OS.
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You should update your keyboard as soon as any updates come out as they put right things that were not working correctly. Update to version 1.30 as soon as possible.
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Good point Eileen
Will do.
This last update will most likely be the last update we get?
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This last update will most likely be the last update we get?
Only time will tell. As discussed previously on this forum there are still some lingering bugs people have encountered, myself included. You would think Yamaha would jump on the opportunity to fix these bugs and perhaps they are in the process of doing just that. It could require a longer time frame in order to make sure the new update (if indeed there is one) addresses all known issues and that it also won't cause other problems to crop up once the new update is installed. That means Yamaha might require comprehensive benchmarking and functionality testing before releasing the new update to the public. We need to remember that Korg released OS update 2.01 for the Pa4x two years ago this month before releasing OS update 3.0 a few days ago. That's two whole years between updates so you see it may require more patience than previously anticipated before we receive a possible update for the Genos. :-\ On the other hand, Yamaha may be concentrating all of its time and energy on Genos 2.0. If that is the case then a lot of current Genos owners would likely be very disappointed and may question the validity of upgrading to the Genos 2.0 once it is available. In other words, if Yamaha is content with the current situation regarding the Genos (bugs and all) then a lot of people might question Yamaha's overall dedication to product support on future keyboard products. Just sayin'...
Mike
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This last update will most likely be the last update we get?
Many of us would be disappointed if there are no further updates.
Cheers,
Fred
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I went to update my OS on Genos from 1.20 to 1.30
I go to https://usa.yamaha.com/support/updates/firm_genos.html (https://usa.yamaha.com/support/updates/firm_genos.html)
The download link say 1.30, but it is actually 1.20
I tried to find the European download link.. But searching the European Yamaha support site, has 'no results' for Genos..
Does anyone have the proper download link.. Thanx,.
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Hi Mark
This is from the UK download site
https://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/musical_instruments/keyboards/arranger_workstations/genos/downloads.html#product-tabs (https://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/musical_instruments/keyboards/arranger_workstations/genos/downloads.html#product-tabs)
Hope this helps
All the Best
john :)
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Hi,
I am told a new Genos update will be presented by Yamaha in February 2019.
I do not know if this information is true and has been confirmed yet.
Babette
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Thanx Ugawoga:
I decided to complete erase and format my usb stick drive. (although it is the stick drive I used to install Genos 1.20). It doesn't make sense US link would be wrong. I'm downloaded 1.30 right now from Europe. (dear I hope I'm not have a senior moment)..
I got the same results, installed version 1.20. The Genos goes thru the whole process, reading 4 or 5 stages of updating. After a failed attempt.. I decided to hold down two buttons SYNC START and START/START. This did result in installing version 1.30..
Don't understand, are my senior moments getting so bad, I don't realize I'm having them? ANYWAY the situation is resolved..
Thanx.
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It is the Stop/Start button you have to hold down. Then the boot up programme will show and then ask you to press Stop/Start again to start the loading. When finished you must turn of the Keyboard and then turn back on.
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Hi
Do not worry Mark.
I am looking forward to the 5th Dimension!! since **** has frozen over in the USA. ;D
All the best
John :)
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Individual control for MULTI PAD CONTROL - an update is required to do the following (had the same issue with Korg pa3x initially and an update solved this issue)
It should be possible to switch on/off any button individually. For example, if I am playing back Pad 1 then I should be able to simply press Pad 1 button to turn it off.
Let’s say I am playing a song with a style; then add Pad1, the add Pad2, then I would like to stop Pad 1 and start Pad3 so Pad 2 and Pad3 plays back simultaneously. Currently, the only way to stop a Pad or Pads is by selecting the STOP button, That’s handy if I want to stop all Pads but it is difficult if I want to simply change the Pads I am playing.
So an update to make this possible would be great.
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Individual control for MULTI PAD CONTROL - an update is required to do the following (had the same issue with Korg pa3x initially and an update solved this issue) It should be possible to switch on/off any button individually. For example, if I am playing back Pad 1 then I should be able to simply press Pad 1 button to turn it off. Let’s say I am playing a song with a style; then add Pad1, the add Pad2, then I would like to stop Pad 1 and start Pad3 so Pad 2 and Pad3 plays back simultaneously. Currently, the only way to stop a Pad or Pads is by selecting the STOP button, That’s handy if I want to stop all Pads but it is difficult if I want to simply change the Pads I am playing. So an update to make this possible would be great.
Completely agreed. The current method totally sucks! It may be fine for playing at home, but on a gig...
Perhaps Yamaha should start asking gigging musicians what needs to be put on the Genos generation. It's all right to only consider the home player but we gigging guys need better control. Home players can easily use a gigging machine but not the other way around.
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I am a home player, it is frustrating, the lack of controllability of the Pad buttons that is. Whether or not you play in gigs this is a must have, I think.
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Individual control for MULTI PAD CONTROL - an update is required to do the following (had the same issue with Korg pa3x initially and an update solved this issue)
It should be possible to switch on/off any button individually. For example, if I am playing back Pad 1 then I should be able to simply press Pad 1 button to turn it off.
Let’s say I am playing a song with a style; then add Pad1, the add Pad2, then I would like to stop Pad 1 and start Pad3 so Pad 2 and Pad3 plays back simultaneously. Currently, the only way to stop a Pad or Pads is by selecting the STOP button, That’s handy if I want to stop all Pads but it is difficult if I want to simply change the Pads I am playing.
So an update to make this possible would be great.
You know you can stop each multipad individually, by pressing stop and the button(s) simultanously?
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Hi
Would be nice just to press the pad again for off and again for on.
You can always set them all to on and silence each channel you do not want them on and save registration.
All the best
john :)
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I am a home player, it is frustrating, the lack of controllability of the Pad buttons that is. Whether or not you play in gigs this is a must have, I think.
Good to know. Murat. Thanks for the comment ;).
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You know you can stop each multipad individually, by pressing stop and the button(s) simultaneously?
Yes, I know that Bachus. It's still too cumbersome when trying to maintain two hands on the music portion of the show. Why can't we have a simple On/Off push button for each multipad? No, the developers had to make it complicated. They forget the purpose of the Genos - to make music, not to see how proficient (or not) the player is at using a computer.
As I've said in dozens of forums and I will maintain this opinion until I'm gone from the planet. Developers and engineers are very smart people. What they lack is a knowledge of human factors. That is, what makes a device easy to use? Just like doctors who know a lot about the human body, drugs, and diseases. What they lack is a basic understanding of nutrition. See the parody here?
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Yes, I know that Bachus. It's still too cumbersome when trying to maintain two hands on the music portion of the show. Why can't we have a simple On/Off push button for each multipad? No, the developers had to make it complicated. They forget the purpose of the Genos - to make music, not to see how proficient (or not) the player is at using a computer.
As I've said in dozens of forums and I will maintain this opinion until I'm gone from the planet. Developers and engineers are very smart people. What they lack is a knowledge of human factors. That is, what makes a device easy to use? Just like doctors who know a lot about the human body, drugs, and diseases. What they lack is a basic understanding of nutrition. See the parody here?
The problem is that yamaha treats audio and midi multipads the same way.. for audio multipads, its a good thing that pushing twice retriggers the audio..
If they want to make it right, they should finally start treating midi and audiopads differently..why can’t i assigne dsp effects to multi pads? , the guitar ones are almost begging for that..
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Good points, Bachus. The BIG question is, how do we convince Yamaha to use more of the suggestions on this site? I know they are very good to monitor this site in background and implement some of our ideas, but it would be nice if they would appoint one staff member from the development team to join the forum and just talk to us. Perhaps I'm living in a dream world, but I made good money in my own business for 25 years. One weapon I had at my disposal: I listened to my customers and employees. I didn't claim to have all the answers. By default, they did! Yamaha is no different. They're just on a much larger scale than I was.
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I chime in and say amen to the pad suggestions, only I want this on PSRs too!
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As I said Korg pa3x had the same issue but it was solved after an update, hence my comment / suggestion. It should be possible to simply press a Pad button to turn it on and off. If you are a competent player you will know that it is not possible or even advisable to just press the stop button and press the PADs you want simultaneously. For example, if you are playing with PAD1 and PAD3 on and you want to stop PAD1 and turn on PAD4 and turn on PAD2 leaving PAD3 playing, without having a break though. The only way is to be able to turn on/off PADs 'individually' unless you are at a level of playing songs like "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star" ;D
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One more thing about the PADs. It should remember the chord played after the style has been stopped. For example, you might be playing a song with a particular style and a PAD; then you might want to stop the style and then start the PAD to play something alongside the PAD playing in the background BUT as soon as you stop the style the PAD reverts back to a major chord (never checked what it is - probably C Major) making it impossible to play along it. I am aware you can apply a chord on the left hand side to initiate a chord however the PAD should remember the last chord played. So, one more thing for the next update.
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We have not had this on previous keyboards and no one has ever complained so I can't see this. You always need to play a left hand chord for a Multi Pad to follow. Surely that is easy enough to do with out asking for updates that are not necessary.
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Why should it be the same as a previous keyboard? One might think this is not necassary and one might think it is; all depends on the way you play. I think my comment was not read properly.
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Of all the complaints about this or that on the Genos when is someone going to post a comment on how great it is that we have this or that to choose from on the Genos. Personally I am approaching utilizing approximately 10-11% of what is available to me. Back in the day when I used to sell Yamaha pianos and organs (D-80 still has to be the best ever) my boss was a woman that would always say "you'd complain if you were being hung with a brand new rope". Face it folks, we've got the best at our fingertips and if that ain't good enough maybe you should play a zither. Don in MI
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We must aim for progress and aim for better. If we didn't, we would all be playing the zither now.
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We have not had this on previous keyboards and no one has ever complained so I can't see this. You always need to play a left hand chord for a Multi Pad to follow. Surely that is easy enough to do with out asking for updates that are not necessary.
With the Tyros the styles and i suppose also the Multi pad are follow by the chords from the step record midi song.
Now it does not any more.
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Of all the complaints about this or that on the Genos when is someone going to post a comment on how great it is that we have this or that to choose from on the Genos. Personally I am approaching utilizing approximately 10-11% of what is available to me. Back in the day when I used to sell Yamaha pianos and organs (D-80 still has to be the best ever) my boss was a woman that would always say "you'd complain if you were being hung with a brand new rope". Face it folks, we've got the best at our fingertips and if that ain't good enough maybe you should play a zither. Don in MI
Since there is no better arranger keyboard on the planet, does not mean its perfect... however, if you look ar arranger progress in the last 30 years, its safe to assume, 99% of the complaints are minor things...
The fact that human nature dictates most of us allways want more and better however seems the reason for our Western society progressing slowly but constantly... sadly in the end, i think this will also be the end of the world as we know it..
I think its possible to discuss these things, and still enjoy every minute with the Genos.
As soon as you can accept the fact that there will never be huge changes to Genos..
Everything after that is a win..
Personally, i been in the middle of things..
Modx having all the major features i miss in the Genos..
And Genos having all the features incan not live witouth when just playing the modx..
So i ended up with both of them..
Jumping between brands has learned me a few things anout Yamaha
- yamaha instruments have the least bugs of all arrangers..
- yamaha support when having real problems is top knotch..
- yamaha sounds are more natural then the competition
- yamaha’s community, is much more helpfull then other brands..
- yamaha’s are easier to operate then the competition..
But also:
- yamaha never produce an all-in-one instrument because people like me buy two now..
- yamaha does what it thinks is important, and not what we think is important..
So discuss these wishes, but allready realise what you allready have...
I could post another long list of things Yamaha sh(c)ould add to Genos..
But thats been discussed before, and discussing again leads nowhere..But i still support my long list..
The reason behind this is the fact that for many people criticisme on the Genos somehow feels as a personal attack. Well, i have been there and its not worth it.
So, now i have typed so long, i forgot what point i was making in the first place...
So i leave it at this..
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Hi
Has anyone contacted Yamaha about when or if any more updates will be released??
all the best
john :)
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Hi
Has anyone contacted Yamaha about when or if any more updates will be released??
all the best
john :)
I asked Peter Baartmans at a demo late December
He said it was comming but could not give a date
Whne did the 1.30 get released?
My best bet is still 6 months after the last one..
But i guess they might be off that track..
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Hi
1.30 was released 2018-04-11
Over nine months ago.
All the best
John :)
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Hi Bachus,
I don't think anything is perfect but Genos is a very fine keyboard and I am sure most of us will have done our homework and knew what we were getting. At the beginning some functions were not working correctly and many of them have been put right. There are still a few that can be improved upon and I am sure in time they will be. As everyone here probably knows I have played gigs and also played for local shows but now at the age of nearly 83 have retired from these and am purely a home player and find Genos gives me all I want and I am able to do all the editing I require on the keyboard so Am one Happy Bunny.
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Hi
1.30 was released 2018-04-11
Over nine months ago.
All the best
John :)
I would have expected Yamaha to announce any additional features to Genos during winter NAMM. That didn't happen so I'm now thinking any future updates may just be bug fixes as was the case with the Tyros family. I hope I'm proven wrong of course but I don't know why it would take this long to add features or improvements (like real time control behavior for example).
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That will be in Genos2😀
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I would have expected Yamaha to announce any additional features to Genos during winter NAMM. That didn't happen so I'm now thinking any future updates may just be bug fixes as was the case with the Tyros family. I hope I'm proven wrong of course but I don't know why it would take this long to add features or improvements (like real time control behavior for example).
Namm is not the place to do anything arranger related..
It will simply not get noted on Namm..
If there is a place where it could happen then its Musikmesse..
Altough i have come to the conclsuion that its often wiser for things like this to be their own event..
Because in such case, they don't have to share attention with others..
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If we look for patterns, I am expecting updates until the end of the next year (12/2020). And yes, we will probably get an update soon.
Hopefully we will have audio over USB? Can't wait! :D
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If we look for patterns, I am expecting updates until the end of the next year (12/2020). And yes, we will probably get an update soon.
Hopefully we will have audio over USB? Can't wait! :D
Is this information personal opinion or do you have a reliable first- hand source?
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If we look for patterns, I am expecting updates until the end of the next year (12/2020). And yes, we will probably get an update soon.
Hopefully we will have audio over USB? Can't wait! :D
I highly doubt if audio over USB is an option for Genos.
The hardware is not quite the same as the Montage, and there seems to be a different type of bus between the USB port and the processing hardware.
PJ might have an answer on this, he knows everything there is to know about the hardware differences between montage and Genos.
Currently the Audio in is also not routed trough the sound engine..
While on MODX/Montage you can route both audio ions trough the master effect and EQ section
For me being able to route the analogue audio in comming from MODX trough the master EQ and compressor of the Genos would be a nice thing.. since the MODX has master EQ and dsp that are set/performance, asuming an external mixer for the mastering with the rest of the band.
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PJ might have an answer on this, …
Thanks, Bachus.
Without getting too nerdy, the Montage is deliberately designed to move and process audio. Montage has five flexible, internal digital audio paths and a processor (SSP2) dedicated to USB audio. The SSP2 implements the USB to HOST port and the host CPU never handles high audio bandwidth. This is like having a Steinberg UR44 built into the Montage (minus the preamps and extra analog inputs).
The Genos host CPU implements the USB to HOST port, so all USB audio would need to go through the main CPU (ARM architecture). The host CPU can send digital audio to the Master SWP70 tone generator where the audio enters the mainstream processing. Incoming USB audio would need to travel this path.
The AUXIN and MIC-IN are sent to the Master SWP70 tone generator, not the host CPU. There is a single stereo digital audio (I2S format) path from the Master SWP70 to the host CPU. Outgoing audio would need to travel this path.
So, at best, it might be possible to implement 2 channels of USB audio in and out -- kind of like the latest PSRs. The new Sonogenic, for example, can play and record USB or Bluetooth audio. Yamaha will definitely want to add this capability to either Genos 1.x or 2.0.
I think it's do-able, but Genos is not in the same class as Montage when it comes to audio handling.
Hope this helps (and may be TMI for some) -- pj
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Is this information personal opinion or do you have a reliable first- hand source?
Hi Stuart,
It was just a supposition, after reviewing timelines for other recent keyboards from Yamaha. I hope it makes sense.
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Hi Stuart,
It was just a supposition, after reviewing timelines for other recent keyboards from Yamaha. I hope it makes sense.
Yeah, that's true for most, if not all of the comments made here about future update timelines. I don't really understand why this would be such a closely held secret by Yamaha.
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Hi Guys,
Very interesting questions and answers.
IMHO Yamaha's updates are mostly made to " repair " bugs but not to add new features ...
Yamaha's updates are not called upgrades, I guess.
Plse keep in mind an arranger keyboard is absolutely not a synth.
In the past I had both : an arranger and a synth.
Nowadays a DAW helps me a lot and one Yamaha arranger
( a T5 ) is more than enough for me to do the work I enjoy to do in my cave, being " a home player ".
Yamaha's arranger keyboards have always been " plug-and-play " electronic keyboards.
Hopefully their policy will never change to avoid an arranger keyboard will become a more " complicated " instrument like a synth, one of the keyboards professionals like, I guess.
Keep it simple and improve the sound, memory etc. but please ... do not shoot a winning horse.😒
We are lucky Yamaha are manufacturing synths too for those who want/need typical additional synth features.
A DAW like Cubase e.g. might also be an extra tool if one wants more ( editing etc. ).
Who am I to tell you what is right or wrong.
I only want to share my personal opinion.
Take care,🌹
Babette
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Many of us would be disappointed if there are no further updates.
Cheers,
Fred
I would say angry! never been able to wait for such an update for so long, it seems that only one person works on the project.
But if this person goes to a better life? Ha ha
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I do not know what all the fuss is about. If you want more go Cubase and VST instruments . Sky is the limit then. 8)
The Genos is 100% as It is to me, no problems only pilot era sometimes
I am finding the more you go Into the Genos the easier It gets. Split the keyboard add registrations and a couple of foot pedals then you can achieve bucket loads and get used to the bend stick. You are a one man band like Don Partridge --Rosie oh Rosie' or slap me Rosie :o ;D
Yamaha could sort out the wave program.
Sampletank 4 has just been released and it is a whopper of a program!! 200 gig of content. That'll keep you quiet for a while.
Just keep banging the keys it's fun.
All the best
John
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Thanks, Bachus.
Without getting too nerdy, the Montage is deliberately designed to move and process audio. Montage has five flexible, internal digital audio paths and a processor (SSP2) dedicated to USB audio. The SSP2 implements the USB to HOST port and the host CPU never handles high audio bandwidth. This is like having a Steinberg UR44 built into the Montage (minus the preamps and extra analog inputs).
The Genos host CPU implements the USB to HOST port, so all USB audio would need to go through the main CPU (ARM architecture). The host CPU can send digital audio to the Master SWP70 tone generator where the audio enters the mainstream processing. Incoming USB audio would need to travel this path.
The AUXIN and MIC-IN are sent to the Master SWP70 tone generator, not the host CPU. There is a single stereo digital audio (I2S format) path from the Master SWP70 to the host CPU. Outgoing audio would need to travel this path.
So, at best, it might be possible to implement 2 channels of USB audio in and out -- kind of like the latest PSRs. The new Sonogenic, for example, can play and record USB or Bluetooth audio. Yamaha will definitely want to add this capability to either Genos 1.x or 2.0.
I think it's do-able, but Genos is not in the same class as Montage when it comes to audio handling.
Hope this helps (and may be TMI for some) -- pj
Thanks PJ, for explaining..
Makes it hard to believe Yamaha will add Audio over USB to the genos.
Or even audio processing of the analogue input. It would be great to be able to apply the Genos EQ and compr settings to an external audio source. It would benefit my MODX quite a lot, since there is no real Master EQ in the sense of whats there in the Genos. Its/performance master settings. Being able to route the MODX sound trough the Genos Master DSP, would make a huge difference for integrating both instruments
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Hi Bachus --
I'm glad that info was helpful.
The only real alternative (and I'm sure you thought of it) is to route the Genos into the MODX and let the MODX system effects do the final EQ and compression. The Montage/MODX Parallel Compressor is the same algorithm as the Genos Master Compressor. Unfortunately, the Montage/MODX master EQ is 5 bands, not 8. That's one place where the Genos exceeds the Montage spec.
Add that to the list of Montage enhancements in the next version. :)
All the best -- pj
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Hi Bachus --
I'm glad that info was helpful.
The only real alternative (and I'm sure you thought of it) is to route the Genos into the MODX and let the MODX system effects do the final EQ and compression. The Montage/MODX Parallel Compressor is the same algorithm as the Genos Master Compressor. Unfortunately, the Montage/MODX master EQ is 5 bands, not 8. That's one place where the Genos exceeds the Montage spec.
Add that to the list of Montage enhancements in the next version. :)
All the best -- pj
I tried that one first
But the MAster section of the MODX is not really a master section in the traditional way of arrangers. Master EQ and COmpression are part of the performance and not global settings.. So when connected to the MODX, the Genos audio jumps all over the place in vollume. And edditing all thousands of performances seperately is not something i want to do..
There offcourse is a reason behind the differences in structure.. Genos is the final mixer of its own accomapniment band. MODX expects a Mixer for its connection to the rest of the band, which is used for mastering the mix. But all of this makes the MODX unsuited when just selectingn presets to combine them with the Genos accompaniments.
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To Bachus; Go to Utility- Effect Switch. There you can turn Global A/D on or off.
Christopher.
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when is the new update for genos?
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No one knows or even if there will be one.
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when is the new update for genos?
That's a good question. Several forum members have indicated that they had heard it would happen this month but so far nothing and there are only 2 days left in the month. And as always, no word from Yamaha and its been over 10 months since the last update.
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I hope they wil fix the problems with the registrations , and i hope that there wil be a better sound editing program than the terrible Expansion manager software
Soryt 8)
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Ah, the thread that won't die... ;D
Someone has probably noted this already, but the date of the last update (v1.3) as shown on the Yamaha USA Genos downloads page is 11 April 2018. This coincided with the first day for the 2018 Frankfurt Musikmesse.
The 2019 Musikmesse starts on April 4.
If there's no update on or before the 4th, then c'est la vie. ;)
-- pj
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Ah, the thread that won't die... ;D
Someone has probably noted this already, but the date of the last update (v1.3) as shown on the Yamaha USA Genos downloads page is 11 April 2018. This coincided with the first day for the 2018 Frankfurt Musikmesse.
The 2019 Musikmesse starts on April 4.
If there's no update on or before the 4th, then c'est la vie. ;)
-- pj
An interesting factoid.... let's hope that Yamaha doesn't disappoint otherwise we're probably done with any significant feature additions to Genos, a sad day to be sure.
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To Bachus; Go to Utility- Effect Switch. There you can turn Global A/D on or off.
Christopher.
Thank You CHristopher
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when is the new update for genos?
Its almost April now.
My best bet is they will announce it at musik messe (early april)
And there will be some new features in it
To give Genos a small sales mid life sales push
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Well we have never seen new features added to updates. Just small faults corrected as I suspect will be the case next time.
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I think that some of the updates people ask for will only be needed by a small fraction of users. Yamaha has only a certain number of staff and resources which are available, so I suppose they will pick, assuming we get an update, what they think is best.
Oldden
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I don't believe Yamaha has ever promised to release any updates for the PSR, Tyros or Genos.
They will have plenty of buyers when Genos2 comes along; I don't see much incentive there for them to do anything that's not fixing a critical flaw, by which I mean something that doesn't work as described in the manuals 99.9% of the time.
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I don't believe Yamaha has ever promised to release any updates for the PSR, Tyros or Genos.
They will have plenty of buyers when Genos2 comes along; I don't see much incentive there for them to do anything that's not fixing a critical flaw, by which I mean something that doesn't work as described in the manuals 99.9% of the time.
Actually they did promised at least one functional update to Genos and you can find the comment in one of the early versions of a Genos manual (I can't remember whether it was the User or Reference guide) but I remember reading it.
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Stuart got me searching the manuals for "update." It's interesting to take note of Yamaha's written statements in the Genos Owner's Manual.
"SPECIFICATIONS SUBJECT TO CHANGE: The information contained in this manual is believed to be correct at the time of printing. However, Yamaha reserves the right to change or modify any of the specifications without notice or obligation to update existing units."
"Yamaha may from time to time update firmware of the product without notice for improvement in functions and usability. To take full advantage of this instrument, we recommend that you upgrade your instrument to the latest version. The latest firmware can be downloaded from the website below: http://download.yamaha.com/"
The Reference Manual contains only the second statement.
No real promises here. Of course, it was a simple search and I might have missed something.
I still love this thing, so please don't get me wrong. 8)
Off to play -- pj
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Well if it was in the manual it probably has been covered by the updates we have had already.
What normally happens is if you find something is not working correctly you report it to your Yamaha service department. They then check it out and send a report of to Japan. It is then down to them if they think an update is necessary.
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Well we have never seen new features added to updates. Just small faults corrected as I suspect will be the case next time.
Hi EileenL.
Never seen new features??
And the Audio Phraser and User Audio Drums what is this??...
In the first Specifications it was not included... Is this new features or not?
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Stuart got me searching the manuals for "update." It's interesting to take note of Yamaha's written statements in the Genos Owner's Manual.
"SPECIFICATIONS SUBJECT TO CHANGE: The information contained in this manual is believed to be correct at the time of printing. However, Yamaha reserves the right to change or modify any of the specifications without notice or obligation to update existing units."
"Yamaha may from time to time update firmware of the product without notice for improvement in functions and usability. To take full advantage of this instrument, we recommend that you upgrade your instrument to the latest version. The latest firmware can be downloaded from the website below: http://download.yamaha.com/"
The Reference Manual contains only the second statement.
No real promises here. Of course, it was a simple search and I might have missed something.
I still love this thing, so please don't get me wrong. 8)
Off to play -- pj
I should have clarified that the "future update" comment was from an earlier version of the manuals and was probably provided in firmware version 1.30. That's what is giving me some small hope that Yamaha will continue to provide updates. Another reason I have hope is that I think Yamaha used a more upgradable OS in Genos compared to what they used in the Tyros family. Perhaps it was taken from Montage?
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Hi,
I am told a new Genos update will be presented by Yamaha in February 2019.
I do not know if this information is true and has been confirmed yet.
Babette
Dear Babette, now we know it was not correct. I am very disappointed and probably not the only one.
Cheers
Kaarlo
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Dear Babette, now we know it was not correct. I am very disappointed and probably not the only one.
Cheers
Kaarlo
I think as of today it's been exactly 11 months since we've seen anything from Yamaha concerning Genos. Given that there are a number of unresolved bugs to be fixed I'm assuming that if that's all we were going to get we would have gotten another bug fix update or two before now. So that leads to the possibility of an upcoming feature release. Or I could be just dreaming...:)
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when is the new update for genos?
There were rumors that it had to be in the end of February... But, as you see, we are in the middle of March and nothing at the horizon... :)
IMO, it will not be an update to Genos anymore. I bet they already work for Genos 2 and they implement all "inappropriate working stuff" from Genos into Genos 2 with the good approach, by listening the feedback from users from Genos.
Regards,
Vali
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I can understand why Yamaha will not do any updates for Genos..
There is so many people here defending Yamaha for not doing so..
That they would be stupid to invest a huge amount of time on updates..
Personally i very much disagree with this..
But in the end, its all about making the things you have work for you.
In my case, it took a MODX8 to have a near perfect GENOS setup..
Still a sad thing, Yamaha Arrangers department doesn't realise the potential of Content and feature updates
All the other top end contenders (Korg, Kurzweil, Ketron, Nord, Roland) and even Yamaha Synth division realise.
the potential of extra sales comes from regular content and feature updates..
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One year before Yamaha had released the 1.30 Version in the first day of Frankfurt Musikmesse 2018..
I hope to see again in the Frankfurt Musikmesse 2019 (5-9 April) a new Update/Upgrade for Genos.....
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Hi Bachus,
I agree to a certain extent but Yamaha have always taken more notice of personal contact if you think there is a fault. They really do not spend time on forums much and use them more to see how many use there keyboards. They will have a good idea of what people are asking for and then weigh up the figures of whether it is a viable proposition to add things which quite honestly will only be used by a few as most forums have lots of members that are quite content with there Genos.
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Regards,
Vali
I am afraid Valimaties is correct, in suspecting ....." there will not be an update for the Genos anymore" ....and I KvF believe the experts on this site had a reason to make us feel there would be . e.g. helping YAMAHA sales "... they are already working on Genos II and ... implementating fixes for all the inappropriately working stuff on Genos I into Genos II ......by listening to the feedback from users from Genos. KvF of course was criticised when voicing doubt it might not be for Genos
Let me add a prediction,
"I-want-the-latest- "I-have-the-money" - People will earn YAMAHAS respect for pouring their money into Genos II even before having found out anything about it. That is what they did with Genos I.
The experts on this site will - as they did with Genos even before update 1.2 came (when I felt it was unuseable on gigs) keep telling us, it is just a different sort of animal, it is the best keyboard ever on the planet.
You will within weeks after Genos II is announced see plenty of posts, "Your audience will congratulate you for how much better your new keyboards sounds."
I was lambasted on this frorum for being "negative" and "anti - Genos I." This will not happen with Genos II. I learnt my lesson.
Cheers
Kaarlo
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Eileen wrote
They will have a good idea of what people are asking for and then weigh up the figures of whether it is a viable proposition to add things which quite honestly will only be used by a few as most forums have lots of members that are quite content with there Genos.
And therein lies the difference between "wants" and "bugs."
The "wants" will likely show up in Genos II. Meanwhile, the features that are supposed to work on Genos I, should work perfectly. Yamaha has a history of holding themselves to the highest standard. If it's broken, they need to fix it, even if only five people out of thousands use a particular feature. If it doesn’t work and the manual says, “You can do XYZ by…,” then remove it from the manual.
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Tyros (1 May 2002)
Tyros2 (21 June 2005)
Tyros3 (17 April 2008)
Tyros4 (16 June 2010)
Tyros5 (13 July 2013)
Genos (31 August 2017)
Genos 2 when? Not so hard to figure it out.
Genos is still selling right?
Will Genos 2 be released sooner because Genos is not good?
It is not good compared to what exactly?
To Tyros 5?
What are the things that Tyros 5 can do but Genos cannot do, so it is faulty and not good?
What are the things that Genos can do but Tyros 5 cannot?
It is not good compared to Montage 7?
They are different kind of instruments.
Why should Genos have the same abilities as the Montage?
Montage doesn't have styles so it doesn't have the same abilities of Genos in the first place.
It is not good compared to PAx4?
Was Tyros 5 better compared to PAx4 but Genos is not?
If you like the sound of Korg are you going to buy a Yamaha instead that you don't like it's sound but because the Yamaha has more...."features"?
"""I don't like how this piano sounds but I'm gonna buy it because I really like it's colour!!""" :o
Neither Korg or Yamaha are going to produce any keyboard that has exactly the same features in all aspects as the other's company keyboard.
Technology may allow it but principles of economics certainly don't.
Updates are for fixing things that supposed to work but they don't work.
Adding new features or not is up to Yamaha to decide.
So things that supposed to work at the first place but they don't Yamaha MUST fix them no matter how many they are using them or not.
(not "wishes",not "I don't like how it sounds",not "but it can be done",not "but other keyboards have that feature" etc but "bugs").
There are many posts of what someone doesn't not like about his keyboard.
When someone will find the one that can do everything, it has the best sounds and styles and doesn't cost much, please inform us to buy it.
But meanwhile, blaming other users of Genos for being happy of the way they are using their instrument it doesn't sound neither nice or logical and that's why I have decided to write this long post.
Neither is good to blame someone who wants an "advanced" feature to work us it supposed to work.
Now I am going to play with my psr which never had an update.
I don't mind at all because, I rather "update" my noob playing skill level once in a while.
This kind of update is more important.
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My first Yamaha keyboard was the PSR6300 and it never had an update!
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It would be great if Yamaha would indicate that an update is in the works or not. At least it might end continuous speculation and enable everyone to move on. Bob
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As I mentioned earlier - Yamaha doesn't like to talk to us after they have our money ;D.
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It would be great if Yamaha would indicate that an update is in the works or not. At least it might end continuous speculation and enable everyone to move on. Bob
IT IS BETER FOR SALES to let potential buyers believe there will be an update. All the Yamaha connected posteres here insinuated Yamaha would take care of things. "Be patient, what you dislike will soon be taken care of." Whether they were victims of Yamaha strategy or knew they were part of the stradegy is not for me to decide. I for one would not have bought Genos had I known there will be no udpdates. I would have continued with the Tyros 5 until Genos II.
Cheers
Kaarlo
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I would have continued with the Tyros 5 until Genos II.
...until Genos II starts to show all its bugs ;D...then Genos III and its bugs...see where this is going?
Good point though, Kaarlo.
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It's been an absolutely consistent pattern on the arranger series that there is an early flurry of bugfix updates, then no updates with new features.
It really should not be coming as a surprise to anyone that the Genos updates have stopped. As I keep saying Yamaha never officially promise anything!
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Somebody said the newest Genos update will be presented during the Musikmesse ( April 2019 ) / Germany.
Wait and see.
Babette
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Yamaha have never introduced new features with an update (even on Tyros 5) The update is just to fix
things on the keyboard that do not work as they should not make additions. We all know these will come out on new models based to an extent of what people have been asking for that they would like on the keyboard. If you have been a long term Yamaha user you will know this anyway as this is the way they work.
Why would they keep issuing updates when all the faults have been put right. There are probably a couple of things that need attention but I don't think they will be new features.
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… enable everyone to move on. Bob
Amen, Bob! In any case, I've moved on. There's too much to do and play -- without much time left! :) As I sit here in a-fib (again), there's so little that we can control, including Yamaha.
All the best -- pj
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Yamaha have never introduced new features with an update (even on Tyros 5) The update is just to fix things on the keyboard that do not work as they should not make additions. We all know these will come out on new models based to an extent of what people have been asking for that they would like on the keyboard. If you have been a long term Yamaha user you will know this anyway as this is the way they work.
Why would they keep issuing updates when all the faults have been put right. There are probably a couple of things that need attention but I don't think they will be new features.
Dear Eileen. Thanks as so often. You could not have put it better. Toyota had to fix a staggering 10.000 000 cars due to a security problem. But there has never been a recall by any manufacturer to "upgrade" anything. Boeings are grounded, but nobody expects the company to put additional mirrors in the lavatories.
Cheers
Kaarlo
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It's interesting how the Montage line, and now the Yamaha CPs (stage pianos) line, both get updates that introduce new features and/or new sounds - sometimes significant new content. I read that the "1.1" firmware version for the new CP pianos added about a 1/2 dozen sounds including one significant new piano sound, plus a few new features and fixes. We have read about Montage updates with significant new features etc.
But you're right that it seems that the Arranger Workstations keyboard (Tyros and now Genos) only get fixes and not new features, for the most part, on updates firmware releases . . .
Jim
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It's interesting how the Montage line, and now the Yamaha CPs (stage pianos) line, both get updates that introduce new features and/or new sounds - sometimes significant new content. I read that the "1.1" firmware version for the new CP pianos added about a 1/2 dozen sounds including one significant new piano sound, plus a few new features and fixes. We have read about Montage updates with significant new features etc.
And even after all the free upgrades to the other Yamaha products, they won't even send through a simple fix- to display everything in a list, alphabetically!!!! I will never believe that it would take a team of software developers tons of overtime to write a script to sort their lists >:(. It's a royal pain in the butt. Alphabetical listing has been around since the computer was invented. Who is the complete moron at Yamaha who decided that just throwing the list items in random groups was intelligent ::)? He or she needs to be fired.
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Eileen, sorry but this is absolutely NOT TRUE!!
On version 1.10 was added the Audio Multi-recording function;
On version 1.20 was added the Search function and the ability to use expansion drums with Drum Setup Editor;
On version 1.30 was added the Guide function for songs.
You can easily verify this reading the update history!
For Tyros 5 you're right, but this is probably because a limit of its operating system, different from the Genos one.
Francesco
Not forgetting the YEM and voice creating upgrades which were issued with Tyros, over a period of a year.
John
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When I was a T5 owner, someone mentioned that Yamaha does have a staff member who monitors these forums on occasion. Is this right or wrong? Doe anyone know for sure?
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I am not so sure this still happens. Also with all the Genos bashing that took place and Yamaha accused of only being interested in the money it did not make good reading for anyone. I am sure they still prefer the personnel approach. We always get first class treatment when ever we phone our Tech support here. And they do go out of there way to help.
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What will happen to Yamaha arranger keyboards and other Yamaha instruments after the Brexit in the UK ?
I hope everything goes well for all UK musicians and home players.
Babette
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That's anyone's guess It is now becoming laughable because if you did not laugh you would cry.
Still at 83 I have my Genos and I am sure that will see me out :) ;) :)
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I agree with Eileen that the Genos is a great Instrument and It will not get that much better for sound ,only more knobs and cosmetic changes
Also probably more complicated!! ::) :P ;D
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Uh oh.
Seems my post was deleted. I mentioned that Korg has had two free upgrades.
After being here from the start, 15 years, helping countless people, and some 3,400 posts. I will be leaving now.
My friends know where to reach me.
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So sorry to read this DonM.
You’re so right about korg with the 2 upgrades and not only updates to fix things.
I hope Yamaha has noticed, we payed a lot of money.
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Uh oh.
Seems my post was deleted. I mentioned that Korg has had two free upgrades.
After being here from the start, 15 years, helping countless people, and some 3,400 posts. I will be leaving now.
My friends know where to reach me.
Hello DonM, you have been a very important member of this forum. You do not have to leave simply because some people do not agree with you. I personally am grateful to you, for the advice and recommendations that you gave me at a certain time. I know you have great friends in this wonderful forum, who also appreciate you and expect you to continue contributing your valuable experience. a hug. Hans
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When I was a T5 owner, someone mentioned that Yamaha does have a staff member who monitors these forums on occasion. Is this right or wrong? Does anyone know for sure?
Hi Lee -- I've met a few of the USA Yamaha reps face-to-face. They do check on the PSR Tutorial Forum. How regular? Not sure.
Seems my post was deleted.
I will be leaving now.
Hi Don -- I've had a few posts disappear here or there. It's only the crummy Internet, after all, and I hope you stay on. :'( We all benefit greatly from your experience and friendly comments.
The best to everyone -- pj
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@ Eileen:
Honest question: Why does Genos criticism to you always translates to Genos bashing? You don't have to agree, you are entitled to your own opinion in a1 civilized and non offensive way. Please stop mixing up those two words, as a non-native I find it very confusing :)
Criticism in my opinion btw. often keeps manufacturers on their toes. It forces them to stay ahead, which is a good thing for us customers.
kind regards,
Peter
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Hi,
I hope and pray DonM will come back asap.🙏
Like many other members, I honestly believe people like Don are absolutely needed here.
Take care, Babette
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Thank everyone. I was called by an administrator and no one deleted the post. It must have been an internet glitch of some kind.
My apologies please!
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Hi
This is called psr tutorial and i suppose the Genos is not a PSR!! So, where does that leave Korg!!??? ;D Sausages to that then!! ::) :o ;D
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Hello DonM, I am very happy to know that you are still with us. Your wise advice has guided us in the process of knowledge of our arranger. Greetings. Hans
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My first impressions were that Don's post should not get the boot just because he mentioned about the Korg product. By that same logic, posts that use words like Hammond, Techniques, Nord, Roland....should be booted out as well. I knew that wouldn't happen, of course.
Good to have you back, Don. We were all just starting to like you, and then you decided to leave (LOL) ;D!!
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I knew it was not likely that any moderator had deleted Don’s post. I checked the log and there was no record of any deleted post and was about to contact Don to tell him this when I saw his post that it all been a mistake. Very pleased that it has been resolved and Don is still a member and our friend.
Cheers Don.
Mike
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Two free updates/upgrades maybe are still not enough to reach to the Top :)
Don (or everyone else) may I ask you one question with all the respect.
I like to play Classical music,EDM and music made by synthesizers(electronic music)
and 70's & 80's pop-rock music.
I rarely use my keyboard to play any kind of folklore music.
(e.g American country,European countries folklore music,Arabian or Indian music etc).
Should I buy a Yamaha,a Korg or something else?
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Two free updates/upgrades maybe are still not enough to reach to the Top :)
Don (or everyone else) may I ask you one question with all the respect.
I like to play Classical music,EDM and music made by synthesizers(electronic music)
and 70's & 80's pop-rock music.
I rarely use my keyboard to play any kind of folklore music.
(e.g American country,European countries folklore music,Arabian or Indian music etc).
Should I buy a Yamaha,a Korg or something else?
I can't comment on that. Both keyboards have plenty of styles for these genres. I don't do enough of those types of music to have an opinion.
I suggest you do your best to try both lines and see which you like better.
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I like to play Classical music,EDM and music made by synthesizers(electronic music)
and 70's & 80's pop-rock music.
Should I buy a Yamaha,a Korg or something else?
This one is easy to answer. Given your musical preferences, go get yourself
- a decent digital piano
- a fine B3 clone
- some versatile synths
- (semi-)pro sounding audio gear (mixer, monitors, subwoofer)
- if you're fluent with computers you may want to complement that with the world of VST instruments/effects
If you think I'm nuts you may be very true. But the above is what I arrived at after 20 years of advancement starting with a PSR-2000. And the journey stll continues... ;D
Brands are not THAT important, after all.
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Don got it right.
Dromeus I need a band(or a an orchestra) to play with me,so every other kind of instrument it doesn't suit me,even if it is a 45.000$ Grand Piano.
Both Yamaha & Korg have overall great sounds.
Both have a piano sound which is weak compared to a digital piano no matter how many gigabytes someone will spend to create one.
Their difference is in amount of the available styles.
I have done my homework as Don said and looked up for styles to see If I could play my favourite music before I buy a Yamaha.
Why is it so hard to find covers with specific songs and song styles from Korg players?
How an upgrade or two or three,will be useful too me in the first place,
if I have to make my own styles for well known songs while there are players who find it hard to change the OTS settings?
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Hi Panos,
If I were you I should go to a good music shop.
Hopefully you will find what you need.
Good luck ! Babette
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Hi Panos,
There are lots of dedicated styles out there which are song specific and don't forget Yamaha Music Soft where you can purchase more very good styles. Also Midi Spot.
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Amen, Bob! In any case, I've moved on. There's too much to do and play -- without much time left! :) As I sit here in a-fib (again), there's so little that we can control, including Yamaha.
All the best -- pj
Paul - I'm sending you a PM ... let me know if you get it please !
Stuart.
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Don got it right.
Dromeus I need a band(or a an orchestra) to play with me,so every other kind of instrument it doesn't suit me,even if it is a 45.000$ Grand Piano.
Both Yamaha & Korg have overall great sounds.
Both have a piano sound which is weak compared to a digital piano no matter how many gigabytes someone will spend to create one.
Their difference is in amount of the available styles.
I have done my homework as Don said and looked up for styles to see If I could play my favourite music before I buy a Yamaha.
Why is it so hard to find covers with specific songs and song styles from Korg players?
How an upgrade or two or three,will be useful too me in the first place,
if I have to make my own styles for well known songs while there are players who find it hard to change the OTS settings?
Let's see... a few of the song/styles I use on my 4x...
Suspicious Minds
Wonderful Tonight
Heartbreak Hotel
Hound Dog
Long Train Running
Mustang Sally
Midnight Hour
Many Credence songs
Now or Never
Crocodile Rock
Twist
Have You Ever Seen the Rain
Pretty Woman
Satisfaction
The Last Waltz
Last Date
Gimme Three Steps
The Weight
Black Magic Woman
Tears in Heaven
Lay Down Sally
Shake a Tail Feather
Soul Man
Chain of Fools
Rock Around the Clock
Johnny Be Good
Candle in the Wind
Too many to remember actually. Many are factory styles, some are extra free styles from Korg, some are from the German model "Musicant", some are from older models.
Plus, all you have to do to get a song specific file, is load the midi file, push a button to automatically convert it to a style.
Not all conversions are perfect but many are really good.
Now the later "dance" songs, rap, etc., I don't know about. I know there are some Disco styles that fit specific songs.
Many or maybe all of these styles and more are available, in my PSR as well.
I wouldn't think availability of song/styles would be a determining factor in choose which arranger to buy. There are many more strengths and weaknesses in both lines.
I think we are getting off topic here, so will bow out unless asked something specific.
Oh, and I preferred the PA4X, before either one of the upgrades, but you understand my needs and likes will almost certainly be different from others.
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Few of the songs you have mentioned Don,is the kind of music I want to play,you are right about dance music etc.which I don't see many covers with Korg keyboards.
User made styles by a midi file?
hm.....
I am a user who knows basic things about music theory and nothing about making styles, how good a style will it be?
Yes, midi conversion it may work but how about things missing,like basses and other organs may not play the exact correct patterns/riffs,specific chords may sound weird, voices and all effects must be applied by hand etc.
For Yamaha's we have midi2style which can do the same thing not automatically though but by hand.
But we also have far more free styles available and also free styles made by professional stylemakers too.
Even the older ones when they are wellmade,takes a little time to re-voice and equalize them rather than build a style from the beginning.
Unfortunately or not Don, styles do matter in a keyboard like those we play.
It is what it makes it differenet from other instruments with a keybed.
In my country if you want to play folklore music there are lot of available (paid) sources for buying folklore songstyles for Korg keyboards.
For Yamaha's we've got just half of an expansion pack with basic rhythms/styles.
Neither Yamaha or Korg of course as we both can understand cannot make a style for each song anyone wishes for,
neither Genos or PA4x can do anything that anyone wishes for, even with updates and upgrades.
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Dromeus I need a band(or a an orchestra) to play with me,so every other kind of instrument it doesn't suit me,even if it is a 45.000$ Grand Piano.
If you are really happy playin' "Classical music, EDM, electronic music and 70's & 80's pop-rock music" using an arranger keyboard, then go for it. You will be happy with Yamaha as well as Korg keys. Just my 2 ct.
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panos,
A lot of the later Korg styles that they offer free are suited for what you want. I'm not familiar with the songs, so can't offer much help.
As for the automatic midi to style conversions, if you start with a good midi file, you will get a good style. The old Tune 1000 files convert very nicely, and I think most following that same standard format would as well. The sounds default to GM sounds, but they are easily changed to Factory sounds if necessary.
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Hi Panos,
Keep in mind Yamaha are offering a lot of software and each Yamaha arranger keyboard has a plug-and-play operation with a very reliable and modern technology.
Think it over before you make a decision.
Even most second hand Yamaha highend arranger keyboards are very reliable and popular !
Yamaha's arrangers : worldwide leader !
Good luck with your choice !👌
Babette
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My question was just rhetorical.Sorry If I didn't make it clear :)
Before I buy the s750 I knew also that there was a Pa600 (if I remeber well) with the same price,similar features and of course both with great sounds and nice styles and I have chosen the psr because I saw more covers in Youtube with the psr than the pa.
My point from the very start is that we act with this update/upgrade like the Genos is a kind of problematic keyboard and wonder why they take them so long to fix it,while Genos is like any other keyboard with it's advantages and disadvantages.
What it will be my next keyboard?
hmmm.... :-\
when the time comes it will be something that can play Jan's new styles, that's for sure :)
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IMHO the S970/S975 would be the best option for you, Panos, but ... who am I ?😝
All depends on what YOU expect and what YOU want.
Or you go for Yamaha or you go for another brand.
In the past I owned a Yamaha T2 and a Korg PA2X.
Both arrangers had their own features.
I found out it is not easy and very complicated to have 2 arrangers with a complete different software structure.
Finally I decided to go for one brand only.
Yamaha won the race.
Sold both keyboards and decided to go for the Tyros5/76.
The T5 is the best arranger for my personal use.
I hope I can keep it for many years to come.
You are the decision maker. Nobody else.
Take care, Babette