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Title: V console
Post by: John T4 on September 28, 2016, 09:55:23 AM
Anybody seen this..  Looks interesting

http://www.tyrosmagic.com/vconsole

https://youtu.be/pa26oAcFzgY


Title: Re: V console
Post by: Matrix on September 28, 2016, 11:53:13 AM
Comes with a whopping price tag, and for something that you can do on your keyboard for free.
I shall stick to the old fashioned way and do it on my keyboard.
Thanks for posting the link anyway  :)
Title: Re: V console
Post by: John T4 on September 28, 2016, 02:36:52 PM
I'm not sure you can do the splits lower keyboard on the current system or as many layers as it implies you can do but it does have a hefty price tag but that because obviously includes the tablet that runs on
Title: Re: V console
Post by: Marcus on September 28, 2016, 02:58:57 PM
Interesting, and new to me, but too expensive for the limited control or limited access to all the Tyros 5 assets. Can be useful for a twin keyboard setup with bass pedals, but for the rare occasion where I setup my backup Tyros into a twinset, I easily setup both keyboards through registration saves, plus have access to all the Tyros assets, functions, and mixing console settings.

Maybe useful for someone who owns a Tyros and another Yamaha board, and uses a twin setup all the time and want that basic organ type control over both keyboards at a time. Since my backup/gigging Tyros is kept identical to my home studio version and usually kept stored or on location, I would not benefit from such an interface/console since I am not in twinset setup 100% of the time. However, nothing really new there that you couldn't do through the Tyros 5 registration saves and OTS settings, and no mention if the user can enter/exit or control Ensemble and Organ World through this controller program. 

Regards, Marcus
Title: Re: V console
Post by: pjd on September 28, 2016, 03:05:50 PM
The price tag caught my eye immediately. It includes a Windows 10 tablet. Hmmm, that's OK if you want Windows 10 and you can use the tablet for other things. But, I doubt if many iPad users will toss away their iPad and adopt V-Console.

All of these concerns make me question their business model. Maybe it would  be better to sell the app alone and stay away from the hardware biz?

Still, I wish them all the luck in the world!

-- pj
Title: Re: V console
Post by: CalUKGR on September 28, 2016, 03:38:36 PM
The price tag caught my eye immediately. It includes a Windows 10 tablet. Hmmm, that's OK if you want Windows 10 and you can use the tablet for other things. But, I doubt if many iPad users will toss away their iPad and adopt V-Console.

All of these concerns make me question their business model. Maybe it would  be better to sell the app alone and stay away from the hardware biz?

Still, I wish them all the luck in the world!

-- pj

Precisely. On the face of it, a pretty good app that I'm sure many of us would find quite handy (always nice to see new T5 software), but by tying it into the purchase of a Windows 10 tablet they've effectively priced themselves out of most people's willingness to purchase.

How about just porting and selling the software as an app for iPad owners? I'd be more inclined to consider a purchase if that were the case.
Title: Re: V console
Post by: emasters on September 28, 2016, 04:15:59 PM
Seems like the value is in the software running on the tablet (assume using MIDI SysEx to control the Tyros).  Interesting that they choose to bundle a tablet versus just sell the software.  If it was a modest incremental cost for software only, might be of interest.  But the full-on hardware solution is expensive, considering it's an enhancement to the existing Tyros hardware interface.  IMHO... nice job with the software app -- costly bundling with the tablet.
Title: Re: V console
Post by: FredrikC on September 28, 2016, 09:05:58 PM
Precisely. On the face of it, a pretty good app that I'm sure many of us would find quite handy (always nice to see new T5 software), but by tying it into the purchase of a Windows 10 tablet they've effectively priced themselves out of most people's willingness to purchase.

How about just porting and selling the software as an app for iPad owners? I'd be more inclined to consider a purchase if that were the case.

OR, for those of us who already own Windows 10 tablets (Dell Venue Pro 11 running Windows 10 Professional on a 500 Gig SSD), why would I want to buy a second tablet?  If they sold the software alone, it would probably find many a home.  And that doesn't even require porting it to another platform.
Title: Re: V console
Post by: John T4 on January 23, 2017, 10:44:08 AM
I have just brought one of these. It is not possible to do most of the things it does from the tyros, I believe.
Also you cannot layer 8 voices on the right hand and 8 voices on the left hand, and in fact have each voice assigned its own key range if you want,
So I find it very cleaver, expensive, but cleaver

regards
Title: Re: V console
Post by: jimlaing on February 01, 2017, 11:41:56 PM
Hi - Interesting - I too wonder how they are doing this - I don't know of any way, with just the Tyros5, to make it do 8 splits, or make it layer 8 sounds under a single note played.

I'll look forward to a review of the unit, and its ease of use, etc.  I'd think one would need lots of polyphony to make it work well if you did a lot of layer with right hand, left hand AND pedal, plus had a "dense" style playing.  I know I run out of voices with my own registrations when I use some styles that are very "dense" or "rich" with sounds, plus my using R1, R2, R3 all with sounds that may use more than one internal 'voice' per sound. 

Looking forward to some reviews of this unit!
-Jim
Title: Re: V console
Post by: EileenL on February 01, 2017, 11:58:23 PM
Take a Look

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa26oAcFzgY
Title: Re: V console
Post by: voodoo on February 02, 2017, 01:54:16 PM
Hi - Interesting - I too wonder how they are doing this - I don't know of any way, with just the Tyros5, to make it do 8 splits, or make it layer 8 sounds under a single note played.

I guess it's just a matter if MIDI routing. There are 16 channels free for song playback, in addition to keyboard and style play, so they can be used from any external source.
Title: Re: V console
Post by: jimlaing on February 02, 2017, 03:22:35 PM
Hmm, so it must be that a note played is relayed through the app, then back to the Tyros, to make it all work?
-Jim
Title: Re: V console
Post by: voodoo on February 02, 2017, 03:25:12 PM
Hmm, so it must be that a note played is relayed through the app, then back to the Tyros, to make it all work?
-Jim

Yes, exactly.
Title: Re: V console
Post by: jimlaing on February 10, 2017, 06:06:49 PM
To John T4:

Any chance you'll write up a review of this unit? 
Ease of use, the kinds of features you found you liked/used the most, etc.?

Thanks!
Jim
Title: Re: V console
Post by: Keynote31 on February 11, 2017, 01:55:36 PM
Shame about the hefty price tag, I would love one but my budget as a retiree would not cover it, but as I already have a laptop and an iPad, and certainly don't want yet another peice of hardware I would serriously consider buying the app if it was realisticly priced.....Hopefully,maybe someone will write a similar program in the future??
Title: Re: V console
Post by: overover on February 15, 2017, 05:35:51 AM
Seems the website is down now....

Please use one of these links: :)

---> http://www.tyrosmagic.com

---> http://www.tyrosmagic.com/v-console


Regards,
Chris
Title: Re: V console
Post by: Keynote31 on February 16, 2017, 02:46:52 PM
Sound like my prayers are answered, I shall be looking at that right away.
Many thanks
Eric
Title: Re: V console
Post by: FredrikC on February 17, 2017, 01:49:41 PM
Anyone shelved the £700 for the software...

For half that money you get Varranger, which can do so much more then adding only 4 more voices...

Varranger with a Tyros 5?  I thought about Varranger with my Kronos before I bought the Tyros, and the additional capabilities are obvious.  What would the additional capabilities be with a Tyros, which already has an arranger built in, etc.
Title: Re: V console
Post by: Chalky on February 18, 2017, 12:41:48 AM
Hi all,
I purchased a V-Console several weeks ago and I am so pleased I did. I know it is a bit costly but decided to spend a bit of the kids inheritance!! I am from an organ background and so miss having an up-to-date organ with the new and brilliant voices; I bought a Yamaha EL900 a year or two ago to get back to playing an organ and although a very good instrument I was finding it difficult to get back into setting up registrations for my musical tastes. Quite a few years ago I bought the Orla Traditional unit to use with my then Tyros 4 - with some MIDI tweeking I was able to set up some reasonable organ-type settings. However, the V-Console has bought the organ back to me with the full range of the Tyros 5 Voices and the ability for a number of splits on all keyboards. Not only can you set up registrations with eight voices to allocate to Upper, Lower and Pedal but you can combine this with your existing registrations to combine an additional 4 voices. Now I am sure that some of you are able to do this already but, for me I am not that clever -an age thing methinks!!

I am not too sure this would be a good buy for someone using a Tyros without additional keyboard/pedalboard but for those using an additional lower keyboard and pedals it is brilliant.

I have to admit that it hasn't been easy setting it all up and getting it to work as I would like but, John Beasley, who developed it, has been so helpful and is a delight to talk to - customer service at its best - that I am now in control of it, if you know what I mean.

If you have a Tyros 5 with lower keyboard and Bass Pedals then this unit is brilliant.

I would be delighted to hear from other forum members who are using the V-Console to swap ideas etc..

Best regards

Chalky
Title: Re: V console
Post by: Spirit of the old South on February 18, 2017, 12:06:09 PM
allmost 1000 euro?

and all it gives is an easy access to sounds and features you allready own?
No new sounds
No sounds improvements
Just easy access at 1000 euro's

and it requires a windows 10 tablet with touchscreen on top of that, making it 2000 euro's for adding nothing new at all.

Title: Re: V console
Post by: terryB on February 18, 2017, 04:51:52 PM
Hey Spirit of the old South that wrong
The £700 Vconsole  includes the tablet.
I saw a demo at a Yamaha weekend do back in October and its a great tool for a multi keyboard set up.

Cheers
Terry



Title: Re: V console
Post by: jimlaing on February 19, 2017, 03:35:16 PM
To those that purchased it ... a couple of questions:

1) How long does the battery last, to run this app on the Tablet, connected to a Tyros, on batteries only?

2) Can you still use your Tyros Right1, Right2, and Right3 as you did before, or does the app require (for example) that Right1 always be "on" for the app to work?

Thanks!
Jim
Title: Re: V console
Post by: Chalky on March 08, 2017, 09:59:20 PM
Hi Jim,
In answer to your questions:
1. I don't know as I always have it plugged into mains
2. You don't need any voice select buttons switched on to operate V-Console which gives you 8 voices to play with and these can be allocated to any areas of the keyboards you like. But if you do want an additional 4 voice parts you can indeed add them to the mix as well. Thus you can have 12 voice parts in total - even this is a bit over the top for me but it is possible. V-Console has its own voice map which can be added to if say you have loaded additional voices to you Tyros.

There is a bypass mode if you wish to stick with some of your previous registrations - nothing is lost. John Beesley is putting together some tutorial videos to give advice on integrating the V-Console with your existing registrations.

Hope this helps.

Regards
Chalky
Title: Re: V console
Post by: jimlaing on May 30, 2017, 08:37:50 PM
I'm curious if anyone else has bought one of these, and about their thoughts?  I'm thinking about it for my Tyros5 ... I don't have pedals but could use it for additional L and R sounds.  And I suppose I could add another small MIDI keyboard, set to the MIDI channel assigned for "Pedals", to have another keyboard attached to the Tyros?

I like the idea (as shown on the video about V-Console) about using Velocity to bring in a sound, almost like having 2nd Touch like on a theatre organ ??

Curious to hear about people's experience with the V-Console ...

Thanks!
Jim
Title: Re: V console
Post by: EileenL on May 31, 2017, 03:38:36 PM
A couple of people I know had this but also had a lot of trouble with it. One sent his back as even with Johns help did not work out for him. I suppose like most things you have to try it yourself.
Title: Re: V console
Post by: loendersloot on June 03, 2017, 01:23:01 PM
V console now also available as software only version.

http://www.tyrosmagic.com/v-console

Makes it maybe more interesting.
Title: Re: V console
Post by: jimlaing on June 20, 2017, 07:03:33 PM
Well, I took the "plunge" and bought a V-Console.  It just arrived today, so I literally have not tried it yet.  I'm sure I'll be doing a lot of experimentation with it, and likely I'll start to create my own V-Console registrations ... I'm not even sure how I'm going to approach it at first ... will have to try the Registrations that come with it ("Showcase") and get some ideas, then learn how to set my own up.

It should be fun - I'm looking forward to being able to easily/quickly add additional layers to sounds, such as the ability to quickly add a "Glockenspiel" or Xylophone or Marimba on top of an existing registration, to add variety on a 2nd or 3rd verse of a song.  Or being able to layer in some light, "8va" strings to an orchestral sound I may already have.  And to having a more "organ-like" experience when I play theatre-organ style or Classical-organ music.

I'm also looking forward to being able to have a left-hand sound to play when I have "Ensemble" voices going (Tyros5 Ensemble voices "steal" all 4 parts: L, R1, R2, R3) since I like having a sound on Left so I can add my own nuances with my left hand as I play.  Playing with Ensembles, while using Styles, felt 'weird' to me since my Left hand sound was "nothing" (no sound).

Anyway, it'll be interesting to (eventually) share ideas and such with other V-Console owners ...
Jim
Title: Re: V console
Post by: Marcus on June 21, 2017, 09:01:34 PM
Well, I took the "plunge" and bought a V-Console.  It just arrived today, so I literally have not tried it yet.  I'm sure I'll be doing a lot of experimentation with it, and likely I'll start to create my own V-Console registrations ... I'm not even sure how I'm going to approach it at first ... will have to try the Registrations that come with it ("Showcase") and get some ideas, then learn how to set my own up.

It should be fun - I'm looking forward to being able to easily/quickly add additional layers to sounds, such as the ability to quickly add a "Glockenspiel" or Xylophone or Marimba on top of an existing registration, to add variety on a 2nd or 3rd verse of a song.  Or being able to layer in some light, "8va" strings to an orchestral sound I may already have.  And to having a more "organ-like" experience when I play theatre-organ style or Classical-organ music.

I'm also looking forward to being able to have a left-hand sound to play when I have "Ensemble" voices going (Tyros5 Ensemble voices "steal" all 4 parts: L, R1, R2, R3) since I like having a sound on Left so I can add my own nuances with my left hand as I play.  Playing with Ensembles, while using Styles, felt 'weird' to me since my Left hand sound was "nothing" (no sound).

Anyway, it'll be interesting to (eventually) share ideas and such with other V-Console owners ...
Jim
Hi Jim
Definitely give us any feedback into your findings. For complex voice registrations and splits, V console could come in handy. I do find it interesting because I do use a twinset setup with midi pedals.

When I use "Ensemble", I use AI Full Keyboard fingering when playing along to a style. Any four notes on the keyboard (LH-RH) can control the style chording, plus a fifth ensemble voice automatically assigned to the midi bass pedals. In your case, you can edit and save your Ensemble voices with the option of Key Assign Type - 4 Voice Incremental2-from lowest. In other words, your lowest played note (LH) takes precedence over all your played notes, so that your LH playing is always active while playing along with styles while in Ensemble mode.

I typically will setup an edited Ensemble registration sound bank (or style OTS Ensemble voice saves) with the Ensemble Key Assign Type - 4 Voice Incremental2-from highest. Part 4 corresponds to the RH-3 voice. So a 4 part String Ensemble edit might have a Cello assigned to Part 4. So playing from highest to lowest note, my forth played note is the Cello voice, yet I can get automatically get a nice bass cello played by my midi bass pedals. While in Organ World, the assigned RH-3 organ voice automatically get translated to my midi bass pedals.

Everything in my Tyros 5 twinset, works out fine through registrations and OTS style saves. I think I can wait till the next Tyros/Genos model to see what Yamaha comes up with before perhaps considering the V-Console for myself.

Marcus 
Title: Re: V console
Post by: voodoo on June 29, 2017, 12:12:34 PM
and all it gives is an easy access to sounds and features you allready own?
No new sounds
No sounds improvements
Just easy access at 1000 euro's

No, it does not give new sounds.

But it extends the number of parts (left, right1, right2, right3) from four to eight. So with V Concole you can split and layer up to eight sounds. This is a real new function. And by this, it can bring improvements to sounds.

Will I spent 1000€ for this? I don't think so. But it is a real clever idea for those who can use it.
Title: Re: V console
Post by: jimlaing on June 29, 2017, 12:29:34 PM
It actually does that, but a lot more.  First, it *adds* 8 sounds, so you can have (if you wanted), L, R1, R2, R3 plus 8 more.  I don't tend to use all 8 at once; I will add in 1 or 2 or 3 etc., and I can vary quickly as I go throughout a song.  Also, you can split and layer any way you want.  You can also set it so that a sound only comes in if you play with Velocity over 100 (for example) - great for "horn stabs").  You can freely modify/edit each of the 8 voices.

Then you can have 8 Registrations (on the V-Console) accessible immediately, with any combination of the 8 sounds - on your "upper" (right) and "lower" (left), and if you have an extra keyboard or MIDI pedalboard, you can assign sounds to that too.  There are 16 banks of those 8 Registrations, for 128 total.  (then you can load another file for another 128 etc. if you wanted to).  For each of the 8 sounds, you can freely modify many things, such as overall Volume, split/layer, amount of Reverb/Chorus, amount of DSP, velocity response, EQ, filter, Attack, Release, etc. etc.

For me, I have some V-Console "registrations" on which no sounds are "on" yet; I add them as I want, on top of my existing Tyros registrations for a given song, as I play the song.  Such as adding in a layer of "8va strings" or layering in a Glockenspiel for a chorus, then later layering Soft Horns to make my left-hands chords sound a bit fuller/different. 

So, it adds the ability to layer and split 8 additional sounds, which you can quickly choose from (on or off) like you would on a pipe organ.  I've only had it a couple of weeks, but one way I use it is to have various Registrations with whatever 8 sounds I want to add/layer ... on top of the Tyros Registrations that I already have and use.

So far, I have just created V-Console registrations for things like when I play a Classical piece, with 'appropriate' sounds to add and layer in.  Another Reg. for jazz/standards, with various sounds I may want to add in.  Another is for film score type music, another Reg. that I set up is for "Show tunes".  Each has completely different sounds and settings, that I 'design' as ones that will work with songs of that genre.  Another for ballads, another for pipe organ so I can add in various layers as I play a song.  I have only had it a couple of weeks, so that's all I've created so far (wish I were retired and had more time!!)

-Jim
Title: Re: V console
Post by: voodoo on June 29, 2017, 03:36:48 PM
Jim,

thank you for this interesting report. As I said, I find this idea very clever, to have an additional set of 8 sounds at hand, and this only works by clever midi routing to the channels of the Tyros, that would normally play midi files. And your explanations show, that the possibilities are really great.

Uli
Title: Re: V console
Post by: Roger Brenizer on June 29, 2017, 08:25:28 PM
Hi Jim,

I've followed this topic since it was first posted, but have never commented.  Thank you so much for this interesting report and your personal discoveries about the V-Console.  This goes to prove that new concepts and software are invaluable in the hands of a skilled technician and musician.

I'm certain you will discover more as time ensues.  Please keep our community informed, as to your findings, with the passage of time.  :) :) :)
Title: Re: V console
Post by: jimlaing on June 29, 2017, 09:05:56 PM
Here is a photo of my Tyros5 with the V-Console attached.  I don't have the V-Console yet placed into a permanent place; just propped it up on the music rack for now (where I usually put my iPad for reading music).  I'll eventually find a way to mount it to my rack in some way (although i'm running out of 'real-estate' since I have several gadgets already attached to my Tyros, as you see in the photo!)

-Jim

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Title: Re: V console
Post by: Rondonc on June 29, 2017, 09:36:56 PM
I am seriously considering purchasing the software as I already have an iPad.
I have always longed for a third right hand voice on my CVP605 if available, so this would solve the problem and some. Has anyone else used it in conjunction with a Clavi?
Cheers
Ron
Title: Re: V console
Post by: terryB on June 30, 2017, 08:27:19 AM
Ron Before you purchase the software, check you can use it with Ipad. I think you can use it with windows 10 devices only.

Cheers Terry
Title: Re: V console
Post by: Rondonc on June 30, 2017, 12:21:36 PM
Thank you Terry, you are so right. I would need to purchase a tablet running W10, which dampens my enthusiasm slightly.
Has anybody any further suggestions regarding adding an extra right hand voice to the Clavinova, other than multitrack.
Ron
Title: Re: V console
Post by: terryB on June 30, 2017, 01:25:23 PM
Jim
When I saw the V console demo back in Oct at a Yamaha weekend, the demonstrator had it fixed to a tablet holder on a floor mounted stand to the side of the keyboard, which kept the music stand clear.

Cheers
Terry
Title: Re: V console
Post by: jimlaing on June 30, 2017, 01:52:49 PM
Responding to a few notes:

Yes, it is a Windows program.  I am mainly a Mac and iPad user, so I bought his "complete kit" with a nice compact Windows tablet. 

And yes, I plan to clear off my music stand once I figure out exactly how and where I'll mount the V-Console more permanently.  Well, semi-permanently, as I'll need to be able to take it on gigs as well as use it on my home setup ...

Jim
Title: Re: V console
Post by: keyplayer on September 03, 2017, 05:57:13 PM
message for jim (or anybody else here with a V console)
Hope you are enjoying your V console. I am thinking of investing in one and wondered if you would please share your thoughts on it now you have had it a few months?
I have a T5 TRX set up so I think I would be able to make full use of it, especially for the lower keyboard splits and also a better choice of pedal voices. I would be especially interested to know if the pedal voices play with reverb and can you adjust the depth?
I feel it might also be beneficial to upgrade to a 76 note T5 to make better use of the multiple splits?

Thanks
Pam
Title: Re: V console
Post by: jimlaing on September 04, 2017, 11:12:48 PM
Hi - to answer a few of the questions ... the voices are just the voices already in your Tyros.  I know that he sells additional Registrations and some may have other voices.  But I use V-Console using all my voices (sounds) built-in to my tyros.  You can definitely adjust the Reverb (and just about anything you'd want to adjust) on voices that you set up for use with the V-Console.

Overall, I'm very happy with it - I wish I had even more time to work with it (have a busy life and don't get to it as much as I'd like to!)  It allows a LOT more control and variation in voice selection and layering etc.  I have done quite a but of my own V-Console editing and creating of Registrations to suite my needs, and overall it works really well.

One thing I did notice (and this is a Tyros thing, not a fault of the V-Console), is that if you are using a Style that is "thick" with a lot going on, plus a lot of layers on the keyboard, plus a lot of layers via V-Console, and you play full chords, you will run into the Tyros's "Polyphony" limit at times.  When you have all this going on, it's asking the Tyros to play a LOT of voices simultaneously!  The 128 limit is on the Tyros..

Jim
Title: Re: V console
Post by: keyplayer on September 08, 2017, 03:46:31 PM
Hi Jim, thanks for your reply and comments, it seems a good buy and suitable addition to a set up. Good tip about the polyphony, I tend to not use too much of the accompaniments in a style so hopefully wouldn't come up against that. I'm hoping to hear and see one in action next month at the Yamaha Club weekend near Daventry, better take my credit card I think!
Pam
Title: Re: V console
Post by: jwyvern on September 08, 2017, 07:42:10 PM
Before laying out the cash it might be a good idea to check likely compatibility/support with keyboards beyond Tyros 5 if there is a chance you could be tempted to upgrade  ;).
 Also for me it's not certain at present whether the v console would so much of a worthwhile enhancement to say the "Genos"  IF the latter comes with built in features which take care of some of the voice channelling limitations on Tyros (where the VC scores).

John
Title: Re: V console
Post by: keyplayer on September 09, 2017, 01:03:04 PM
Good point John, perhaps we will know what's new before end of October - although at the moment I'm happy with the T5, but think I might upgrade to 76 keys to make better use of the split points on the upper. I would also like multiple voices and splits for the lower keyboard and being able to access all voices for the bass pesdal + a bit of reverb. 
Thanks for your reply.
pam
Title: Re: V console
Post by: jimlaing on September 12, 2017, 06:28:07 PM
In discussions with the creator of the V-Console, it seemed that he plans/wants to support the Genos (eventually) as well.  I can't speak for him, but that was my impression.  I'm guessing that the concept of the V-Console would apply to a new Yamaha arranger, just as it does to the already-supported PSR-S keyboard model(s), the Tyros models, and CVP models, that now support the V-Console.

If the Genos has "upped" the polyphony limit compared to Tyros, this will make V-Console even better for use on the Genos!  (I hope)!

-Jim
Title: Re: V console
Post by: keyplayer on September 13, 2017, 12:23:56 PM
Hi all, am appreciating all these comments, hopefully will now what's new soon. Pam
Title: Re: V console
Post by: Bachus on October 06, 2017, 09:02:02 PM
If upgraded for the Genos, this could be the tool to lift the genos to an even higher level..
Espescially now that there is an oprion to buy just the sofware..

I am wondering if the creator of this software plans to expand it even further
If you could next to tyros voice could also select vst sounds
That would mean creating a vst host for the software
But that would open up a whole world of even more possibilities

Imagine playing pianoteq piano’s and hauptwerk virtual pipe organs on a twin Genos..

If this program works, i might create a new setup of a kawai vpc1 under yhe Genos, and use this program to share the sounds of the genos for both the Genos and the kawai piano..


But if you ever wanted acces to vst sounds in your Genos\tyros, V-console might be a perfect tool to access them. The question is, will the programmer invest more time in V-console

Other things they could add..
- an option to display the lyrics of music sheets of the genos/tyros on a big screen
- a pdf sheetmusic reader
And more..

I am quite impressed with what is allready there..
But expandingbthis program could make it a must have for every Genos owner.
Title: Re: V console
Post by: Marty on October 09, 2017, 02:45:37 PM
If you use an iPad similarities to vconsole can be achieved with the IOS midi app 'midiflow'.

https://www.midiflow.com/

Midiflow midi keyboard data can be manipulated in a number of different ways and then sent back to the keyboard. This allows using the 'song' midi channels for layering voices with left, R1,R2 voices. Additional keyboard zones  can also be achieved by filtering note midi data received from the keyboard. iOS core midi apps can also be used in parallel to provide additional voices such as Arturia's iSEM synth. It won't cost you a fortune either!

Marty
Title: Re: V console
Post by: Bachus on October 09, 2017, 08:21:33 PM
If you use an iPad similarities to vconsole can be achieved with the IOS midi app 'midiflow'.

https://www.midiflow.com/

Midiflow midi keyboard data can be manipulated in a number of different ways and then sent back to the keyboard. This allows using the 'song' midi channels for layering voices with left, R1,R2 voices. Additional keyboard zones  can also be achieved by filtering note midi data received from the keyboard. iOS core midi apps can also be used in parallel to provide additional voices such as Arturia's iSEM synth. It won't cost you a fortune either!

Marty

Definately..

Yes you could just use audiobus 3 which could archive the same midi routing..



But you would miss out on the strong points of the V-console
The dedicted interface and full integration with tyros/genos

And its this interface and integration that makes the V-console special
Title: Re: V console
Post by: jimlaing on October 09, 2017, 09:06:56 PM
Yes, the V-Console is very powerful; it gives you A LOT of control over the sounds you use, including fairly deep editing of many parameters.  It also supports key ranges (splits), velocity mapping, octave coupling, and the ability to make Registrations of all of this, for up to 8 additional Parts.  And it integrates (if you want) with Registrations on Tyros, so that Tyros can make V-Console change its registrations "on command", or you can have V-Console change Registrations on Tyros if you want (as you change the Registrations you have on V-Console).  And the interface seems very easy to use, esp. given how many things you can do / modify /specify with V-Console.

I'd say, from using it, that a LOT of thought and work went into it, I can see where it has to cost a good amount, for all the programming efforts and interface work etc. that went into it.  I feel that I've only "scratched the surface" of what V-Console can do.

It should be even better with Genos, since Genos has dedicated DSPs for all the "Song" voices, which is what V-Console uses.  And (maybe) more polyphony.

Jim
Title: Re: V console
Post by: Spirit of the old South on October 11, 2017, 05:36:48 AM
Yes, the V-Console is very powerful; it gives you A LOT of control over the sounds you use, including fairly deep editing of many parameters.  It also supports key ranges (splits), velocity mapping, octave coupling, and the ability to make Registrations of all of this, for up to 8 additional Parts.  And it integrates (if you want) with Registrations on Tyros, so that Tyros can make V-Console change its registrations "on command", or you can have V-Console change Registrations on Tyros if you want (as you change the Registrations you have on V-Console).  And the interface seems very easy to use, esp. given how many things you can do / modify /specify with V-Console.

I'd say, from using it, that a LOT of thought and work went into it, I can see where it has to cost a good amount, for all the programming efforts and interface work etc. that went into it.  I feel that I've only "scratched the surface" of what V-Console can do.

It should be even better with Genos, since Genos has dedicated DSPs for all the "Song" voices, which is what V-Console uses.  And (maybe) more polyphony.

Jim

Yes, if i choose the Genos, V-console will definitely be part of my new setup.
Its good to see that we finally can buy the software without the hardware
It should just run fine on my Microsoft tablet.

So when i use the V-console, i can not play midi songs?
(i can live with that)

Also wondering if i can set up in a way that upper plays what the R1 and R2 play. Lower plays what left plays
and Bass plays what i play on the R3 (which i often use as the top voice to the far left of my keyboard trough 2nd split.
Title: Re: V console
Post by: jazz.preest on October 15, 2017, 06:12:53 AM
Take a Look

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa26oAcFzgY

I like TyrosMagic's Registration Bank offerings as inspiration to learn a new genre - here's a recent October, 2017 John Beesley Broadway-focused upload:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYSfIXC7OXo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYSfIXC7OXo)

Hmmm - this is a year's practice!
Title: Re: V console
Post by: Jeff Hollande on October 15, 2017, 06:38:17 AM
Thank you so much, Jim for your very interesting feedback.
It is always very useful and funny for me to learn something.


Jeff
Title: Re: V console
Post by: keyplayer on November 02, 2017, 08:28:28 PM
Well, I met John Beesley last weekend, what a very helpful and clever man he is. I had a one to one demonstration of V-Console and bought one on the spot. It looks incredible with what it can do and comes with all neccesary cables and connections plus very comprehensive instructions. So far I've connected everything up, set up the MIDI and have been using it with the supplied registrations. I was concerned at first that I wouln't be able to play with the regs I've created over the last 2 years but everything is still working perfectly despite the original TRX MIDI platform having been deleted during set up. I can see just how useful it's going to be with my system when I have time to link it to my own regs. Just being able to split the lower keyboard and use more sounds on the bass pedals is a bonus.
 
John says it works OK with Genos but he is also working on upgrading it to be completely compatable with the extra reg 2 buttons etc. In the meantime I've got enough to keep me quiet for hours whilst I save up for my Genos.   

If anybody else is considering one as I have been for about a year, I would say go for it, it is straightforward to connect up, easy to set up and logical to use.
Pam
Title: Re: V console
Post by: Roger Brenizer on November 02, 2017, 09:33:57 PM
Thank you for the report, Pam.  What a wonderful experience that must have been for you to meet John.  :)
Title: Re: V console
Post by: Mike W on November 03, 2017, 12:48:26 AM
Pam, thanks for that update.  I've purchased other software from John B and have been very impressed.  I'm glad to hear he is working on upgrading V console for Genos.  With the extra polyphony of Genos it will be very powerful.

Keep saving up for Genos- IMO it is worth every penny for the upgrade, though T5 is an incredible arranger too!
Title: Re: V console
Post by: Spirit of the old South on December 07, 2017, 05:42:32 AM
Well, I met John Beesley last weekend, what a very helpful and clever man he is. I had a one to one demonstration of V-Console and bought one on the spot. It looks incredible with what it can do and comes with all neccesary cables and connections plus very comprehensive instructions. So far I've connected everything up, set up the MIDI and have been using it with the supplied registrations. I was concerned at first that I wouln't be able to play with the regs I've created over the last 2 years but everything is still working perfectly despite the original TRX MIDI platform having been deleted during set up. I can see just how useful it's going to be with my system when I have time to link it to my own regs. Just being able to split the lower keyboard and use more sounds on the bass pedals is a bonus.
 
John says it works OK with Genos but he is also working on upgrading it to be completely compatable with the extra reg 2 buttons etc. In the meantime I've got enough to keep me quiet for hours whilst I save up for my Genos.   

If anybody else is considering one as I have been for about a year, I would say go for it, it is straightforward to connect up, easy to set up and logical to use.
Pam

Thank you Pam..

I plan to buy this after i have my Genos (which i am still saving up for)
And using my Roland FP90 as the lower keyboard. No pedals.

Maybe i am a just as excited for this new tool as for the Genos itselves.
It should add a whole new level of integration between the 2 keyboards.
Title: Re: V console
Post by: Togge on December 16, 2017, 05:07:10 PM
Seems to be great and very cheap considering the added functionallity.
To bad it doesn't seem to be versions for the PSR-series also.
Title: Re: V console
Post by: Bobjmanchester on July 16, 2018, 12:19:28 PM
Hi, I’m a complete newbie to the forum so I hope you’ll be gentle!
I’m a little over 70 years young and I come from a background of playing and (once) building Wersi organs.
I love the Tyros 5 and if it works well the V Console could be just what I want.
No movement on this for so long though.
Any updates from users?
Please?!

Regards Bob.

Title: Re: V console
Post by: keyplayer on July 25, 2018, 06:50:06 PM
Hi Bob (and others interested in V-Console),
I've just seen your post and it has prompted me to give an update of my experience with this fantastic piece of add-on equipment/programme to my T5 TRX set up.
I find it has opened up a whole new world of ease of creativity to my playing in terms of being able to utilise, to my advantage, all the voices from the T5 which are loaded into the console when you buy it. All voices have editing facilities like the T5 and edits can be saved within the console's voice map. I also imported my own edited voices from the T5.
I can now set up 8 additional voices of my choice to use on any of my 2 keyboards or bass pedals - on all 3 at once if I want! I can split these 8 voices to sound within any area of keys/pedals, at whatever octave I choose and can easily be turned on or off whilst playing.  The only restriction is polyphony but it's not been a big problem for me.
The 8 voices combination settings can be saved to a registration memory on the console, there are 8 memory buttons on each bank and I can create as many banks as I want.
R1,2,3 and left voices on the keyboard can still be used, including the R3 split if I want, and stored in the registration buttons and banks of the keyboard as normal.
Registration buttons from both keyboard and console can be used in conjunction with each other. However, if I want to set up a 'link' for a registration button on the keyboard to automatically select a registration button on the console (or visa versa) the operation works through the left voice of the keyboard and so that sound is then automatically set to 0 so no sound from that - not a problem because I have voices to use from the console to assign to left (or lower).
I will admit that after a couple of weeks I was beginning to find it all a bit frustrating because I had to keep consulting the instruction book (very comprehensive) and found that I needed to write down a few notes of my own because I couldn't remember how to do various things I had done just a few days previously, there was so much I was discovering that I wanted to do with it! I also had to get used to using a touch screen tablet and stop getting confused that my T5 screen is not touch sensitive and also whether I should be pressing save on the keyboard or the tablet!!
With hindsight (hmm) I wish I had spent more time trying out all the features of the V-Console instead of being very specific about how I thought I wanted to use it, but 9 months down the line and that is all in the past. I have discovered the dos and don'ts, made my mistakes (oops that still happens sometimes!), emailed John Beesley a couple of times to put me straight (very helpful) and I now very much enjoy the versatility with voices that it gives me.

Downside? Yep, lots of cables and connections especially as I have 2 keyboards and pedals connected through MIDI too, but it doesn't put me off! I can hide them if I ever get round to it.

Bob, I obviously don't use the V-Console with just the T5 by itself so perhaps somebody else can add that experience to this post. Basically all I can say is that things will work the same as usual but you can add extra voices wherever you want and it will open up a whole new world for you. If you are used to working with the T5 operating system and can follow and understand the instructions and explanations it shouldn't take long to get used to the console too. I find it easy to use now I've explored many options (probably more for me to realise yet!!) and an interesting and enjoyable challenge - I've learned a lot along the way.

I too would be interested in hearing other users views, good or not so good, perhaps we can help each other to realise more of the potential of this 'add on'. What I've written above is quite general in some ways, I'm happy to elaborate if anybody is more interested.

John Beesley has also completed the update compatible with Genos. I have a friend with this combination and it sounds fantastic.

Pam
Title: Re: V console
Post by: Bobjmanchester on August 29, 2018, 06:01:11 PM

Hi Pam.
Well thanks very much for that very comprehensive and positive reply.
I’m very glad to hear you are enjoying the V Console.
I agree it would be very interesting to hear from some other users.
Looks like I’ll be robbing the piggy bank again!

Bob.
Title: Re: V console
Post by: jwyvern on September 18, 2018, 02:02:23 PM
Hi Pam,
You clearly endorse the benefits of V-Console for your extra manual and pedal setups.
I have for some time been intrigued with the idea of being able to use extra voice parts for live playing, but since I don't use the full organ setup, just straight keyboard for a range of ensembles, my needs are (l think) more modest. So I set about seeing what was practical using the midi channels on the keyboard (now Genos).
Although strictly speaking it is not direct experience with VC, here is a Iink to a post giving my experience of using extra voices, so far.

http://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,46654.msg366985.html#msg366985

John
Title: Re: V console
Post by: MIKEP on September 21, 2018, 02:49:39 PM
Hi John
I am quite fascinated by your experimentation using the song channels to provide additional voices. I have a Genos with a Hammond pedal board operated through midi and utilising a song channel. Can you give us interested readers a simple step by step guide on how to achieve the extra voices please?
Thank you.
Mike
Title: Re: V console
Post by: keyplayer on September 21, 2018, 08:26:14 PM
Hi John, that all sounds quite complicated to me, not being too much of a technical person especially when it comes to MIDI. I'm sure it must be OK when you understand it! Is there a problem with polyphony do you think if the sounds are getting lost? The thing about the V-console is that you can see it all on the tablet screen so voices can easily be turned on/off onto any area of the keyboard(s) whilst you're playing and you can still have the keyboard screen open to whichever page you want. The V-console voices can be used either in addition with any registration bank on the keyboard (which I think helps with being able to be more flexible and varied with more voices when I want to just 'sit and play') or linked to a specific bank on the keyboard for more creativity, and also means that the left sound doesn't have to be tied up with the style.
Can you explain in simpler terms how yours works, it sounds interesting to be sure but I'm a bit confused.
Pam
Title: Re: V console
Post by: jwyvern on September 23, 2018, 10:20:05 PM
Hi Pam and Mike,
The principle is quite simple:
 whenever you play say the 4 panel voices each part sends midi data (representing the notes you played, the voices chosen and general settings) to the midi out port via channels 1 to 4. Two extra channels called Upper and Lower are also available so there are 6 in total (that I use at present) .
Note: You can see these channels listed if you look at the default (All Parts) midi template and go to Transmit or Touch Transmit on Genos.
Normally the data generated is unused as it's not needed for normal playing, but if it is fed back to the KB  by having a midi cable connected from midi out to midi in (port 1) it will play extra voices via the midi song 1 to 6 channels. You can connect a cable any time and will hear default pianos playing along with the panel  voices.
That's the simple bit. The time consuming bits are:

1. Making it all work together reliably and in a user friendly way. End up storing voice setups in song channels and saving as "Songs".
2. Building setups using extra voices which really make a difference and are not just a more complicated rehash of what can be achieved through "normal" registrations. Having said that, richer and more dynamic sounds are definitely possible and a motivation for more adventurous playing.

Pam, I have not noticed serious Polyphony issues on Genos even with some exaggerated chording (I believe there is more Polyphony than on Tyros).
I started this because I wanted to experiment with using more voices for live playing (with a single KB, no pedals, no large expenditure before trying it) rather than combining that  with an alternative way of storing and calling up voices etc during playing. My method is not as flexible for flicking through voices  as v-console would provide, but for sit and play I am used to flicking through registrations instead to make changes and that continues to be possible since the extra voices are called up and loaded by them as "Songs". (Without that I think the idea would have been too cumbersome for routine use) .

I need a bit more time to spell out the detail for 1, but if there is still interest for a do it yourself procedure, will come back later.  :)

John
Title: Re: V console
Post by: MIKEP on September 24, 2018, 01:21:39 PM
Thank you John for your reply. I will explore what you have said and any further "how to" would be welcome.
Mike
Title: Re: V console
Post by: keyplayer on September 24, 2018, 08:56:23 PM
Hi John, thanks for that explanation, I had a bit of a 'light bulb' moment after I read it through a couple of times, I think can see what you are doing. And I've remembered that the V-Console 'speaks' to the keyboard through 8 MIDI channels 
for the 8 different voices available at any one time so both concepts are similar (at least that's how it appears to me). An issue I've always had with the Tyros is the left voice being 'tied' to the style in certain settings so using voices through the MIDI channels gets round that by replacing the left voice with a 'midi' one, two or more.  I admire your thinking and efforts in making it work for you and although I don't need to put it all into practice I will be interested to hear how it all goes.
Pam
Title: Re: V console
Post by: jwyvern on September 25, 2018, 09:15:54 PM

Thanks Pam and
Hi All,
I decided to start a new thread for the procedural detail that Mike is asking for. It is here:

http://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,46810.msg367714.html#msg367714   

Regards John
Title: Re: V console
Post by: Bobjmanchester on November 19, 2018, 10:06:42 PM
Well I've finally done and ordered V Console  :)
Really looking forward to getting started.
Hoping to make a start tomorrow or Wednesday.
If anyone has any further tips I would love to hear from you.
Starting with just my Tyros 5 76 hopefully will add a second keyboard soon followed, possibly, by a pedal board (I've been a long time Wersi organ enthusiast).
Wish me luck, I will let you know how I get on.

Regards Bob.
Title: Re: V console
Post by: keyplayer on November 21, 2018, 02:44:04 PM
good luck Bob, after you have played around with it for a while you will discover many different ways you want to use it, it's especially flexible with a 2 keyboard and bass pedals set up. I found I needed to refer to the user manual quite a bit for the finer points to start with and eventually wrote a few shorter notes of my own so I didn't have to keep finding what I wanted amongst the many comprehensive instructions.
If you like it it will open up a whole new level to your playing.
Pam
Title: Re: V console
Post by: Bobjmanchester on November 23, 2018, 08:51:51 AM
Thanks for your encouragement Pam.
I’m pleased to say I had it (software version) set up and working very quickly.
I fired off one question to John and then immediately realised I had not selected the correct midi setting for the lower section of the keyboard.
I’d like to call it a schoolboy error but I’m a bit old for that!
Good suggestion re the shorter notes.
I have already loaded a selection of my registrations.
I’m using just the tyros 5 at the moment but I do plan to add a second keyboard and a pedalboard.
One thing I have to quickly decide is how to actually support the screen on the keyboard.
Any suggestionsr would be welcome.
Bob
Title: Re: V console
Post by: bryan01 on November 25, 2018, 07:45:01 PM
Hi Bob, sorry if you've already mentioned this - have you upgraded to version 2. I've had my V-console for a while and it makes quite a difference. One of the best functions is being able to "swipe" to switch sounds on and off. So a swipe across say six of the stops would switch off the first three (if they were already on) and switch one the second three (if they were off before). It also has a better interface.
I got the upgrade as a download for £5.00 GBP from John's site. And John Beesley is a really helpful man.
The V-console is hard to explain to people but really helps to play with a bit of extra. I find it best to use a voice on right one so that I can fill the sound with harmony.
Title: Re: V console
Post by: keyplayer on November 25, 2018, 10:01:33 PM
Hi Bob, glad you've got it set up and working. I tried several different ways of having the console on or by the keyboard but I finally put the tablet in an old cover I had, the sort with a flap over the front which is secured with a strip of elastic. I fixed the cover back behind the tablet so it makes a 'stand' and then secured the elastic strip to the right leg of my music rest by a bit of velcro - kind of Heath Robinson I guess but it works brilliantly for me. The console stands within easy reach just behind the buttons on the panel to the right side of the screen so I don't need to turn my head to see it and if I need to I can easily press the buttons on the console whilst I'm playing.
A friend has made himself a holder which clamps on to the side of the keyboard stand (or keyboard, can't remember which.) I think you can buy similar things if you look on google.
Hope that helps.
Pam
Title: Re: V console
Post by: Bobjmanchester on November 27, 2018, 08:51:55 AM
Hi Bryan.
The software already came with the latest version onboard.
Yes, I agree, the ability to swipe across the keyboard is a great feature.
You can start off with a fairly minimal setting and then load it as you play.
Then you can move on to the next registration and do something similar or even reverse the process ie start with a fully loaded registration and reduce it as you end.
Sorry I’m starting to babble on like a typical newbie.
Let’s just say I have been pleased with my personal “development” in using the various features.
I am starting to get much more comfortable with it now and it’s only been a matter of days.
One thing I haven’t mastered is to quickly change the registrations using the screen.
I have now set up to use the normal registration buttons.
As I get more used to it that could easily change.
Bob.
Title: Re: V console
Post by: Bobjmanchester on November 27, 2018, 09:10:23 AM
Hi Pam.
I bought a small stand off Amazon and positioned it to the right of the Tyros with the screen at a slight upward angle and turned so that it’s pretty much at 90 deg to my eyeline.
It’s a little bit springy but now I’m happy with the location I can easily make a brace to make it more rigid.
The springiness is more noticeable at the bottom of the screen so that might be why I have not felt comfortable using it to actually change registrations.
Even so the Tyros buttons are an inch or two closer and for someone as slow as me that’s a lot!
I’m so pleased with my new “toy” I will have to send a link to a couple of pictures.  :)
Bob.
Title: Re: V console
Post by: bpsafran on December 09, 2020, 09:22:05 AM
I purchased V-console for use with my Tyros5 (single keyboard setup) and am extremely satisfied.  John Beesley has  been very helpful.  I use it to "fill out" my own registrations and user OTS for styles.   Those emphasize solo sounds and I often use V-console to add orchestral sounds (organs, strings, choir, brass) to both left and right hand.  The availability of more sounds for the left hand has to be heard to be appreciated, especially when playing without a style or with a free-play style.  The bass plays your lowest note monophonically and also adds a richness whether or not you are using a style.  Essentially, it triples the user-played voices from 4 (L, R1, R2, R3) to  4+8=12 in a way that lets the user assign the voices to right, left and bass.  John's preprogrammed registrations for V-Console are professional-grade, with some voices only coming in at the highest velocities, for emphasis.  Finally, an important tip: I assigned the assignable slider to  SONG and this then controls the overall V-Console volume.  I usually start off playing with zero volume for V-Console and add more and more volume as the arrangement proceeds.  I would like to see more registrations available from John such as world, new-age, home organ, etc.  Those could be based on his existing Tyros/Genos Magic registrations, modified for V-Console.  I strongly recommend V-Console which has tripled the sound of my Tyros5.  I believe that the newest version has a TRY feature which allows a few days of use before you have to purchase.  This copy-protected - free trial - version did not work on my Tablet, and I use an older version, but check with John about your hardware.
Title: Re: V console
Post by: bees2211 on December 09, 2020, 10:36:03 AM
I believe that the newest version has a TRY feature which allows a few days of use before you have to purchase. 

I love hearing how you are using the V-Console software to enjoy your music making. Unfortunately, there isn't a free trial version. I use copy-protection to avoid piracy which requires an unlock code. The program will work for a few days in case there is a delay in getting the code to a customer.