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Title: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Pino on March 06, 2018, 04:52:59 PM
I wonder how many people will go back to Tyros 5 after 1 year

Last year the Korg Pa4x was a big favourite.
‘Best keyboard ever,- last keyboard I will ever buy,- got everything’  :)

Nearly everyone I know that bought a Korg Pa4x has sold them
Including the big players on synthzone

Couldn’t have been that good

I see many people struggling with Genos
Will they go back to the Wonderful T5

Only time will tell,

Pino
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: guitpic1 on March 06, 2018, 05:32:40 PM
I wonder how many people will go back to Tyros 5 after 1 year

Last year the Korg Pa4x was a big favourite.
‘Best keyboard ever,- last keyboard I will ever buy,- got everything’  :)

Nearly everyone I know that bought a Korg Pa4x has sold them
Including the big players on synthzone

Couldn’t have been that good

I see many people struggling with Genos
Will they go back to the Wonderful T5

Only time will tell,

Pino

Korg PA4X is an outstanding keyboard...I’d still be gigging with mine if Genos hadn’t come along.  Some music folks selling the PA4X, are in fact, retiring from the Music business or cutting back.

Don’t know about the Tyros5, I gigged with a Tyros4.  For me, any way, both the PA4X and Genos were a big step up from the Tyros4.  That said, my Tyros4 was impressive to me coming from a PSR S950.

Looking at the title, it appears you are selling your Genos?
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: ash1 on March 06, 2018, 06:39:08 PM
i think you should leave the Genos owners in peace and stop posting topics like this
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Bud2 on March 06, 2018, 07:20:36 PM
I honestly don't see any reason whatsoever why anyone would want to sell their Genos, I have had no problems at all with it, it just does things slightly different but just take your time and everything will become clear. If you are having any problems please just ask for a little help on here or any other forum you are a member of, there are enough people to help you but please don't give up as you would be missing the best keyboard, in my opinion, that Yamaha have produced.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: EileenL on March 06, 2018, 07:42:13 PM
I fully agree Bill,
 Genos is a brilliant keyboard and just needs a little time to adjust to.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Antonio on March 06, 2018, 10:09:46 PM
Eileen,

you always manage to be understanding and tranquilizing like a camomile,  :D but in this case Pino is right, who must work must have a keyboard immediately operational and not a Genos still unfinished. Big beautiful keyboard but immature and difficult. :)

Pino this time I agree with you.  ;D

Regards
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Gunnar Jonny on March 06, 2018, 10:41:58 PM
I wonder how many people will go back to Tyros 5 after 1 year

Last year the Korg Pa4x was a big favourite.
‘Best keyboard ever,- last keyboard I will ever buy,- got everything’  :)

Nearly everyone I know that bought a Korg Pa4x has sold them
Including the big players on synthzone

Couldn’t have been that good

I see many people struggling with Genos
Will they go back to the Wonderful T5

Only time will tell,

Pino

My guess, or probably it will be a fact, is that therer are very few that will leave Genos if already bought one.
There will be more people going forward to T5 from older models, I see the used ones sell quite fast.

PA4X as well as Genos is a supeb keyboard, just as all TOTL arrangers. But there may be personal preferences to fill that's not in all of the models. Just like shoes, one size don't fit all. ;)
If you've been at several fora for a while, you will see that very often, or maybe always, users tend to say: 'what I have now is the best'. Simple as that.
I dont' know how many you know that has sold PA4 or other arrangers, but this is the human nature, sell and buy new. Specially if you can afford to do so.
As you know, the grass is ALWAYS greener at the other side of the fence. But when you're over there, what side are most green? Yeah, the other side.  ;D

My guess is that not many already bought Genos will return to T5, but when a new Genos or whatever see the light, many will go ahead for new challenges.
Myself, it's no secret that I've not been much Yamaha fan, not even when I had the T4. But, to be honest, Genos is in my ears and eyes the best arranger from Yamaha so far. It do fill my needs, knowledge and bad talent, and that's what matters, not what everybody or many others did, do or does. I'm loving it more and more for each day when play and explore.
If I deside to sell, it will not be because it's not any good arranger, but simply because there some other or new challenges down the road that try to catch my attention. A Korg PA?X or Genos 2, who cares?

But as you say, only time will tell.  8)
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: mikf on March 07, 2018, 12:23:44 AM
I doubt there will be many who decide to go backwards. When I got my CVP I also had some frustration with the differences to a PSR, but it settled down and I much prefer it.
 I also think that this inferred assumption that is being made on almost every post that people who bought a Genos upgraded from T5 is probably wrong. Many will have upgraded from much earlier models, or competitive brands, or even that it might be their first real TOTL arranger. Seems to me that here have been far too many Genos bought for them to have mostly come from prior T5 owners.
Mike 
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: valimaties on March 07, 2018, 01:12:24 AM
I doubt there will be many who decide to go backwards. When I got my CVP I also had some frustration with the differences to a PSR, but it settled down and I much prefer it.
 I also think that this inferred assumption that is being made on almost every post that people who bought a Genos upgraded from T5 is probably wrong. Many will have upgraded from much earlier models, or competitive brands, or even that it might be their first real TOTL arranger. Seems to me that here have been far too many Genos bought for them to have mostly come from prior T5 owners.
Mike

I definitely don't go back to Tyros 5. There are a lot of reasons I chose Genos, that I don't even want to think about "reversing" ;D ;D

Regards,
Vali
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Gandalf43 on March 07, 2018, 01:58:05 AM
Hi friends,

a matter of fact I’ve never read so much contrarieties  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
about a keyboard !!

Not with introduction of the T3 not with the introduction of T4 and definitely
not with introduction of the lovely Tyros 5  Made in Japan !!

Just and only because of that discussion I will not buy that Genos even if it could
fly , dance  and / or prepare delicious meals………and its not a question of money !! ;D ;D ;D ;D

Best Regards
Udo
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Fred Smith on March 07, 2018, 03:04:23 AM
Just and only because of that discussion I will not buy that Genos even if it could
fly , dance  and / or prepare delicious meals………and its not a question of money !! ;D ;D ;D ;D

You're making a mistake.

Fred
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Gunnar Jonny on March 07, 2018, 04:12:16 AM
.... Not with introduction of the T3 not with the introduction of T4 and definitely
not with introduction of the lovely Tyros 5  .....

If Yamaha continued the design and named it Tyros 6, the waste majority of T owners would probably sing Hallelujah and be happy whatsoever from the first minute.
Well, except from me of course .. ;)
New look, touchscreen and updated OS may give some users new challenges to adapt and learn to master this music machine the way we are used to.
I don't want my Genos to be a copy of what I had, but use what there is and try improve and rebuild my stuff to sound as best as I possibly can the Genos way.

I think the bottom line are, if you're happy with what you have and how it works and sounds, why change?
Enjoy and keep it. If not happy, look for other solutions. What name or brand don't  really matter as long as it serves your taste and needs.

Despite of the few negative comments I've made in other threads, I'm in fact very happy with the introduction of the lovely Genos. :)
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: DrakeM on March 07, 2018, 04:16:50 AM
NOBODY would ever do that ...... go back to a T5 ever.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: StuartR on March 07, 2018, 04:43:53 AM
You're making a mistake.

Fred

I agree with Fred. Big mistake...
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Bachus on March 07, 2018, 05:05:06 AM
I wonder how many people will go back to Tyros 5 after 1 year

Last year the Korg Pa4x was a big favourite.
‘Best keyboard ever,- last keyboard I will ever buy,- got everything’  :)

Nearly everyone I know that bought a Korg Pa4x has sold them
Including the big players on synthzone

Couldn’t have been that good

I see many people struggling with Genos
Will they go back to the Wonderful T5

Only time will tell,

Pino

Pa4x is still an incrdible keyboard and i am still playing and loving it.
And so is the Genos, which is even better then the pa4x in many ways, but not all.

I have no clue why anyone would want to step back from Genos to T5?
It clearly sounds more alive then the Tyros 5
And on the few ocasions i played one, the interface felt quite intuitive.
And all your T5 performances and expansion packs still work on Genos.

The only reason i can think of to own a T5 imstead of a Genos is a financial one.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: EileenL on March 07, 2018, 05:17:37 AM
Hi Antonio,
  Who says Genos is unfinished.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Dromeus on March 07, 2018, 05:24:08 AM
You're making a mistake.
VERY BIG mistake, Udo.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: KeyboardByBiggs on March 07, 2018, 05:32:34 AM
Hi Antonio,
  Who says Genos is unfinished.

LOL I know, I'm getting really tired of hearing this. :)
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: stephenm52 on March 07, 2018, 07:10:23 AM
Pa4x is still an incrdible keyboard and i am still playing and loving it.
And so is the Genos, which is even better then the pa4x in many ways, but not all.

I have no clue why anyone would want to step back from Genos to T5?
It clearly sounds more alive then the Tyros 5
And on the few ocasions i played one, the interface felt quite intuitive.
And all your T5 performances and expansion packs still work on Genos.

The only reason i can think of to own a T5 imstead of a Genos is a financial one.

I too have a Pa4x and will not sell it, no reason to it’s a great keyboard  I’m blessed I also have a Genos and there’s no way I would ever go back T5.     

I agree with Fred Smith “You’re making a mistake.”
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Will49 on March 07, 2018, 07:22:33 AM
i think you should leave the Genos owners in peace and stop posting topics like this
Hi. I'm afraid it was not my intention to say thanks for this post. My finger touched the 'Say Thanks' button accidentally.. got to be careful with these touch screens sometimes!! Anyhow, what people should/should not post  doesn't concern me. ;)

Regards,
Will

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Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Kaarlo von Freymann on March 07, 2018, 08:35:12 AM
i think you should leave the Genos owners in peace and stop posting topics like this

I am definitely over the  hill at 83 so I may be wrong, but i am surprised at how emotional we can be about something like a keyboard, that will at best be with us for 10 years as most people want to have the latest technology.  My father gave me his 1923  Steinway grand piano so it has soon been in the family for 100 years and as a fact it has not become obsolete like so much of what we have acquired during our life time.  My children are over 50 and they have a very emotional connection with the Steinway, not because  of its wonderful sound  and fantastic touch but because when they were small we would sit under it when I read Winnie the Pooh for them.  But why do people get upset because someone is pondering whether  people might go back to Tyros ?  I actually have a YAMAHA 5700 I bought in the last century,  and  it has some Styles that I consider  have never been equaled.  "You should leave the Genos owners in peace and stop posting topics like this" Can anyone explain to me what was wrong with the posting and what and whose peace is being disturbed ?
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Snicker740 on March 07, 2018, 08:39:17 AM
Pino.
No one can deny the Genos sound completely superior to the Tyros 5.
It is a completely new keyboard, a new generation is born. So when using do not bring habits in the old generation to compare.
If you find it has a lot of bugs in the operating system, write it down because Yamaha keeps silently watching to fix it - I suppose because of the 1.20 update that shows that Yamaha has really listened to the owners Genos.
And if you want to split it up to return to Tyros 5 because you think it is difficult to use, you can not master it, then this mistake belongs to you, not Genos. Music and technology are growing day by day, if you do not change to adapt, you will be left behind and have to live with the old.
Best regards
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Pino on March 07, 2018, 11:31:40 AM
You guys here are technically minded and computer literate
3 of my 25 students have purchased Genos
None of them can hardly set the time on their mobile phones
They just had more money than sense

They had got used to Tyros ways
Now they regretted the purchase

Im not knocking Genos
It’s not for everyone
I’m not saying any more than that.

Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Fred Smith on March 07, 2018, 12:05:33 PM
You guys here are technically minded and computer literate
3 of my 25 students have purchased Genos
None of them can hardly set the time on their mobile phones
They just had more money than sense

They had got used to Tyros ways
Now they regretted the purchase

Im not knocking Genos
It’s not for everyone
I’m not saying any more than that.

If they’re your students, why don’t you help them out with their Genos?

Fred
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Pino on March 07, 2018, 01:09:35 PM
Snicker 740

Re; if you do not change to adapt, you will be left behind and have to live with the old.

I have 10 different keyboards, Yamaha, Ketron, Korg, Roland

I’ve just recorded this song on my oldest keyboard, PSR S910

https://app.box.com/s/383vr0pfyan3ddxtl0ollc74e7w28g5x

I know the Genos sounds brilliant but does the S910 sound very old?

Regards
Pino
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Bachus on March 07, 2018, 02:27:02 PM
If they’re your students, why don’t you help them out with their Genos?

Fred

Thats what a good teacher would do, i asume..
But this requires the teacher to be an expert on the subject..

Also keep in mind that there are fast learners and slow learners..
But in the end everyone will learn..
if the teacher can only keep his pupils enthousiastic and motivated.

In the end, a teacher also needs to realise that when he himself is nagative about something
His pupils, who have him in high regards, will mark his opinion as the truth..
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: metcam on March 07, 2018, 06:11:48 PM
I definitely don't go back to Tyros 5. There are a lot of reasons I chose Genos, that I don't even want to think about "reversing" ;D ;D

Regards,
Vali

That is right Vali. Same here...  :)

Regards.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: rattley on March 08, 2018, 07:32:00 AM
Im curious...........If someone never played a Tyros 5 or Genos........would one be any harder to learn than the other??    -charley
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Pianoman on March 08, 2018, 08:56:25 AM
If they’re your students, why don’t you help them out with their Genos?

Fred



If I have understood correctly, I think Pino is talking about MUSIC students.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: travlin-easy on March 08, 2018, 08:59:14 AM
Charlie, I believe the learning curve would be about the same. The OS is pretty much the same as my now ancient S-950, and the S-950 was a piece of cake to learn when coming up from a PSR-3000. Not all that much has changed over the years.

All the best,

Gary 8)
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: guitpic1 on March 08, 2018, 09:05:20 AM
There’s an answer for folks that have trouble with technology but still like keys....it’s called an acoustic piano.  That’s what my brother plays and he is very good.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Pianoman on March 08, 2018, 09:16:27 AM
I am definitely over the  hill at 83 so I may be wrong, but i am surprised at how emotional we can be about something like a keyboard, that will at best be with us for 10 years as most people want to have the latest technology.  My father gave me his 1923  Steinway grand piano so it has soon been in the family for 100 years and as a fact it has not become obsolete like so much of what we have acquired during our life time.  My children are over 50 and they have a very emotional connection with the Steinway, not because  of its wonderful sound  and fantastic touch but because when they were small we would sit under it when I read Winnie the Pooh for them.  But why do people get upset because someone is pondering whether  people might go back to Tyros ?  I actually have a YAMAHA 5700 I bought in the last century,  and  it has some Styles that I consider  have never been equaled.  "You should leave the Genos owners in peace and stop posting topics like this" Can anyone explain to me what was wrong with the posting and what and whose peace is being disturbed ?


There is a lot of wisdom in your post Kaarlo.

Best Regards.
Pianoman.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Fred Smith on March 08, 2018, 12:31:32 PM
Im curious...........If someone never played a Tyros 5 or Genos........would one be any harder to learn than the other??    -charley

If they are starting from scratch, I think the Genos is easier to learn, because it has a touch screen, which most people find more intuitive (witness the popularity of the iPad).

Fred
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: mikf on March 08, 2018, 09:29:04 PM
I agree with Fred, I have a CVP with a touch screen and had a PSR before. Moving from one to the other took a bit of getting used to, but starting from scratch the CVP would have been easier. The PSR /Tyros range was no picnic to grasp when it was new. That’s why this forum exists!
Mike
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Will49 on March 09, 2018, 12:07:15 AM
I agree with Fred.....
Hi Mike. Completely off topic, I know, but why repeat the same post?

Kind regards,
Will
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Pianoman on March 09, 2018, 12:09:46 AM
Pino's post makes sense in a different way.

The way I see it is that either people are scooping up new T5s,
whose prices have probably
become cheaper, due to the arrival of Genos,
or buying used ones.

I'm not sure however, that there would be that many used T5s to satisfy demand.
The T5 was considered a formidable keyboard just 6 months ago here,
and continues to be so.

The fact that Genos prices have gone from 4499 Euros to 3590€
(909 € cheaper) may indicate that:

1) People are still happy with their current keyboard, and have chosen to keep it.

2) They couldn't afford the initial price, and are waiting for a lower price.

3) They are buying something completely different.

4) They are waiting for the issues that we read about everyday right here,
 to be resolved.

Prices going down usually indicate that something is not selling in the
desired quantities.

Below are the current Genos prices here.

Best Regards.
Pianoman.


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Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Joe H on March 09, 2018, 12:16:25 AM
... (witness the popularity of the iPad).

Fred

That may be true for many but not all persons.  I like to look at lists.  I recently searched for Windows 10 screen shots on the internet and was appalled by how ugly it looked.  Not everyone's brain is wired the same way.  I find touch screens to be unnatural.

Joe H
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: DerekA on March 09, 2018, 12:18:29 AM
I think they went in with a high price to pick up the market from people for whom price isn't really an issue, then it's dropping back to pick up the more cautious buyers.

After the demo I attended back in November, my dealer told me he'd taken orders in double figures. And that was the first time any of the audience there had ever even seen a real Genos.

Seems like a good strategy if you can get away with it!
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Joe H on March 09, 2018, 12:23:17 AM
... Seems like a good strategy if you can get away with it!

Yes, I think Yamaha has gone the way of Microsoft and Apple... it's whatever you can get away with.  Look what they did by releasing the PSR S975.

Joe H
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: J. Larry on March 09, 2018, 12:26:41 AM
From Pianoman’s post, I’m a #1 and #3.  Keeping my S970 for now, but added a second arranger from a different manufacturer.  The Genos may be great, for sure.  However, I prefer 61-note boards for their size, weight, portability, ease of transportation in the back seat, and playing in very tight, restrictive settings----which seems to be where I wind up most of the time.  And, they perform admirably for what I do.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: JohnH on March 09, 2018, 12:48:09 AM
PINO-----Your  recording of--The Nearness of You----on your 910--is beautiful !!     I've had the--910---970--now the Genos----most people probably wouldn't know or hear the difference in theses keyboards, only musicians could tell ------I've been a musician many years---what changes in these keyboards is the authentic sounds of drums, horns, pianos, etc----I've had my Genos 3 months & just now getting it  to sound & work the way i want it----all keyboards have a learning curve--Do i like the Genos--YES !!---ENJOY your music---I liked the extra notes you put in your recording-----JohnH
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: EileenL on March 09, 2018, 01:01:42 AM
Yes Genos is a great keyboard and is still selling very well. I don't know anyone who paid the full asking price when it first appeared which I think was round about £4300 in UK. If you do not have the speakers then it is cheaper also. Don't forget it can also go the other way and Yamaha usually do raise prices after a while.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Joe H on March 09, 2018, 03:54:01 AM
Snicker 740

Re; if you do not change to adapt, you will be left behind and have to live with the old.

I have 10 different keyboards, Yamaha, Ketron, Korg, Roland

I’ve just recorded this song on my oldest keyboard, PSR S910

https://app.box.com/s/383vr0pfyan3ddxtl0ollc74e7w28g5x

I know the Genos sounds brilliant but does the S910 sound very old?

Regards
Pino

Pino,

Nice job on Nearness of You.

The S910 is a great sounding keyboard.   I wanted the expansion capabilities so I sold my S910 to upgrade to the S970 which is also a great sounding keyboard with new features, more Voices, an arpeggiator and expansion memory.

:)

Joe H
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: mikf on March 09, 2018, 04:50:32 AM
Quote
Hi Mike. Completely off topic, I know, but why repeat the same post?
Quote

Will
Just an error, must have iaccidentally touched post when I was doing a spell check
Mike
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: panos on March 09, 2018, 04:59:42 AM
Sorry to interfere,I 've just thinking that maybe the topic's title is a litlle bit misleading if someone doesn't want to sell his instrument.
Perhaps the use of an "?" at the end of the sentence could be more well suited for this topic,if the author wish to change it.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Dnj on March 09, 2018, 05:10:12 AM
Enjoy what you play this is so silly,...just make music your own way with whatever you like.
That said when does GENOS2 & PA5x come to market?....just sayin'.........
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Grayfox on March 09, 2018, 05:13:44 AM
Don’t know why some people think it’s not selling well..... your very much mistaken.
One Man Band at Banbury have sold 200 so far so world wide the sales must be colossal.
I suppose there might be 1% of people don’t like it and most of them probably haven’t tried one.
Graham
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: ugawoga on March 09, 2018, 05:19:44 AM
Tyros 5 go back to!!

The guys a nutter!! ;D

Genos is an unbelievable Instrument. You can shape almost everything.
It has take me some time to get used to the Genos.
Once you get the right can opener you are steaming ahead :o

Question for Grey Fox-----------------"are you Australian"??????????????

All the best
John
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Grayfox on March 09, 2018, 05:26:00 AM
I can’t get off it, I’ve spent at least six hours on it today, just fantastic.
Graham
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Grayfox on March 09, 2018, 05:30:14 AM
By the way John, my picture ain’t upside down.
I live near Lichfield.
Graham
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: mikf on March 09, 2018, 05:32:08 AM
It I s a little amusing to see how many posts there have been here over the last 6 months telling Yamaha how much they have screwed this up - bad advertising campaign, this bug, that bug, sound and features below expectations etc etc . The fact is Yamaha are probably celebrating a massive success. I would not be surprised if it has not put the arranger market front and center in keyboard sales.
One possible reason pianoman did not mention for falling prices is high volume of sales. If I was in the market for a new portable arranger today I would definitely buy a Genos. That does not mean it’s perfect, or that previous models or competitive models are bad - just that on balance it’s arguably the best out there right now. That never lasts forever though.
Mike
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: ugawoga on March 09, 2018, 05:37:09 AM
Hi Graham
I will have to go to Specsavers now!!! :P

By the way Graham, Swindon will hammer Cheltenham on Saturday  "come on you reds"!!! :-*


All the Best
john :)
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Will49 on March 09, 2018, 07:54:55 AM
]Just an error, must have iaccidentally touched post when I was doing a spell check
Ah, ok. I had noticed though that the first one contained a small typo (which had been corrected in the second one) and was going to point out that you could have used the 'Modify' button, then hit 'Save'. You could also delete the first one with the 'Remove' button.

Kind regards,
Will
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Will49 on March 09, 2018, 08:02:14 AM
The guys a nutter!! ;D
Hi John. Hmm, not sure that it's fair to call him a "nutter"! You see, Tyros 5 was (and still is) an awsome arranger for many people, and they might also refer to all you guys who (in their minds) have been complete nutters to part with such a huge sum of money for what they feel is such a small improvement. Believe it or not, there are some out there who feel that the Tyros 5 is just as good as the Genos any day, and that certain aspects of it even suits them better for what they do... but I certainly wouldn't say they're "nutters"! 😉

Best regards,
Will
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Afton72 on March 09, 2018, 09:04:07 AM
   Pino,   
                 Your rendition of Nearness Of You  is beautiful,  I just sat back in the chair & closed my eyes, & let it soothe it's way in.
            Thank You,
                                Alan
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Pino on March 09, 2018, 10:02:28 AM
Thank you Alan
That was done straight, Styles only, on the S910

That is my point
You do not need a Genos to make good music

My original point was that keyboards are getting more complicated every new upgrade
Same happened with the Korg Pa4x, too much time editing,
Going back to a keyboard that we know means "playing more"
I now see some of my students spending 70% of their time editing and not playing.


Ugawoga

You may be right, as u say, maybe I am a ‘nutter’, but I am a good musician

YOU have spent a lot of time and money on your Genos, speakers and Cubase

Please send some music here, preferably the same song
So that we can compare exactly on how much better your new setup is

It’s about playing music at the end of the day, isn’t it?



https://app.box.com/s/383vr0pfyan3ddxtl0ollc74e7w28g5x

 

Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Joe H on March 09, 2018, 10:49:27 AM
It has been said that how we view others is a "grand projection".  (we each wear our own colored glasses) We can only view the world through our own eyes and interpret it through our own consciousness.  It may be true that sometimes people are "perceptive"... but most often it is just a grand projection.

 ;)

Joe H
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Dromeus on March 09, 2018, 04:08:12 PM
By the way John, my picture ain’t upside down.
I live near Lichfield.

Hi Graham

I guess you have to be British to get the joke. Would you mind to enlighten me. all I found was Quaker George Fox shouting: „Woe to the bloody city of Lichfield!"  ;D
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Pianoman on March 09, 2018, 04:37:39 PM
Yes Genos is a great keyboard and is still selling very well. I don't know anyone who paid the full asking price when it first appeared which I think was round about £4300 in UK. If you do not have the speakers then it is cheaper also. Don't forget it can also go the other way and Yamaha usually do raise prices after a while.


3590 Euros is equivalent to 3200£, a saving of 1100£.

This should be a a fairer price for many people who don't own a Genos yet,
but are leaning towards  buying one.

Best Regards.
Pianoman.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Tyros5Mad on March 09, 2018, 05:03:56 PM
Genos is Genius!

Only Day 5 with this great machine and already hooked completely. Tyros 5 is now up for sale.

Richard
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Pianoman on March 09, 2018, 06:52:43 PM
Congratulations on your new Genos Richard.
Wishing you many hours of enjoyment.

Best Regards.
Pianoman.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: EileenL on March 09, 2018, 07:17:58 PM
Hi Pino,
  Loved your song. Played from the heart which to me is what just sitting down and playing is all about. Dose not matter what keyboard you have. You don't need miles of Equipment to enjoy playing Genos. Just switch on select your style and favorite sounds and play.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Pino on March 09, 2018, 08:03:47 PM
Thank you Eileen, my favourite Essex girl,

I play cocktail 2 hours in a restaurant so slower songs to start with and then dancing stuff.
I finish at 9pm and have to get my gear out pretty quick to make room for the big band
Smaller and lighter is essential for me when gigging.

I Midi to my Ketron Sd40 and that has really nice clarinets etc
I will buy a Genos one day for sure. Just waiting for the 61  :)

Happy Playing

Pino
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: EileenL on March 09, 2018, 10:44:05 PM
Pretty sure we will not see a 61 note Genos but it only weighs 30 pounds so is lighter than Tyros.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Fred Smith on March 09, 2018, 10:54:11 PM
Pretty sure we will not see a 61 note Genos but it only weighs 30 pounds so is lighter than Tyros.

We will never see a 61 key Genos.

Yamaha have settled on Clavinova at 88 keys, Genos at 76, and PSR at 61. Makes a lot of marketing sense and easy for consumers to identify with.

If you're looking for a "61-key Genos", you'll need to wait for the next PSR model.

Fred
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: mikf on March 10, 2018, 12:10:01 AM
Quote
It’s about playing music at the end of the day, isn’t it?
I used to think this as well, but as I read the forum over the years, I realized that's it is not just about playing music - that is too narrow a definition. It is about enjoyment. Some people get just as much enjoyment out of playing around with the system features, DSPs, creating new sounds, making recordings..... The truth is that half decent players can make excellent music on almost any decent arranger (or for that matter keyboard) made in the last 15 years, and the not so good players will not magically get better just because they play a newer model.  99% of listeners will never know or care whether we are playing the latest and greatest, or have the DSPs tweaked perfectly, or the worlds best sound system. What they hear and enjoy is almost totally dependent on what tune we play and how well we play it.
So why do we keep buying the latest and greatest? - because we enjoy it, because we get pleasure from owning it, because we like to play with new features ... and many other reasons besides simply being able to play music. 
Mike
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Gunnar Jonny on March 10, 2018, 12:23:58 AM
...So why do we keep buying the latest and greatest? - because we enjoy it, because we get pleasure from owning it, because we like to play with new features ... and many other reasons besides simply being able to play music. 
:)
Jupp, and beside of all other good reasons, we won't get the money carried with us when we take the final trip.
Better use them as best as we can while we still are able to do so.  8)
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: EileenL on March 10, 2018, 12:36:03 AM
Yes that's what I say. There are no pockets in shrouds. ;)
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Bud2 on March 10, 2018, 02:46:15 AM
Yes some people get pleasure from going to the movies or going out for a drink, me personally I get pleasure out of playing my keyboard, I may not be very good at it but I still enjoy it as well as using the latest technology in them. I also agree you can't take it with you and none of us know when that day will come. ;)
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: ugawoga on March 10, 2018, 03:59:42 AM
Hi will

NUTTERS!!

You must be if you do not like the Genos.
I will prove It with my next three songs.
I have put a couple up and I am not impressed with my own work.
I have now reworked my registrations and that has not been easy. So disatisfied with the quality I was getting out.
I do know now by balancing the sounds and getting the Dsp right, It will blow you away, but that takes time like it has done with me since last December.
Decent speakers also helps as the Genos speakers are sub standard for such an expensive machine.
You get what you pay for In the long run.
The stereo spaciousness you can get is phenominal, but certain retro songs you have to be satisfied with the way they were originally recorded or you will lose that feel.
I am finding this keyboard a legend with the amount of quality sound that comes out of It.
You just have to praise Yamaha.
About 50years ago a keyboard of this quality would have cost you over £200,000 or perhaps more ;D


all the Best
john 8)
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Pino on March 10, 2018, 11:33:30 AM
Hi John (Nutter)  :)
Thanks for your reply.

I never once mentioned that I did not like Genos, it’s the best keyboard to date, for sure
I just don’t need it right now,

Most of the replies on this post is from members with years of experience with Yamaha keyboards
I was referring to older players that do not have computer skills
I know 3 older guys that wish they hadn’t sold their Tyros. That’s all I said, full stop.

John, I’ve followed all your posts here and just wandered how you got on with recording Genos into Cubase, then save the midi file and play back the midi from Genos, same sound quality or not, does Cubase handle SysEx ok, how did it go?

Regards

Pino.




Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Rogthedodge on March 10, 2018, 04:38:43 PM
Lots of views and opinions but we all have to accept that each of us make choices for our own reasons. I’ve tried a Genos  and I am back with my Tyros 5 and very happy with it. My issue had nothing to do with the sound nor operating system, I did try to resolve my issue but couldn’t.
I have to be able to read the music and the  position of it is too far back/away, I purchased a mic stand and mounted a document holder on it but then I couldn’t see the fixed screen. I have brackets which fit into the holes on back of Tyros which raises and brings forward the music, can’t do that on Genos.
If anyone has any ideas how to overcome this with the paper music please let me know I’d be grateful, then I might be able to get a Genos
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Fred Smith on March 10, 2018, 07:10:57 PM
Lots of views and opinions but we all have to accept that each of us make choices for our own reasons. I’ve tried a Genos  and I am back with my Tyros 5 and very happy with it. My issue had nothing to do with the sound nor operating system, I did try to resolve my issue but couldn’t.
I have to be able to read the music and the  position of it is too far back/away, I purchased a mic stand and mounted a document holder on it but then I couldn’t see the fixed screen. I have brackets which fit into the holes on back of Tyros which raises and brings forward the music, can’t do that on Genos.
If anyone has any ideas how to overcome this with the paper music please let me know I’d be grateful, then I might be able to get a Genos

Put your sheet music on an iPad.

Fred
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Rogthedodge on March 10, 2018, 07:18:46 PM
Thanks Fred I have about 200 songs in 4score but I have too many to scan and I’d have to buy a large iPad , so gave up on that option.
Regards
Rog
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Oldden on March 10, 2018, 07:40:06 PM
Hi,

Anybody thinking of buying an iPad Pro at the moment, read any Apple information website. Seems a lot of rumers about that Apple will be updating them so that they will be similar to the iPhone x in June. Perhaps even a cheaper iPad, plus a new lower price iPhone X as the one out now isn't selling well.

Oldden
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Will49 on March 10, 2018, 08:27:47 PM
NUTTERS!! You must be if you do not like the Genos.
Hi John. Wrong. Rolls-Royce have always had the reputation of being the manufacturers of ‘the best car in the world’. But even for those who can easily afford one (or even two or three), it doesn’t necessarily mean that a Rolls is to their taste... which is why they will opt for other brands of expensive cars. Same with keyboards of course, and everything else for that matter... the 'best in the world' (of anything) may not always be everyone's cup of tea!  ;)
About 50years ago a keyboard of this quality would have cost you over £200,000 or perhaps more
And I’m sure there would have been a few “nutters” around even then too, and would have gone and bought one!! Just joking!  ;D ;D

Kind regards,
Will
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: EileenL on March 10, 2018, 08:36:15 PM
Hi Rog,
  I understand what you mean. I had those stand adapters for my Tyros 5 and thought I would miss them. Because Genos is not so deep the music stand is not at a bad distance for me now. I had glasses made for this distance and they also work well with my computer. I also rewrite a lot of my favorite music out in larger print in a programme called Music Time which lets you choose the size of chord and notes to suit you.
  I was determined not to be beat because I wanted this keyboard and have no regrets at getting it. Keep enjoying what you have and feel comfortable with.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Rogthedodge on March 10, 2018, 09:11:30 PM
Hi Eileen
Where did you get music time from please? Is it fir iPad or PC/mac
Regards
Rog
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Bud2 on March 10, 2018, 09:53:19 PM
One of the first things I noticed when I sat at the Genos at the Yamaha Weekend, as soon as I put my music on the stand was how much closer it was and I commented to the person sitting at the other Genos next to me and he agreed and said " after all this time of us complaining and having to use the brackets to bring the music closer, they have done something at last". I must admit I have not measured how much closer it is but I know I don't miss having the brackets to bring the music closer.
Bill
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Rogthedodge on March 10, 2018, 10:36:45 PM
I've tried a Genos and I can accurately say that the Music stand is too far away for me and not much different to the Tyros without the extension brackets.
Regards
Rog
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: EileenL on March 10, 2018, 11:18:38 PM
Hi Rog it is made by Gvox and is for PC or MAC.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Gunnar Jonny on March 10, 2018, 11:56:30 PM
Eileen, if I don't remeber it wrong this is a rather old software been around for a while?
Years ago I think it was Passport software, I did Use masterTracks Pro back then, that's why I think about it..
Did a Goggle search, and found this: http://www.passportmusic.com/products/musictime-deluxe/

Quote from website:

If you are still using GVOX Encore or MusicTime Deluxe – ACTION IS REQUIRED to get your free* updated version of Encore and MusicTime Deluxe. Encore and MusicTime Deluxe updates for Mac and Windows are available now and MUST** be downloaded from: http://www.passportmusic.com/downloads/
 
*The updates are free to any Encore 5.x/ MusicTime Deluxe 4.x customers.
** For all Gvox versions
Encore for Windows is multi-lingual:  English, French, Spanish, German, Dutch and Portuguese.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Grayfox on March 11, 2018, 01:19:43 AM
I've tried a Genos and I can accurately say that the Music stand is too far away for me and not much different to the Tyros without the extension brackets.
Regards
Rog

Measure the distance from your eyes to the  music (you could use a piece of string)
Go to any shop where they sell these cheap reading specs and hold the string out from your eyes to the sample wording. Choose the correct one so you can see clearly. I paid a £1 pair, I bought two pairs with different  lenses because my eyes are different, then swapped the lens from the one pair the the other. So I only paid £2 in all and they work for my PC as well. It’s worth the effort and a lot cheaper than going to the opticians. I did the same for my reading specs as well.
Give it a try.
Graham
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: StuartR on March 11, 2018, 01:23:53 AM
Hi,

Anybody thinking of buying an iPad Pro at the moment, read any Apple information website. Seems a lot of rumers about that Apple will be updating them so that they will be similar to the iPhone x in June. Perhaps even a cheaper iPad, plus a new lower price iPhone X as the one out now isn't selling well.

Oldden

Not necessary. You can buy a refurbished iPad Air 2 for about $250 USD on Amazon. I just bought both my wife and I one. One was actually brand new. Both even had the cellular option.
Add Songbook+, a Yamaha Bluetooth adapter and a wireless page turner and you're all set.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Pino on March 11, 2018, 12:13:09 PM
My iPad Pro 12.9 stopped working a few months ago
I went back to my iPad Air

It’s just not workable

Next day I went out to buy another iPad Pro 12.9
A painful move but there is no other option for me
A4 sized sheets, brilliant.  :)

Pino
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Thecooltool on March 12, 2018, 10:34:00 AM
It is the extrapolation of one's own judgments to others. There was always a prophet of the apocalypse for every new Tyros from 1 to 5. Now it's the turn to predict the end and defeat for the Genos line :)
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: sugarplumsss on March 14, 2018, 10:55:39 PM
Tyros 5 go back to!!

The guys a nutter!! ;D

Genos is an unbelievable Instrument. You can shape almost everything.
It has take me some time to get used to the Genos.
Once you get the right can opener you are steaming ahead :o

Question for Grey Fox-----------------"are you Australian"??????????????

All the best
John

What precisely is a nutter, anyway?   :o   :P   ;D

You say, "Genos can shape almost everything".
Two big gripes, BIG ( large size )  gripes I have with my T4:

1. the 8 sliders for volume, are the worst in the world of keyboards in my long experience. My 20 year old Kurzweil was leagues under the sea superior.

2. The fact that you cannot properly even begin to "shape" the decay on the basses. $5000 and I cannot even begin to decay the bass!
 
My T4 basses ( I mainly use Lo Bass , played manually- a decent sounding bass, save the lack of decay- and forget Voice Set is a waste of time to that end ) at the end of a song, has
zero decay. I have to physically attenuate ( drop the volume ) the Left Bass at the end of a song.. because there is no decay on the bass. Trust me, I have discussed this with more than one tech support person.. it simply is not in the design of the Tyros.
- CAN the Genos create a half way decent decay on eg a bass voice?

Disclaimer: I am a professional bass player and keyboardist ( former sax ) and I am much more conscious of bass than most.

The only possible excuse for the miserable failures that the 8 volume sliders (directly under the screen), is the fact that their travel is so short. That might be the excuse.

-How is Genos in this respect?

And how much cash in USA with a trade of my T4 for the Genos without speakers.. approx?

Thanks
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Joe H on March 15, 2018, 12:37:36 AM
What precisely is a nutter, anyway?   :o   :P   ;D

I think the American English translation is:  "Nut Job"

Joe H
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Will49 on March 15, 2018, 03:42:13 PM
What precisely is a nutter, anyway?
Try this...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.collinsdictionary.com/amp/english/nutter
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: sugarplumsss on March 15, 2018, 06:17:50 PM
Yes yes, now I know what a nutter is.. most grateful. Now that I know, I will be very
watchful for these nutter types... they sound a bit dangerous.

Has the decay functionality for a Voice, been improved since the Tyros 4?
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: whataguy on March 16, 2018, 12:15:11 AM
And here I thought sliders are what you ordered with a beer for a quick and easy lunch. Don in MI
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Will49 on March 16, 2018, 02:48:49 AM
And here I thought sliders are what you ordered with a beer for a quick and easy lunch.
Well, I didn't know that one... so looked it up:
https://www.thespruce.com/all-american-sliders-479161

...and here in the UK, 'sliders' are what women wear on their feet!! 😁 😁
https://www.google.com/shopping/product/11435540316693642364

Regards,
Will
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: whataguy on March 16, 2018, 10:35:42 AM
Will, you are my kinda guy. Now look up 'Good On Ya'. Don in MI
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Gloria on March 16, 2018, 11:08:43 AM

Well, I feel I can put my 2 cents worth in - I just heard a live demo in our Scottsdale, Az.music store played by a PSR Forum member & professional entertainer, Manuel Dorantes & he & his Genos are just fantastic!  I listened "live" & last wk. listened over my inexpensive computer speakers & you can hear a big difference when even only one note is played on the Genos!
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: whataguy on March 16, 2018, 01:13:08 PM
I agree G., thanks for the heads-up. Keep 'em comin'. Don in MI
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Pino on March 16, 2018, 01:21:46 PM
I know,  Genos sounds good
But,
As a gigging musician, what new features would I benefit from using Genos?
I’m already playing Genos styles on all my keyboards.

Pino
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Fred Smith on March 16, 2018, 05:36:57 PM
I’m already playing Genos styles on all my keyboards.

Be sure to thank those that bought a Genos who made this possible for you.

Fred
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: EileenL on March 16, 2018, 11:30:05 PM
Yes I agree Fred. Tyros will never sound like a Genos and neither will the styles.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: panos on March 17, 2018, 02:45:47 AM
I have also downloaded the Classic demonstration style of the Genos.
After revoicing/mixing the style I have played it on my psr s750.

https://soundcloud.com/user-74537650/game-of-thrones-main-themeyamaha-psr-s750-keyboard-cover (https://soundcloud.com/user-74537650/game-of-thrones-main-themeyamaha-psr-s750-keyboard-cover)

When Main D comes in about the middle of the cover. you can hear the keyboard "struggling" to produce the sounds.
The right hand vilolin sounds are like choking and their volume is dramatically reduced like there is a cut off effect.
I guess there are too many organs playing at the same time and the keyboard just cannot handle all those sounds.
I think this is where a keyboard's polyphony capability gets involved?
So at least to me, is obvious what the differences may be between a really good model as my own and the best model out there right now.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Pino on March 17, 2018, 01:47:14 PM
Hi Fred
I’ve given Yamaha over $20,000 of my money in the past 10 years

I think they should send me 4 or 5 free styles every month
And a Yamaha cap every Christmas. lol

5 keyboards, 2 speaker systems and a Mixer

Have a nice day  :)
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Fred Smith on March 17, 2018, 10:10:36 PM
I’ve given Yamaha over $20,000 of my money in the past 10 years

I think they should send me 4 or 5 free styles every month
And a Yamaha cap every Christmas. lol

5 keyboards, 2 speaker systems and a Mixer

And how much did you pay for the Genos styles you are using?

Fred
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Pino on March 18, 2018, 12:41:03 AM
Fred, maybe it’s a good idea to go out more
Take your Genos out and do a few gigs now and again
It really GOOD FUN,  :)
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Pianoman on March 18, 2018, 01:58:49 AM
I think it is a sad state of affairs when people cannot have open and
frank discussions about the Pros and Cons of a keyboard.

Vehemently defensive responses like " you'll never make friends here"
or "leave Genos owners in peace" when the same Genos owners are
complaining about bugs and all kinds of issues on a daily basis here,
are not a healthy attitude.

I believe that some members truly want to understand all there is to
know about issues, before taking the plunge and buying a Genos.

And some who want to question the wild claims that the Genos is
twice as good, or even 10 times better than their Tyroses,.

They post their doubts and questions here, not to deride the Genos
or it's owners, but to get a better understanding, and possibly
answers, delivered in a reasonable fashion.

I have read a post, by Will49 I think, where a knowledgeable person has told him
that, with keyboard technology already so advanced, it is impossible to make a
huge technological leap from one keyboard generation to the next.

A slight improvement yes, but not twice or ten times better than a previous
generation.

This has always been a friendly forum, where people came to seek answers.

But something has changed in a profound way.

There is an unhealthy and defensive hostility from some quarters,
directed at other members who question the veracity of some claims
relating to the Genos.

A member, whose posts have now been deleted, advised me not to post here,
when I noted that Genos prices are beginning to be more affordable.

This section may be about the Genos, but not exclusive to Genos owners.

It is my understanding that any member is free to post their thoughts, questions,
and concerns here.

Agreeing to disagree on issues in a civil and polite manner has always been the
adult way of doing things.

Please let's go back to the days when civility was the order of the day.

Best Regards.
Pianoman.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Bud2 on March 18, 2018, 02:58:47 AM
The Genos styles played on another keyboard will never sound anything like they would on the Genos because they won't have the Revo drums in them, to me this is one of the main things that maked the Genos stand out from the rest.  :)
Bill
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Joe H on March 18, 2018, 03:08:56 AM
I think it is a sad state of affairs when people cannot have open and
frank discussions about the Pros and Cons of a keyboard...

... But something has changed in a profound way...

... It is my understanding that any member is free to post their thoughts, questions,
and concerns here.

Agreeing to disagree on issues in a civil and polite manner has always been the
adult way of doing things.

Please let's go back to the days when civility was the order of the day.

Best Regards.
Pianoman.

Thank you for your comments.

 ;)

Joe H
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Lee Batchelor on March 18, 2018, 03:09:17 AM
I notice three major improvements on the Genos over the T5:

Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: whataguy on March 18, 2018, 03:10:59 AM
That's why I stopped wearing high heels, a skirt and blouse, I Just Don't look as Good in them. Like Ringo Starr is famous for saying "Peace and Love, Peace and Love". D. in MI
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Pianoman on March 18, 2018, 03:57:04 AM
Thank you for your comments.

 ;)

Joe H

You're most welcome Joe.

I thought that it might help bring back a bit of civility.
It sometimes seems like madness has prevailed and
reason has been tossed out of the window.

I appreciate your comments and the thanks.

Best Regards.
Abby.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: panos on March 18, 2018, 04:32:33 AM
"Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5"
...and nobody sales his Genos :(
That makes the Genos owners so unfriendly...

 
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Gunnar Jonny on March 18, 2018, 05:15:05 AM
"Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5"
...and nobody sales his Genos :(
That makes the Genos owners so unfriendly...

 ;D Not quite true, here is one used at norwegian 'Finn', a kind of eBay.
There will be more, just give it time. The prices for new items getting lower each week, so if pocket is loaded and patience is your friend,all that sudden you'll have one. ;)
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Kaarlo von Freymann on March 18, 2018, 05:33:26 AM
I think it is a sad state of affairs when people cannot have open and frank discussions about the Pros and Cons of a keyboard.
.......Vehemently defensive responses like " you'll never make friends here" or "leave Genos owners in peace" ..... are not a healthy attitude.....

Pianoman.

THANKS for an overdue excellent reflective post.  But first a little off topic:  I went to YouTube and realized what a great performer you are. I looked and listened to What a Wonderful World several times and having enjoyed Louis Armstrong live many times  during a long life I was overwhelmed by how well you could impersonate him not only vocally, also in his habitus. He was not only a great musician but had an unrivaled charm on stage. I wonder whether you used the "Mary to Bob setting" for the vocal (I do for many of  Armstrong's songs)  but it does not sound half as authentic as you do.  Purists tell me I should not  try to imitate neither Louis Armstrong nor Nat King Cole, but it is tempting with to-days technology.

I am on many forums - not only music, also technical and all-round ones like Quora - and I cannot help a strange feeling creeping up.  There is an imbalance between  useless arguing and real help. (I would not be surprised in case I learned that all these very informative posts like  "My Genos arrived this afternoon, fantastic !"  could have the same type of origin as the hundreds of thousands of posts telling us how great Mr.Putin is.

For instance I have the problem with two specimens of Genos, namely that on both the memorized registry settings  that at first work as they should  (which means they must have been set up properly), after a couple of gigs  are completely corrupted, e.g. return to default slider settings, intros left out, tempos changed etc.  And this is irrespective of  whether they were saved on User or a USB, so I deduct it cannot be a defect in the memory medium, it must be a defect in the  "interpretation software"  of what is in the memory. As a fact the page listing the bank shows it is not what it used to be.  It would seem impossible to me that I have the only two Genos with this problem.  So I ask myself  how come no-one has touched this vital problem or responded.  Could it be that it is the "my car is faultless -syndrome" you have all encountered.  People are not aware of  a cooling insufficiency  defect because they never did what brings up the problem like driving over the Swiss Alps. But then again there are too many VERY knowledgeable  posters on this forum to whom this cannot apply.

Cheers
Kaarlo
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Kaarlo von Freymann on March 18, 2018, 05:52:17 AM
I notice three major improvements on the Genos over the T5:

  • Far better pianos
  • Revo drums
  • Overall sound processing

Thanks Lee for a statement that that is not only  IMHO correct and to the point but very relevant for deciding whether to buy or not.   Help is what people expect from forums.  I does not really help to read "My Genos finally arrived this afternoon, I am very happy"  although the pursuit of happiness is even mentioned in the constitution.

Cheers 
Kaarlo 
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Pianoman on March 18, 2018, 07:04:34 AM
THANKS for an overdue excellent reflective post.  But first a little off topic:  I went to YouTube and realized what a great performer you are. I looked and listened to What a Wonderful World several times and having enjoyed Louis Armstrong live many times  during a long life I was overwhelmed by how well you could impersonate him not only vocally, also in his habitus. He was not only a great musician but had an unrivaled charm on stage. I wonder whether you used the "Mary to Bob setting" for the vocal (I do for many of  Armstrong's songs)  but it does not sound half as authentic as you do. Purists tell me I should not  try to imitate neither Louis Armstrong nor Nat King Cole, but it is tempting with to-days technology.

Cheers
Kaarlo


Hello Kaarlo.

Thank you for your wonderful compliments, and for liking my post.
I appreciate both very much.

The level of incivility has been slowly rising these past few months.
At first almost imperceptible, but now gathering pace.

Some of it from long time members, who definitely should
know better. 

What is a Mary to Bob setting?
I've never heard that term used before.

I sing into my Yamaha powered mixer, not into the keyboard.

Best Regards.
Abby.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Kaarlo von Freymann on March 18, 2018, 08:37:51 AM
Mary > Bob" is a setting in the Tyros 5,  Genos and almost all Harmony Voice generators, where the input singer's voice is transferred  1 octave lower giving you  sort of a gravely Louis Armstrong voice.  It is also useful when having 2 harmony systems with one mic each like I use so that you can for instance mimic tunes like "Gone Fishing" made famous by Louis Armstrong   One singer sings some words and then the harmonized answer comes from the other system. Or for  instance  by singing into both mikes adding the melody one octave lower. You can get harmony + the low voice  on many harmonizers. but it will not sound natural without using two mics and moving your mouth back and forth between them. The Harmony voice generator on Genos is better than on Tyros and maybe even Digitech's and Helicons best rack mounted units  which I also happen to have just like the Roland VP 7.
             
                        http://www.gigasonic.com/Digitech-Vocalist-Live-Pro.html 

I am always surprised how few performers use voice harmonizing. It is probably because like with everything you must learn to use them to get a good result. This is a demo of how it should not sound

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHnp14NWFY0,

this is IMHO a very good example

                         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx_gd-H7JAQ         

or am I blinded by that extremely charming Lady Satori ? As they say high age does not make you immune to female charm.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Pianoman on March 18, 2018, 09:54:48 AM
Hello again Kaarlo.

Thank you very much for the explanation and the video link.

I have just watched the video and it's quite interesting, but it's a bit
too much technology for me.

Many music related circles here do not have a very high opinion of
Arranger keyboards, or arranger players in general.

We are not considered "real musicians" and our music is often called
"canned" music.

To keep working, it is not enough to just play good music.
I have to totally obliterate the competition, and get it
right every single time.

So I try to keep my use of technology at an absolute minimum, turning off as
many accompaniment tracks as necessary when playing.

Except when it is absolutely unavoidable to use all 8 tracks.

Singing into a hamonizer, where an audience hears a whole choir, even
though there's only one guy on stage, will destroy any credibility that I
still have left.

I normally just plug my microphone into my Mixer Amp and belt away
till it's time to go home.

It looks like a good tool for studio work though.

Thanks again.

Best Regards.
Abby.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Will49 on March 18, 2018, 07:49:59 PM
Many music related circles here do not have a very high opinion of Arranger keyboards, or arranger players in general. We are not considered "real musicians" and our music is often called  "canned" music. So I try to keep my use of technology at an absolute minimum, turning off as many accompaniment tracks as necessary when playing.
Hi Abby. I totally agree! In fact, I have noticed a decline in my playing ability over the years... and that’s because all the modern technology has turned me into a lazy player! When I first got started (mid 1970s), it was on electronic organs, Hammond, Gulbransen, Kawai etc., none if which had any of today’s sophisticated auto-accompaniment tracks... so things like intros and endings were things you very often had to come up with yourself... and actually play them instead of hitting a button and listen to a recording as we now do!

This was brought home to me in a flash last year when someone I hadn't seen in many, many years called round - I had my Tyros 4 this time round. The last time I'd seen her was in 1982 when I had my Kawai DX900, so I couldn’t wait to show off my T4 to her. But I was immediately brought down to earth with a bump when she laughed and said... "Hey, that's bluffing but you're not fooling me... that thing is doing it all for you"! She's a very good friend from long ago, so no hard feelings! And more importantly, of course, is the fact that she was spot on! These modern arrangers may make some of us sound better than we did years ago, but it's not necessarily due to our playing ability as a lot of it is down to all that pre-recorded stuff jangling away inside the keyboard! Proper/”real musicians” are those who can turn all of that stuff off... and still sound amazing! ;)

Best regards,
Will49
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: stephenm52 on March 18, 2018, 08:19:19 PM
Will, you bring up a good point. All my music instruction was on piano, once I started playing arrangers my playing ability declined and I got lazy.   I recently completed a 2 month long 1 hour weekly piano solo gig in the lobby of an upscale medical facility, it's a wallpaper music style gig but I was happy to have it because it got me back to playing piano.  Next year I'm already booked for 3 months but knowing that I'll be playing it I've gone back to working on piano solo tunes.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: EileenL on March 18, 2018, 08:41:47 PM
I do agree that I have never seen anything like the bickering that has gone on regards Genos. For one thing there are far to many sections. All Genos posts should be under one heading as other boards are. If Yamaha do look in on forums they must have been very disappointed in what they saw going on here. A lot of the nasty posts should have been stopped by moderators anyway. Genos section should be for information, help if needed and given in a constructive way.
  I know of quite a few peole that went back to there Tyros 4 keyboard after having Tyros 5 for a short while but it did not have the effect that going back to Tyros 5 from Genos has had. WHY??????
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Pino on March 18, 2018, 08:47:28 PM
Will49,    after playing in 5 or 6 piece bands for many years and getting reasonable pay and then the discos and karaoke coming along with just one guy being paid the bands were put out of business,

Isn’t the arranger keyboard a way back in for some of us musicians

We’re  back in the completion 
be happy  :)

One man band
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: panos on March 18, 2018, 08:55:09 PM
Will, on the other hand, I am glad that those people with this attitude are just  "music related circles" as Abby said and not engineers.
We would still be living in the stone age with those old minds ;D
8 parts in a style = 8 hands playing music = 4 musicians less.
Once again technology is responsible for the unemployment. :(

So a musician that can play live like a whole band would have done,is not a "real" musician?
In that case the director of The London Philharmonic Orchestra may be nothing more
but a.... metronome? (or maybe the intro and the ending in keyboard's definition.  ;D)

Well in my point of view, some Dj's that the words do-re-mi sound like a playground for children or something, are excellent in playing and producing music.
"Real" or "fake", all I can hear as a listener is the result.


Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Lee Batchelor on March 18, 2018, 09:37:34 PM
Then again, Peter Baartmans uses a fair amount of background sounds on any arranger he demonstrates. Is he cheating? No, he's a great player who shines whether he plays in a band or with an arranger keyboard. In fact, since moving to the Genos, even my playing has become slightly better.

Folks, I've played live stage for for about 30 years. In that time, I have been in some amazing bands and some pretty crappy ones where their timing sucked and there were a lot of poor or incorrect chords. Playing with really good players is the same as being backed by an accurate and well designed arranger keyboard. In both cases, you play better. For the purist piano player, you can set the Fingering mode of the Tyros or Genos to suit your needs. Yamaha and other companies have achieved a very difficult goal: they produced a keyboard for beginners right up to experts. That's rare.

I'd wager there's a ton of people who would never have thought about playing a keyboard if the arranger had not been perfected. It's quite a contrast to some of the piano teachers of the 60s who would smack your fingers if you didn't play the scales correctly! I've met a lot of people who took lessons in that environment and quit because of it. The arranger gives them a new lease on their musical lives - at any age.

My favorite saying: if everyone on the planet played a musical instrument or sang, we wouldn't need police officers or armies.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Pino on March 18, 2018, 09:58:05 PM
Eileen, you are correct
But don’t you think that it is partly Yamaha’s fault

This was a good time to build a new keyboard from the ground up

Yamaha is content to only give us some new sounds and some new styles
yes, I agree, the new touch screen is better
But we wanted more from this new range of keyboards

This is an arranger keyboard
We need the tools to easily edit voices, edit styles, edit drums, edit E record.(quantise etc.)
Record into a proper sequencer with a piano roll similar to what we had with ‘Technics and Roland and easy connect to outside software like ‘Cubase,

I already have excellent sounds, even the drums can be tunes to what I want.
The sounds on the Tyros and PSR’s are good
I just needed the tools for easy edits to what I have already got

Style edit, voice edit, drum edit and 16 track sequencer should have been a joy to use by now.
I think Yamaha is working on iPad apps right now, I hope so.

Yamaha had a great opportunity to build a new keyboard from the ground up

They missed that opportunity

Just my 2 cents


Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Antonio on March 18, 2018, 10:25:14 PM
Dear Pino,

I like you I was very angry, and I'm still ****** off for the silly things that Yamaha does, but with the 1.20 upgrade they have partially put in place those stupidities that make the keyboard in some ways a shame.

Apart from that it will last a couple of months and you will see that the keyboard will be acceptable to us demanding guys.

So do not you too a stupid worthy of Yamaha to sell an unfinished product ........ so much the Genos who buys it ?????
All in all despite its deficiencies, it is the best keyboard in the market.

Courage after Easter will give us the version 1.92 you say? and you will please Eileen that you keep the Genos !!!
 :D :D

spero che il traduttore funzioni bene!!
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: guitpic1 on March 18, 2018, 10:27:48 PM
Interesting thread.

Re: Lee’s comment about new players, I’m one.  I’m a guitar player who has had a great time playing arranger...though I’m not the best player. But I wouldn’t have tried to learn keyboard at all starting out in my 60’s if it hadn’t been for Yamaha arrangers.

To those of you who think Yamaha missed the boat building Genos from the ground up....

If you want something totally different...buy something different.  I bought a PA4X, very different from Yamaha...new OS to learn and all.  However, as great as the PA4X is, I missed the voices and styles of Yamaha....also missed the registration system.

Yamaha made just enough changes in Genos that got me to switch back.  Things like a touch screen, lighter keyboard, playlist, assignable knobs and sliders, a very upgradeable OS...well the list goes on.

Yamaha, IMHO, did the Genos in a very smart way, making huge changes in the structure of the board yet keeping those things that brought me back to Yamaha.

Like I said, if you want something different...buy something different.  Get a Korg PA4X, Roland arranger, or buy a stage piano and add a Ketron SD40 or Roland BK 9(I think that’s what it’s called).

I’m not suggesting that those posting shouldn’t offer constructive suggestions, that’s helpful. 

But it seems to me that some folks want the Genos to be something it isn’t and never will be. Those folks should look at buying something different than Genos.

😊

Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: EileenL on March 19, 2018, 12:08:19 AM
I have to agree with you there. No one twisted our arm to buy Genos. It was our choice and we should not be made to feel inferior because we are happy with it. I want mine to act like a keyboard and play it as such. I don't want to try to add bits and pieces to it and run it through different programmes. I understand people that do but do not blame the keyboard if it will not work for you and then say it is bugs. Find out from Yamaha if what you want to do is possible. Any one who knows me will know that that I have always done all my editing on my various keyboards and for me Genos is no different. Top marks to Yamaha for retaining an operating system that we all know.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Joe H on March 19, 2018, 12:12:34 AM

But it seems to me that some folks want the Genos to be something it isn’t and never will be. Those folks should look at buying something different than Genos.

😊

I agree with most of what you say but... I wouldn't bet the farm on statement above. Yamaha do  listen.

The current Genos is far from being the final product.  The users and players will tell Yamaha what they want see added. They took this new approach with the Montage and Genos both.

Joe H
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Pino on March 19, 2018, 01:27:16 AM

Guitpick, isn’t that strange, I just bought a Ketron SD-40 a while ago and I will Midi it to my S970 and I sold a Roland BK9 last years, a very good keyboard.

My main boards have been Yamaha since Technics finished, I know the OS pretty well and can do ‘workarounds’ if needed, all I’m saying is that Yamaha should go back and sort out the editing side before concentrating on more sound advancement.

Shouldn’t drum editing be a little bit more up to date at 2018, something with pads or drums on the screen, similar to the photo?.

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Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Bud2 on March 19, 2018, 02:21:34 AM
I admit I am not a professioal player but I have had all the Tyros's since Tyros 2 and I now have the Genos, however I have never seen so much unhappy and fault finding in any of the Tyros's like I am seeing with the Genos. I have always made my own registrations and the only Tyros I had to do the most work with was the Tyros 5 because I thought and some people have agreed with me that the OTS on the Tyros 5 were the worst I have come across since the Tyros 2, however with the Genos I have a lot less to do to make my Registrations what I want so as far as I am concerned the Genos is great and on top of this, in my opinion and others, the sound system which comes with the Genos is the first one worthy of being attached to the top of the range keyboard. Just my view on this Genos.
Bill
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: gerarde on March 19, 2018, 02:46:05 AM
I think there are 2 types of arranger players.
One type does a lot of editing and one type that does not.
I fall into the second type that does not do a lot of editing.
I had a TYROS 4, Tyros 5-76 and a PSR S970.
I took all the styles I had from those keyboards, mainly purchased song styles and changed the drums on most of them to REVO drums and on many changed to better sounding bass guitars, etc.
It was easy to do.
Everything I had on my Tyros's and the PSR, I have on the Genos and much much more.
I do not need to do extensive editing, I just want my styles to be as close to the song as I can get, without spending hours and hours of tweaking.
I feel that many, many arranger players are like me.
I am so happy with the new pianos, REVO drums and sound processing.
So, much of this editing that some posts state that they want is not a bug in Genos, it is a "I wish it was there", and in some cases state, "It should be there, it is not complete without it there".
The Tyros was complete for what it would do.
The PSR S970 was complete for what it would do.
And the Genos is complete for what it can do, and satisfies, I feel, the majority of owners.
And the good news is that it is definitely better than all its predecessors.
My 2 cents worth,

Gerard
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Joe H on March 19, 2018, 05:49:17 AM
I'm a bit surprised by all the "black and white" thinking.   Life is made up of millions of colors.  I guess some folks are just colored-blind.

If one is not detailed, they will never appreciate what it takes to produce a beautiful painting, fine Classical piece of music, a distinctive piece of architecture or even Classic piece of period furniture, etc.

 ;)

Joe H
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Pianoman on March 19, 2018, 09:55:58 AM
There is no substitute for talent. Industry and all its virtues are of no avail.

Aldous Huxley
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: travlin-easy on March 19, 2018, 10:49:55 AM
Well guys and gals, I must agree with my friend Abby. From my perspective, over the years and having owned many, many arranger keyboards, I have never seen this much hostility and controversy expressed over any musical instrument.

And, as I have stated many times in the past, the primary function of this forum is, and always has been, to provide assistance to those in need. Yes, Yamaha does monitor this site and from what I have been told, they consider it among the top arranger keyboard sites on the internet. Over the years, they have responded positively to most consumers requests. I consider them to be among the very best arranger keyboard manufactures in this respect. No other manufacturer has provided us with the support and attention that Yamaha has in my lifetime.

Please keep your replies civil,

Gary 8)
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Denn on March 19, 2018, 10:54:46 AM
My Tyros 4
To the tune of “Put Your Sweet Lips a little closer to the Phone”

I’m so glad that you have answered all my posts
The Genos and the Korg are now just ghosts,
I’ve heard the songs and sounds that you all play
So now, my Tyros 4 just has to stay.

You say the sounds and tones are oh so good
And at the price you pay they really should
But touching screens and toggle sticks are not my way
So now, my Tyros 4 is here to stay.

I have played my alto sax a lot and it is sweet and low
I have tweaked my real strings again and they are oh so slow

They say that “want,” like love, can make you blind
So the Genos and the Korg are not my kind
I’ve seen the pics and heard the sounds that’s all I’ll say
So now, my Tyros 4 just has to stay.


Link to the tune.
https://app.box.com/s/qjawqqpcyahg178l8bwxvjwnq61lksyq


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Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Pino on March 19, 2018, 11:43:33 AM
Yes Gary, you have the last word.

And thank you for all your valuable contributions to the PSR community
over the years.

Best Regards

Pino
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: EileenL on March 19, 2018, 08:35:44 PM
Yes Gary Yamaha do listen and if they think a suggestion will work well for everyone they will do there best to incorporate it but there are limits. You can not provide everything most of which would only be used by the few and I am sure most people would not want to pay for something they do not use. I think we may see some Ipad apps coming along that may enable different uses.
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: wolfram on March 19, 2018, 08:45:45 PM
Yes ,Eileen & Gerard.The genos is a super machine and even better than the tyros5.
I have no troubles with the Genos since i have it(30/10/2017
regards,
wolfram
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: dinapoli on March 28, 2018, 11:35:42 PM
Interesting thread.

Re: Lee’s comment about new players, I’m one.  I’m a guitar player who has had a great time playing arranger...though I’m not the best player. But I wouldn’t have tried to learn keyboard at all starting out in my 60’s if it hadn’t been for Yamaha arrangers.

To those of you who think Yamaha missed the boat building Genos from the ground up....

If you want something totally different...buy something different.  I bought a PA4X, very different from Yamaha...new OS to learn and all.  However, as great as the PA4X is, I missed the voices and styles of Yamaha....also missed the registration system.

Yamaha made just enough changes in Genos that got me to switch back.  Things like a touch screen, lighter keyboard, playlist, assignable knobs and sliders, a very upgradeable OS...well the list goes on.

Yamaha, IMHO, did the Genos in a very smart way, making huge changes in the structure of the board yet keeping those things that brought me back to Yamaha.

Like I said, if you want something different...buy something different.  Get a Korg PA4X, Roland arranger, or buy a stage piano and add a Ketron SD40 or Roland BK 9(I think that’s what it’s called).

I’m not suggesting that those posting shouldn’t offer constructive suggestions, that’s helpful. 

But it seems to me that some folks want the Genos to be something it isn’t and never will be. Those folks should look at buying something different than Genos.

😊For many years I used the Tyros 1 and 3, I was looking for a lighter keyboard.  I got a Ketron Audya 4 Arranger Modula, midied it with a Yamaha keyboard.  The styles of the Audya are good the voices are OK, now it takes longer to set-up, having back problem it is not easy to carry more items.  I was reading about GENOS the new arranger. does anyone knows a link where I can hear all the styles of this new arranger? 

Thank you
Gino
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: Joe H on March 29, 2018, 12:14:03 AM
... These modern arrangers may make some of us sound better than we did years ago, but it's not necessarily due to our playing ability as a lot of it is down to all that pre-recorded stuff jangling away inside the keyboard! Proper/”real musicians” are those who can turn all of that stuff off... and still sound amazing! ;)

Best regards,
Will49

That's a valid point of view, but when we try to make our own styles and Multi Pads... things change.  While the Preset styles can be referred to as "canned music" creating our own styles is not. The process of creating the entire music ourselves... That takes talent and skill. And when we play our own styles and Multi Pads it is our own music... all of it

 ;)

Joe H
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: dont811 on March 29, 2018, 09:19:02 AM
If they are starting from scratch, I think the Genos is easier to learn, because it has a touch screen, which most people find more intuitive (witness the popularity of the iPad).Fred   

*** Fred,  You're "...because it has a touch screen."  makes my mouth salivate simply because I, just last night, began playing my  Korg I-30 WITH the touch screen. You see, my S910 had major issues with it's memory as I was attempting to change .rgt. It caused me to have a meltdown right at the beginning of the night. I had only wished I had my I-30 along for backup.  "because it has a touch screen..."  I have to look the Genos up just for kicks. Thanks, Don
Title: Re: Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5
Post by: 8t8KEEZ on June 29, 2018, 09:48:35 PM
The Yamaha Genos, and I have one, reminds me VERY much like the old Yamaha Organ Electones ... as well as the Lowrey Magic Genies or whatever those organs were that did all these sounds and sounded like a full orchestra....

In my opinion - The Genos is just that ... a single manual electone .... that's all ... nothing more ... nothing less ... I have ALWAYS been somewhat dissapointed with the Tyros ... and now, the Genos. As mentioned in a different thread I posted in, my Motif has the sequencer I want in the Genos ... primarily because in the Motif, you can record a "tempo" track, as well as have a single song that contains different time signature ... songs like 10,000 Reasons, which intermixes 4/4 with 2/4, and and Everlasting God, which does the same type of thing ....

Now - perhaps, through registration usage, this could be accomplished ... "maybe" ... I have to experiment ...

But - don't get me wrong ... I like the Genos ... I'm just not pleased calling it an arranger workstation ... because ... it isn't... I see a lot of older generations have this keyboard ... "why?" because it's easy to play ... You could play chords with one finger ...