Whoever answered my post first- no name- said the qsc’s were just Amos not a quality sound. Can you make a recommendation.Well, the good recommendation would depend on what is the actual use you are planning. Do you need sound reinforcement system for gigging or do you need quality monitors for studio work and presentations in a controlled environment.
Does anyone have sound settings for CFx and c7 pianos. The stock sounds
seem a little thin. I have a mason and Hamlin double B right next to my speakers.
When I play a note on the genos - same octave and play the same note on double B it’s not even close.
I have QSC K12s.I have some really
Good piano trio backing tracks if I play melody the genos sounds like a $200.00 Casio
HELP HELP !!!!
Bon
Wouldn’t it be a bit disappointing if your quality piano was not a lot better than an electronic arranger keyboard.
Part 1 (six elements)
El# Waveform VLo VHi NLo NHi
--- ------------- --- --- --- ---
1 CFX ppp St 2 25 C-2 G8
2 CFX pp St 20 35
3 CFX p St 36 45
4 CFX mp St 46 59
5 CFX mf St 60 74
6 CFX f St 75 92
Part 2 (three elements)
El# Waveform VLo VHi NLo NHi
--- ------------- --- --- --- ---
1 CFX ff St 93 110 C-2 G8
2 CFX fff St 111 125
3 CFX ffff St 126 127
Part 3 (eight elements)
El# Waveform VLo VHi NLo NHi
--- ------------- --- --- --- ---
1 CFX pp St 2 35 C-2 G8
2 CFX p St 36 45
3 CFX mp St 46 59
4 CFX mf St 60 74
5 CFX f St 75 92
6 CFX ff St 93 110
7 CFX fff St 111 125
8 CFX ffff St 126 127
Part 4 (one element, XA control: Key Off)
El# Waveform VLo VHi NLo NHi
--- ------------- --- --- --- ---
1 CFX KeyOff St 1 127 C-2 G5
El# Waveform VLo VHi NLo NHi
--- ------------- --- --- --- ---
1 CFX pp St 2 35 C-2 G5
2 CFX mp St 36 59 C-2 G5
3 CFX f St 60 92 C-2 G5
4 CFX fff St 93 125 C-2 G5
5 CFX ffff St 126 127 C-2 G5
6 CFX mf St 2 59 G#5 G8
7 CFX fff St 60 127 G#5 G8
8 CFX KeyOff St 1 127 C-2 G5
What I do to enjoy a piano sound on my Genos is to use The Grand 3 VST from Steinberg. Of course, this is not what I would prefer, as it means a PC should be hooked and running the VST. As my Genos is not moved from my home location, that is not a big problem. But a for a portable setup, it would be.
Anyway, my question is: as the The Grand 3 VST uses about 80GB of data (for 3 Grands, a Honky-tonk and the CP80), I guess that about 20GB would be just for a Grand (they use 20 velocity layers, no looping and such). If the Genos has just 1.8GB for samples, it is just impossible to fit a similar quality piano sound. So, what could we expect on Genos as a top piano sound?. Once I set the VST on Yamaha C7, when I return to the Genos C7 (which I can do fastly to better compare), using both headphones or my JBL LSR305+LSR310S setup, the difference is abysmal ???
Best regards and Happy 2019!
Jose
sample size isn’t he all and everything..
For example, the nord stage which has some of the best piano’s for live playing has no samplesets hat exceed 200MB... same for the Bösendorfer of the Montage/modx, that is about 450MB..
Anything above that does only add very very small nuances in sound..
For a realistic piano sound having a model that supports string and damper ressonance is more important, then plain sample size..
in YEM it sounded pretty good, so i did a Package, installed it on my Genos but I was a little bit disappointed: the 'with resonance version' has a very audible 'noise' in the end of the sample, particularly in the C5 range ...
I have converted The Grandeur from Native Instruments to YEM and I'm extremely happy with the results, but it's disappointing to hear it might not sound as good on the Genos. I can't test myself, because I haven't received mine yet. (I expect to get it today.)
I finally got my PC back and tested The Grandeur on my Genos last night. I liked the sound very, very much, but found a problem with some samples, which I have now fixed. (Even with the broken samples I still found myself switching over to it and playing it instead of the CFX and really not liking the CFX when I switched back. Before, I didn't have a problem with the CFX and didn't understand what you all meant when you said it sounds thin, but I understand and completely agree now.)
I will fix the samples and do another import this weekend and make some recordings comparing it to the CFX, C7 and the other grand pianos. Two questions:
1. There are two pianos in Legacy called "Grand Piano" and "Grand Piano Live!". What is the difference between them?
2. Anyone got suggestions for MIDIs I can play with each voice to compare?
I am still looking for a great piano sound..
Are you willing to share your final results?
Using piano's in the expansion memmory, means they have their own 128 voice polyphony..
And offcourse for solo piano, i prefer a darker mellower sound, then the cfx..thats not muddy
Are you willing to share your final results?Yes, of course, I will make recordings so we can all compare. I just can't distribute the voice (neither for free or paid), because Native Instruments owns the samples and it would be unethical to steal all the hard work they put into creating The Grandeur, plus I'd probably get sued. :)
Yes, of course, I will make recordings so we can all compare. I just can't distribute the voice (neither for free or paid), because Native Instruments owns the samples and it would be unethical to steal all the hard work they put into creating The Grandeur, plus I'd probably get sued. :)
You could buy The Grandeur and convert it yourself, but I'd recommend you wait until I have tested and made some recordings, so we're sure there are no problems before you spend any money. :) Of course, you can convert any other VST too, it doesn't have to be one from Native Instruments. :) (I hear there are even some good free grand piano VSTs.) :)
Thats to be twisted if you are not allowed to sample something and distribute it?
If so, Roland would not be allowed to distibute Steinway samples..
And yamaha could not host B3 and Rhodes samples..
"It is only strictly prohibited to use single, combined or modified sounds from Native Instruments to create sample CDs, loop libraries, sound libraries or similar products, as the license granted is strictly limited to one person only - any trading, lending, renting, reissuing, re-distribution or re-sale of sounds is not permitted under any circumstances."
https://support.native-instruments.com/hc/en-us/articles/210264205-Can-I-Use-Native-Instruments-Sounds-for-Commercial-Music-Production-
This would basically be me going: "Oh, you don't have to The Grandeur from NI! I can just take all their samples and create my own VST and give to you for free! Or I can create a voice for Genos with all their samples!"
Distributing a song I made with their VST is fine. Distributing every single note sampled at multiple velocities is not. :)
Ah, yes, I get what you're saying now: "They bought an instrument, recorded it and used their recorded samples to create an instrument, which they then sold. I have bought their instrument, so why shouldn't I be allowed to record it and use my recorded samples to create an instrument, which I will then sell?"
Edit: Here's a discussion of the topic: https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/1004513-what-content-other-instruments-can-you-legally-sample-sell.html
Anyway, I'm not going to risk it, because I don't want to get sued. Also, I think NI did a very good job with The Grandeur and deserve to get paid for it, so I don't want to basically tell people that they shouldn't buy it, because they can just use my copy of The Grandeur instead. If someone wants The Grandeur (or any other VST) on their Genos, then I think they should buy that VST. :)
SnowThief, interesting topic. I'm curious how you did get the Grandeur samples into the Genos. I assume you have to use YEM for it?
I can imagine you don't want to share the samples but sharing the procedure how to convert it is hopefully possible?
If you have tested everything and it works one can decide to buy this or any other sampled VST. The Grandeur is not very expensive and in this case you don't need Kontakt to use it.
I agree with the general opinion here that most VST's (sampled or modelled like Pianoteq) sound better than the Genos CFX.
Funny thing is I also have a Kawai ES8 which is a 88 key stage piano with very nice sounds and I prefer it above the Genos piano sounds. However when I run a midi recorded on the ES8 in the GEnos and make a wav recording the Genos CFX sounds also very good, maybe even better then recorded as audio file from the Kawai ES8.