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Title: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: Reg on February 01, 2018, 12:14:38 AM
  The next Genos Firmware Update  has been delayed until Feb.22nd.  Reg
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: vanray on February 01, 2018, 12:20:26 AM
Says who ?
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: Reg on February 01, 2018, 12:39:47 AM
   A Yamaha rep who had been to Namm  relayed this message to me.  Apparently the previous date re the update has been changed.  This all I know. 
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: voodoo on February 01, 2018, 12:54:39 AM
We got the same message from a German musician with good contacts to Yamaha officials.
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: soryt on February 01, 2018, 05:50:57 AM
I got the same message from Yamaha BNL  ( Netherlands) , Because the Namm they said .

Soryt :(
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: AlBags on February 01, 2018, 07:33:49 AM

Maybe the Eng team have been looking at all the confirmed bugs and omissions, and quoted one month to prepare. Yamaha Servers will be busy on the 23rd! 😊
I cant see they can fix/include everything, but it will be a start.
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: StuartR on February 01, 2018, 07:38:06 AM
We got the same message from a German musician with good contacts to Yamaha officials.

I sure wish we had better (read: ANY) Yamaha participation in this forum. What little we get now is second hand at best.
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: soundphase on February 01, 2018, 01:45:12 PM
I know it depends the way one uses the arranger, but I am far less annoyed with Genos bugs than I was with Tyros 5 bugs at its launch.

So, I prefer less firmware patches and big ones (perhaps with new features 🤩) .

Genos couldn’t be launched with less OS features than T5. Now, it is quite ok, Yamaha can take time to add them calmly.
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: StuartR on February 01, 2018, 09:03:06 PM
I know it depends the way one uses the arranger, but I am far less annoyed with Genos bugs than I was with Tyros 5 bugs at its launch.

So, I prefer less firmware patches and big ones (perhaps with new features 🤩) .

Genos couldn’t be launched with less OS features than T5. Now, it is quite ok, Yamaha can take time to add them calmly.

Good point. I wasn't using arranger keyboards when the Tyros series came out so I missed that comparison. I didn't even know such technology existed. Boy am I glad I literally stumbled and fell backwards into Yamaha arrangers. Changed my playing life forever! I've since tried (and sold) seven keyboards and replaced them all with Genos.
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: KetPa4 on February 01, 2018, 09:52:42 PM
That is welcome news I have had my Genos for 3 days and already I feel like taking it back and that's not good to feel that way I don't think I have ever been as let down by a new keyboard in my life to date so much hype talk and demos and yet my seven year old ketron is streets ahead of it as far as editing is concerned

Yamaha seriously need to sort this
regards
Pat
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: vanray on February 02, 2018, 12:04:11 AM
I have had my Genos for 3 days and already I feel like taking it back

and that's not good to feel that way I don't think I have ever been as let down by a new keyboard in my life
Pat

I feel sorry for you, but hold on a little while,for the upgrade
ONLY THEN ,make a decision
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: StuartR on February 02, 2018, 12:07:13 AM
That is welcome news I have had my Genos for 3 days and already I feel like taking it back and that's not good to feel that way I don't think I have ever been as let down by a new keyboard in my life to date so much hype talk and demos and yet my seven year old ketron is streets ahead of it as far as editing is concerned

Yamaha seriously need to sort this
regards
Pat

Could you share exactly what editing issues you are seeing?
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: Mazeka on February 03, 2018, 03:14:21 PM
I sure wish we had better (read: ANY) Yamaha participation in this forum. What little we get now is second hand at best.

Hello,
Now and then I do read the posts, and if I am able to share information, I will.



Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: StuartR on February 03, 2018, 08:21:23 PM
Hello,
Now and then I do read the posts, and if I am able to share information, I will.

Much appreciated. Can you confirm the date of the next Genos firmware update? First we heard January 25; didn't happen; now we hear February 22. Do you have any details to share?
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: keynote on February 03, 2018, 08:47:17 PM
Hello,
Now and then I do read the posts, and if I am able to share information, I will.

Thank you for your participation on this forum!

Heratch Touresian is a very knowledgeable Yamaha product specialist and an invaluable resource for all things Genos. We can all breathe a little easier knowing Yamaha employees follow this and other keyboard forums dedicated to Yamaha products.

February 22nd is not too far off and hopefully it will be a comprehensive update with perhaps some added functionality and other enhancements. It doesn't hurt to dream big, right?  8)

أتمنى لك يوماً عظيماً!

Mike
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: AlBags on February 03, 2018, 11:41:03 PM

Mazeka would have said I think, if he knew anything.
FW probably in Beta already, but it has to be tested too! Mind you, we seem to be Beta testers 😐
I'm sure Yamaha have a presence on these forums, and pick up main gripes, tho.

Al.
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: StuartR on February 04, 2018, 01:23:10 AM
Mazeka would have said I think, if he knew anything.
FW probably in Beta already, but it has to be tested too! Mind you, we seem to be Beta testers 😐
I'm sure Yamaha have a presence on these forums, and pick up main gripes, tho.

Al.
You know, collectively, over the years, folks on this forum have probably spent 10s of millions of dollars on Yamaha arrangers. I don't think it's too much to ask that they give something back and openly participate here or even on one of their own. Just reading the posts silently and taking (or not, who really knows) details back to their product team isn't very much IMHO.
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: ugawoga on February 04, 2018, 03:16:14 AM
Would be nice if when changing a registration it could knock off the arpeggio rythm from the multipad section if it is on repeat.
It stays on when changing to next registration
Got to be quick with the hands coming down to a quieter registration

Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: AlBags on February 04, 2018, 08:41:04 AM
You know, collectively, over the years, folks on this forum have probably spent 10s of millions of dollars on Yamaha arrangers. I don't think it's too much to ask that they give something back and openly participate here or even on one of their own. Just reading the posts silently and taking (or not, who really knows) details back to their product team isn't very much IMHO.

I agree .. but I'm sure that's what many manufacturers/marketers do.
Be nice if they had a visible REP to openly correlate and report back findings and studies.
It helps EVERYBODY! 😉👌
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: StuartR on February 04, 2018, 09:30:29 AM
I agree .. but I'm sure that's what many manufacturers/marketers do.
Be nice if they had a visible REP to openly correlate and report back findings and studies.
It helps EVERYBODY! 😉👌

Amen.📥📤
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: Grayfox on February 04, 2018, 09:33:05 PM
Would be nice if when changing a registration it could knock off the arpeggio rythm from the multipad section if it is on repeat.
It stays on when changing to next registration
Got to be quick with the hands coming down to a quieter registration

You can, I do it all the time, just turn multipads to zero volume on your next reg.
Graham
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: ugawoga on February 04, 2018, 10:26:11 PM
Hi Graham

I did not think of that
I am nearing getting reistration s done now,but all the sound levels have to be adjusted.
It takes a good time to get everything right and I am trying to keep all  registrations of every song on the same level.
I have used a couple of demos as markers and get on that level.
Hopefully not too much fiddling when done. :)

All the best
john
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: EileenL on February 04, 2018, 11:00:17 PM
One of the reasons Yamaha technical people do not come onto sites is that they do not have time. They are kept very busy with people phoning them and helping them resolve problems they may have. We all have the chance to get in touch directly and this is what should be done when you think you have found a Bug It will then be sent off to Japan for the experts to look into it. This will not happen on forums.
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: BartW on February 04, 2018, 11:49:46 PM
One of the reasons Yamaha technical people do not come onto sites is that they do not have time. They are kept very busy with people phoning them and helping them resolve problems they may have. We all have the chance to get in touch directly and this is what should be done when you think you have found a Bug It will then be sent off to Japan for the experts to look into it. This will not happen on forums.

I respectfully disagree. In this day and age, ignoring user forums is inexcusable. People nowadays discuss things online and expect feedback/technical support online. Genos is a high-tech instrument which should go with a high-tech support and phone, whether you like it or not, isn't. It is not like Yamaha has to follow dozens of forums. It is a niche market so they could spend 30 minutes per day on the forums (even single one) and greatly improve customer satisfaction.
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: Bill on February 04, 2018, 11:54:45 PM
Hi Bart

You suggest that there are not many forums,  Maybe not English ones, but there are many more in all sorts of countries that do not speak English as their native tongue.

Bill
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: BartW on February 05, 2018, 12:18:12 AM
OK Bill, so how about Yamaha addresses the 99%+ of Genos users who can read English regardless of their native tongue or know how to use Google Translate.
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: EileenL on February 05, 2018, 01:22:21 AM
30 mins on a forum would be useless. It takes that long to read some of the threads on here. When we buy a keyboard the contract is with the shop and manufacturer and they should always be your first port of call if you have a problem. As members we try to help where possible as to how to operate and get the best from it but faults are a different kettle of fish.
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: BartW on February 05, 2018, 01:49:56 AM
30 mins on a forum would be useless. It takes that long to read some of the threads on here. When we buy a keyboard the contract is with the shop and manufacturer and they should always be your first port of call if you have a problem. As members we try to help where possible as to how to operate and get the best from it but faults are a different kettle of fish.

There always are million reasons why NOT to do something. Now, where did I put the phonebook...
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: StuartR on February 05, 2018, 04:40:41 AM
One of the reasons Yamaha technical people do not come onto sites is that they do not have time. They are kept very busy with people phoning them and helping them resolve problems they may have. We all have the chance to get in touch directly and this is what should be done when you think you have found a Bug It will then be sent off to Japan for the experts to look into it. This will not happen on forums.

Nah. There are plenty of product folks in a company as large as resourceful as Yamaha. I don't need them to come here to gather bug reports. I want folks that know the product inside and out and can provide quick answers to these issues that everyone here is guessing about and also to give us some video workshops/tutorials like they do for their synth owners. There's no reason for them to be ignoring the arranger community.
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: Dromeus on February 05, 2018, 05:22:10 AM
One of the reasons Yamaha technical people do not come onto sites is that they do not have time.

Eileen, how can you know?

Why is there an official forum for Yamaha synths operated by Yamaha (https://yamahasynth.com/forum (https://yamahasynth.com/forum))?

Why does Phil Clendeninn aka "Bad Mister", a Yamaha technical sales specialist and respected expert on Yamaha's synth technology (https://yamahasynth.com/blog/author/958-badmister (https://yamahasynth.com/blog/author/958-badmister)) does have the time, to provide regularily very detailed answers to user's questions in that very forum, summing up to (until today) 6408 replies in less then four years (see his profile https://yamahasynth.com/forum/profile/958 (https://yamahasynth.com/forum/profile/958))? I don't mention the many years he did the same thing on the motifator forum. I don't mention his countless technical articles he wrote to provide in-depth technical know-how to Yamaha's customer base.

Why does Yamaha arranger users are left in the dust? No time? Come on, Eileen. From the perspective of the loyal customers of Yamaha arrangers such support is desperatly needed. I've stated in this forum that I invested a considerable amount of my hard earned money in Yamaha products over the years and I like the Genos as a product. So this is not bashing Yamaha, on contrary. I got a lot of support from Yamaha (forum, technical articles, tutorial video) for a synth product that was considerable less expensive than a Genos. All I ask for is to get the same level of support as an arranger customer that I enjoyed as as synth customer.

Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: vanray on February 05, 2018, 06:10:37 AM
One of the reasons Yamaha technical people do not come onto sites is that they do not have time.
They are kept very busy with people phoning them and helping them resolve problems they may have.


One of the reasons Yamaha officials ,cant commit to admitting a fault ? ,
They could be "Sued" 

There is an ex - judge on this forum called " TORBEN "
Hes knows what im taking about .

(https://s14.postimg.org/llxrzhxy9/serveimage.jpg)
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: StuartR on February 05, 2018, 07:31:21 AM
Eileen, how can you know?

Why is there an official forum for Yamaha synths operated by Yamaha (https://yamahasynth.com/forum (https://yamahasynth.com/forum))?

Why does Phil Clendeninn aka "Bad Mister", a Yamaha technical sales specialist and respected expert on Yamaha's synth technology (https://yamahasynth.com/blog/author/958-badmister (https://yamahasynth.com/blog/author/958-badmister)) does have the time, to provide regularily very detailed answers to user's questions in that very forum, summing up to (until today) 6408 replies in less then four years (see his profile https://yamahasynth.com/forum/profile/958 (https://yamahasynth.com/forum/profile/958))? I don't mention the many years he did the same thing on the motifator forum. I don't mention his countless technical articles he wrote to provide in-depth technical know-how to Yamaha's customer base.

Why does Yamaha arranger users are left in the dust? No time? Come on, Eileen. From the perspective of the loyal customers of Yamaha arrangers such support is desperatly needed. I've stated in this forum that I invested a considerable amount of my hard earned money in Yamaha products over the years and I like the Genos as a product. So this is not bashing Yamaha, on contrary. I got a lot of support from Yamaha (forum, technical articles, tutorial video) for a synth product that was considerable less expensive than a Genos. All I ask for is to get the same level of support as an arranger customer that I enjoyed as as synth customer.

And Yamaha is clearly advertising Genos as a professional musicians instrument. So, where's the support, Yamaha?
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: EileenL on February 05, 2018, 08:03:52 AM
Well have you all or any of you been in contact to ask Yamaha direct why they don't come on forums.
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: StuartR on February 05, 2018, 08:16:33 AM
Well have you all or any of you been in contact to ask Yamaha direct why they don't come on forums.

That's a good idea if we had a decision maker level contact inside Yamaha. Just calling first level customer service isn't going to get us anywhere. I think we've all seen who you get when you call any company's customer service line. So if anyone has a product management level contact, pm me and I'll be happy to call him/her.
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: vanray on February 05, 2018, 08:22:05 AM
Why is there an official forum for Yamaha synths operated by Yamaha ?
 (https://yamahasynth.com/forum (https://yamahasynth.com/forum))?


I find this EXTREMELY INTERESTING
Why would yamaha provide THAT Community of users,
with DIRECT Support ?

Very Odd.

(https://s17.postimg.org/8iz9lz3il/yam.jpg)
 
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: StuartR on February 05, 2018, 08:27:47 AM

I find this EXTREMELY INTERESTING
Why would yamaha provide THAT Community of users,
with DIRECT Support ?

Very Odd.

(https://s17.postimg.org/8iz9lz3il/yam.jpg)

I had a Montage for about a year and got great, first hand support from Yamaha, in that forum.
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: AlBags on February 05, 2018, 08:59:04 AM
The situation would maybe be different if this forum was only for Genos.
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: StuartR on February 05, 2018, 09:15:02 AM
The situation would maybe be different if this forum was only for Genos.

Nah. The Yamaha synth forums cover several of their synths.
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: soryt on February 05, 2018, 08:47:56 PM
Because the Synthesizer department is in America, and the Yamaha Synth department (US) does not take the arranger keyboards customers seriously.
Yamaha would do well to set up a separate division for arranger keyboards and its own service department. (in europe)

Soryt  :)
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: Tankdave on February 05, 2018, 09:03:58 PM
Good idea, Yamaha are calling the Genos a Workstation after all
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: Oldden on February 05, 2018, 09:24:04 PM
Hi,
It's a good idea but it might never happen. Perhaps one solution would be to have a tips only section, no moans, demos or chat, just info to help each other.
Oldden.
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: Kaarlo von Freymann on February 08, 2018, 06:26:17 AM
Just calling first level customer service isn't going to get us anywhere. I think we've all seen who you get when you call any company's customer service line.
That is exactly how it is to-day with EVERYTHING everywhere..  I hate it and often they will even refuse to tell you their name and often you cannot call the service number and get the same person on the phone to explain in case it did not help. You must start all over again from zero.  On the other hand I can very well understand the incompetence  you often find on help lines. Too many products with too many features and too quick model change.  Its like  when I was young 70 years ago you had one medical doctor and one dentist.  Now I have 6 because the one who knows about peptic ulcers know absolutely nothing about arthritis.

Kaarlo von Freymann Helsinki Finland
Title: Re: Genos Firmware Update
Post by: Joe H on February 08, 2018, 09:25:23 AM
You can, I do it all the time, just turn multipads to zero volume on your next reg.
Graham

Or use the Pad Stopper file.

Read my article on Multi Pads, (link is below in the signature) it will tell you how to do it.  Never mind the EDM focus, it works for all genre of music.  There is a download with files to demonstrate how it works.

Regards,
 Joe H