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Offline Fantomas

[YAMAHA PSR-E463] Lambada with default #088 Style and OTS Voice
« on: November 10, 2018, 02:27:14 PM »
Hi !

https://youtu.be/feaq4P-S04g

Using embedded #088 Style from Yamaha PSR-E463 : fits perfectly this song !
OTS Voice programmed by Yamaha is also perfect for this song.

All seems to be made for playing Lambada without tuning anything else ;)
Chris
Yamaha PSR-E463
 

Offline 2112

Re: [YAMAHA PSR-E463] Lambada with default #088 Style and OTS Voice
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2018, 07:13:10 PM »
Please post somewhere the actual audio you recorded on the USB during this video. The sound you recorded through the camera's microphone was bad.
 

Offline Fantomas

Re: [YAMAHA PSR-E463] Lambada with default #088 Style and OTS Voice
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2018, 07:24:23 PM »
The beginning of the video is from the camera's microphone, but as soon as the style starts it's the USB audio playback.
Chris
Yamaha PSR-E463
 

Offline 2112

Re: [YAMAHA PSR-E463] Lambada with default #088 Style and OTS Voice
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2018, 08:10:54 PM »
The beginning of the video is from the camera's microphone, but as soon as the style starts it's the USB audio playback.
Thanks for the explanation. I re-watched the video and viewed the "stats for nerds" which shows mp4a.40.2 audio compressor with overall volume of -7.1dB. I don't know who made a choice of the compressor, you or youtube; and who did the long fade-out. But the overall sound quality wasn't good.

For the comparison I checked the same on some video posted earlier by Jeremy See "Yamaha PSR-E463 - Latin Styles [Yamaha PSR-EW410]":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7rjG_YeOxM

where the sound quality was much better. "stats for nerds" shows that it was using "opus" as a sound compressor.

On the other hand he has constant problems with Youtube blocking his videos because of copyright strikes. So it is hard to find a proper way to post sound samples on Youtube.

Anyway, back to the main subject: I have PSR-E363 and it has the same style & voices, just under different numbers. So I played them for myself locally  (without your intricate finger-work.) This at least let me hear how it was supposed to sound without compression artifacts.
 

Offline Fantomas

Re: [YAMAHA PSR-E463] Lambada with default #088 Style and OTS Voice
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2018, 08:23:40 PM »
I use Sony Vegas to mix the video, and I did the long fade out at the end with it.
The audio is : 192 Kbits/s, 48000 Hz, 16 Bit , Stéréo, AAC
I don't find that the sound is bad.
Would you please listen to my other Yamaha's videos on my YouTube channel and tell me if you have the same feeling about sound ?
Except Fort Boyard because it was recorded with camera's microphone.

Here is another videowith the same audi codec from Vinciane (member of this forum) : https://youtu.be/4BYbn80kiqo
What do you think about the sound ?
« Last Edit: November 10, 2018, 09:35:49 PM by Fantomas »
Chris
Yamaha PSR-E463
 

Offline Fantomas

Re: [YAMAHA PSR-E463] Lambada with default #088 Style and OTS Voice
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2018, 09:16:58 PM »
I've uploaded a second video with another video/audio codec : https://youtu.be/lhtBcCjdHDU
Video : Windows Media Video V11 *.wmv
Audio : 192 Kbit/s, 48000 Hz, 16 Bit, Stéréo, WMA

With Vegas I can't only change the audio codec, and I haven't found the Opus codec into Vegas.

Jeremy See is using Davinci video editor, it has more professional options for audio.
Chris
Yamaha PSR-E463
 

Offline panos

Re: [YAMAHA PSR-E463] Lambada with default #088 Style and OTS Voice
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2018, 10:57:49 PM »
I don't know how Jeremy gets that "pro" sound as many other "youtubers" but the sound is not bad.

Offline 2112

Re: [YAMAHA PSR-E463] Lambada with default #088 Style and OTS Voice
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2018, 11:10:38 PM »
The audio is : 192 Kbits/s, 48000 Hz, 16 Bit , Stéréo, AAC
Well, that is only on your computer before you uploaded it. When people are listening to this all over the world it was already trans-coded by Youtube to a variety of formats. Here's what I see in my corner of the globe:

Available formats for feaq4P-S04g:
format code  extension  resolution note
139          m4a        audio only DASH audio   49k , m4a_dash container, mp4a.40.5@ 48k (22050Hz), 764.78KiB
140          m4a        audio only DASH audio  130k , m4a_dash container, mp4a.40.2@128k (44100Hz), 1.98MiB
160          mp4        256x144    DASH video  108k , mp4_dash container, avc1.4d400b, 30fps, video only
133          mp4        426x240    DASH video  242k , mp4_dash container, avc1.4d400c, 30fps, video only
134          mp4        640x360    DASH video  638k , mp4_dash container, avc1.4d401e, 30fps, video only, 6.26MiB
135          mp4        854x480    DASH video 1155k , mp4_dash container, avc1.4d4014, 30fps, video only
136          mp4        1280x720   DASH video 2329k , mp4_dash container, avc1.4d401f, 30fps, video only, 27.16MiB
17           3gp        176x144    small , mp4v.20.3, mp4a.40.2@ 24k, 1.18MiB
36           3gp        320x180    small , mp4v.20.3, mp4a.40.2, 3.28MiB
18           mp4        640x360    medium , avc1.42001E, mp4a.40.2@ 96k, 8.63MiB
43           webm       640x360    medium , vp8.0, vorbis@128k, 11.09MiB
22           mp4        1280x720   hd720 , avc1.64001F, mp4a.40.2@192k (best)

I honestly don't know what does Youtube do at this moment to people uploads. I've heard of doing less modification if somebody signed to be "Youtube upload partner". I've also heard about "loudness equalization", both done be Youtube and various video editing software packages. I do noticed that your speech volume on the long video was very well leveled, whereas on the short Lambada video you've let your camera just pickup the background noise.

Have you actually tried to listen back to your video as a normal Youtube viewer while playing it back through the USB cable connection from your laptop to the Yamaha keyboard through the very same set of speakers that you've used while performing?

I think we could make a better comparison if you would post a short MIDI file with your performance. Then anyone could play it on their own Yamaha keyboard, possibly after changing the MIDI channel control messages, either manually or with a re-voicing program.

Otherwise we are all basically chasing ghosts, without doing a reproducible comparison.
 

Offline 2112

Re: [YAMAHA PSR-E463] Lambada with default #088 Style and OTS Voice
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2018, 11:39:04 PM »
Video : Windows Media Video V11 *.wmv
Audio : 192 Kbit/s, 48000 Hz, 16 Bit, Stéréo, WMA
Thanks for posting this. Here's what we see on our end:

Available formats for lhtBcCjdHDU:
format code  extension  resolution note
139          m4a        audio only DASH audio   50k , m4a_dash container, mp4a.40.5@ 48k (22050Hz), 690.97KiB
140          m4a        audio only DASH audio  130k , m4a_dash container, mp4a.40.2@128k (44100Hz), 1.79MiB
160          mp4        256x144    DASH video  108k , mp4_dash container, avc1.4d400b, 30fps, video only
133          mp4        426x240    DASH video  242k , mp4_dash container, avc1.4d400c, 30fps, video only
134          mp4        640x360    DASH video  635k , mp4_dash container, avc1.4d401e, 30fps, video only, 5.83MiB
135          mp4        854x480    DASH video 1155k , mp4_dash container, avc1.4d4014, 30fps, video only
136          mp4        1280x720   DASH video 2329k , mp4_dash container, avc1.4d401f, 30fps, video only, 24.21MiB
17           3gp        176x144    small , mp4v.20.3, mp4a.40.2@ 24k, 1.13MiB
36           3gp        320x180    small , mp4v.20.3, mp4a.40.2, 3.09MiB
18           mp4        640x360    medium , avc1.42001E, mp4a.40.2@ 96k, 7.48MiB
22           mp4        1280x720   hd720 , avc1.64001F, mp4a.40.2@192k (best)

So it obviously was also trans-coded by Youtube.

Jeremy See is using Davinci video editor, it has more professional options for audio.
I have no proof, but my first guess is that it doesn't matter much which particular software package that he uses. It is the choice of sample rates and codec parameters that influences it the most.

For your video you've used 48kHz sampling rate during editing, so it was forcibly re-sampled twice:
  • Yamaha outputs 44.1kHz, while your editor software wanted 48kHz
  • Youtube again limited it down to CD-quality from DVD quality
I doubt this re-sampling is the sole reason, but it may be a contributing factor.

The other issue is that Jeremy See for sure is a "Youtube upload partner" with special privileges and capabilities available during upload. I have no intention of forcing you to dox yourself, so this is just for possible consideration.

His videos are available in much wider variety of formats:

Available formats for n7rjG_YeOxM:
format code  extension  resolution note
249          webm       audio only DASH audio   68k , opus @ 50k, 11.28MiB
250          webm       audio only DASH audio   91k , opus @ 70k, 15.26MiB
140          m4a        audio only DASH audio  132k , m4a_dash container, mp4a.40.2@128k, 26.90MiB
171          webm       audio only DASH audio  139k , vorbis@128k, 23.72MiB
251          webm       audio only DASH audio  177k , opus @160k, 29.85MiB
278          webm       256x144    144p  103k , webm container, vp9, 30fps, video only, 13.39MiB
160          mp4        256x144    144p  104k , avc1.4d400c, 30fps, video only, 7.40MiB
133          mp4        426x240    240p  214k , avc1.4d4015, 30fps, video only, 14.67MiB
242          webm       426x240    240p  217k , vp9, 30fps, video only, 18.41MiB
134          mp4        640x360    360p  313k , avc1.4d401e, 30fps, video only, 22.48MiB
243          webm       640x360    360p  396k , vp9, 30fps, video only, 34.36MiB
135          mp4        854x480    480p  622k , avc1.4d401f, 30fps, video only, 46.38MiB
244          webm       854x480    480p  677k , vp9, 30fps, video only, 56.99MiB
136          mp4        1280x720   720p 1239k , avc1.4d401f, 30fps, video only, 108.61MiB
247          webm       1280x720   720p 1423k , vp9, 30fps, video only, 143.23MiB
248          webm       1920x1080  1080p 2646k , vp9, 30fps, video only, 348.44MiB
137          mp4        1920x1080  1080p 3353k , avc1.640028, 30fps, video only, 517.99MiB
271          webm       2560x1440  1440p 8800k , vp9, 30fps, video only, 1.25GiB
313          webm       3840x2160  2160p 18365k , vp9, 30fps, video only, 3.57GiB
17           3gp        176x144    small , mp4v.20.3, mp4a.40.2@ 24k, 14.69MiB
36           3gp        320x180    small , mp4v.20.3, mp4a.40.2, 44.46MiB
18           mp4        640x360    medium , avc1.42001E, mp4a.40.2@ 96k, 77.82MiB
43           webm       640x360    medium , vp8.0, vorbis@128k, 102.67MiB
22           mp4        1280x720   hd720 , avc1.64001F, mp4a.40.2@192k (best)

I'm sorry for dragging this subject away from music into the technicalities territory.
 

Re: [YAMAHA PSR-E463] Lambada with default #088 Style and OTS Voice
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2018, 02:45:01 AM »
People... Who cares about the sound? Sure, it sounded compressed but it wasn't THAT bad.

I record my video's (Because i unfortunately don't have a choice at the moment) with the microphone of my smartphone, and while it doesn't come close to a properly EQ'd line recording i haven't got people complained about it. Because you know what it is?

If you're a good player, you're a good player. If people like your playing then they aren't going to argue over the quality of the audio or the video because that will shine through anyway!

A YouTuber by the name of KMNKeyboardVault plays Boogie Woogie and Ragtime piano like no other. The videoquality is pretty good but he uses his camera microphone for audio, but seriously nobody cares, why not? Because the guy is a phenomenal player.

It should be Player first, gear second, quality third.

If KeyboardPlayer would play on a Yamaha PSR-170 through a 640x480 webcam people still wouldn't give a rats ass about that because the guy is a great musician.
A keyboard player from The Netherlands, also on YouTube as BradgeMusicTube
 
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Re: [YAMAHA PSR-E463] Lambada with default #088 Style and OTS Voice
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2018, 02:46:14 AM »
And the person playing Lambada here is a pretty competent player, but here is someone talking about the soundquality... Come on man, nobody cares.
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