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Offline bmarcill

how to have a tyros genos sound
« on: November 15, 2017, 07:23:55 AM »


   hello

   with this setting  of Christian.

    in mixing control page EQ in EDIT


           QUOTIENT      FREQUENCE      DECIBEL
  EQ1   0.8                      1.1 KHZ          6 DB
  EQ2   0.8                      1.1 KHZ          4 DB
  EQ3   0.1                      1.8KHZ           8BD
  EQ4   0.1                       2.2KHZ         11DB OR 10 DB
  EQ5   0.1                       2.2KHZ           11DB OR 10 DB

   save

   GO IN    page CMP       
   thresholh offset  +0
   Ratio offset         +1
   Gain offset          +1

   save     

   Super tyros 5

   just my opinion


   ben   
 
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Offline Seagull29

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2017, 11:11:22 AM »
Hi,
I don't understand why EQ1 and EQ2 have the same frequency and the same quotient, are you sure of that ?

Regards
Seagull29
 

Offline bmarcill

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2017, 11:36:14 AM »


 hi  Seagull29

  exactly

  eq2  0.1  1.6 khz  4db

  ben
 

Offline Seagull29

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2017, 12:02:02 PM »
Hi,
and for EQ4 & 5, is it the same frequency ?

Seagull29
 
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Offline Telmo

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2017, 03:44:31 PM »
It Sounded Great. Super Tyros-5 Rules.

Offline Seagull29

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2017, 08:58:30 PM »
Hi,
I tried your settings but the sound on my monitors ( MS 802 Electrovoice) is a little bit agressive. So, I give you my owns settings

EQ1  160Hz,      Q = 1.0   + 6 Db

EQ2   1.2 Khz    Q = 0.1    + 5 Db

EQ3   1.8 Khz    Q = 0.3    + 3 Db

EQ4    3.6 Khz   Q = 0.2    + 2 Db

EQ5    5.6 Khz   Q = 7.1    + 8 Db

Can you try these settings and say us how the general sound is ?

Thanks

Regards

PS/ I tried this setting with modified Genos' Style, Cha-Cha 1.

 Here are the 2 tests:


https://soundcloud.com/seagull-8/s-audio-004wav

https://soundcloud.com/seagull-8/s-audio-006-1wav
 
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Offline bmarcill

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2017, 07:11:07 AM »


   hello


    the settings eq are  for  the tyros5 with

     Yamaha TRS-MS05 Enceinte TYROS5  only

     Front caisson   8

    back caisson     8


     your setting are very good

    the Genos is acute  for the dance  and  Dj

     ben

     the partage is  constructive.
 
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Offline bmarcill

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2017, 07:14:37 AM »


    hi


   test wave  are very good  for me   i like 

   cool  super demo


   ben
 

Offline motekmusic

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2017, 11:05:14 AM »
 :)

Thanks so much Ben and Seagull,

I have noted and inset both of your eq setups.. One labeled Genos and the other best.
Can't believe the difference in sound from my former set ups.. it is WOW ..

Much appreciated

cheers
elaine
\\\"I have suffered for my music, now it\\\'s your turn\\\"   Neil Innes
 

Offline Rick D.

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2017, 09:15:46 PM »
Ben,
Thank you for the Super Tyros EQ settings and Comp. settings. You really did manage to imitate the crispness and punch that the Genos has on the Tyros 5.
I use two Bose Compact 1 speakers and they sound fantastic.
One word of caution for anyone that is going to try these settings.
Turn your volume to about half of what you had as a starting point.

Rick D.
 

Offline Eddy

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2018, 07:57:26 AM »
Hey Ben,
I play at home with headphone.
When I use your combination, I have almost no bas-voice !
For me it's better to put Eq1 in 80 Hz and 8 Db

Ed
 

Offline Lee Batchelor

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2018, 02:25:07 AM »
EQ settings depend on so many factors - room you're playing in, type of surfaces, speaker cross-over frequency, and speaker frequency range, to name a few. I also use two Compacts, so it's good to hear the T5 sounds better through them  ;)!

I'll give the settings a listen. Thanks!
Current Gear: Genos, SoundCraft mixer, two Bose L1 Compacts, 15 inch sub designed and built by myself, Yamaha HS8 studio monitors, Cubase 8 Artist, Steinberg UR-44.
 

Offline Lee Batchelor

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2018, 01:24:07 PM »
EQ4   0.1              2.2KHZ         11DB OR 10 DB
EQ5   0.1              2.2KHZ         11DB OR 10 DB


Bmarcill, we still don't have an explanation of these duplicate values. Is there another error or can we ignore EQ5? Thanks for the settings :)!
Also everyone note, a 10 dB increase represents twice perceived volume!

Current Gear: Genos, SoundCraft mixer, two Bose L1 Compacts, 15 inch sub designed and built by myself, Yamaha HS8 studio monitors, Cubase 8 Artist, Steinberg UR-44.
 

Offline poinsot

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2018, 09:00:55 AM »
Bonjour à toutes et tous ...je me joins à votre conversation intéressante..
J'ai le T5/76 avec une HK nano 300.. J'ai les réglages de Christian ...
Je viens de rentrer les réglages de Seagull 29  ....C'est parfait pour moi ..
Essai avec US Rock réglages à moitié partout ..Excellent
................................................. ................................................. .
Hello everyone ... I join your interesting conversation ..
I have the T5 / 76 with a HK nano 300 .. I have the settings of Christian ...
I just returned Seagull settings 29 .... It's perfect for me ..
Trial with US Rock settings half everywhere ..Excellent

Bonne journée ...Jean Pierre
 
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Offline jbd59

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2018, 09:24:16 AM »
Bonjour à toutes et tous ...je me joins à votre conversation intéressante..
J'ai le T5/76 avec une HK nano 300.. J'ai les réglages de Christian ...
Je viens de rentrer les réglages de Seagull 29  ....C'est parfait pour moi ..
Essai avec US Rock réglages à moitié partout ..Excellent
................................................. ................................................. .
Hello everyone ... I join your interesting conversation ..
I have the T5 / 76 with a HK nano 300 .. I have the settings of Christian ...
I just returned Seagull settings 29 .... It's perfect for me ..
Trial with US Rock settings half everywhere ..Excellent

Bonne journée ...Jean Pierre
Salut Poinsot , que veux tu dire par rapport a "reglages a moitié partout"?
hello Poinsot  what do you mean by " settings  at half  everywhere "?
Merci, Thanks
Bernard
 

Offline maartenb

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2018, 11:47:07 AM »
EQ4   0.1              2.2KHZ         11DB OR 10 DB
EQ5   0.1              2.2KHZ         11DB OR 10 DB


I don't have my T5 anymore, but looking at these numbers... this looks like extreme coloration of the sound.

You can have two EQs at the same frequency. The dBs add up then. So these two EQs give a whopping 20-22dB increase of a wide band around 2.2kHz. That is... a LOT.

Based on the numbers alone (and not my ears), I would expect a big volume increase in the middle frequencies, with reduced low frequencies (bass) and reduced high frequencies ("air"). Like a cheap transistor radio with a small speaker.

If this works for you, go for it. But I don't understand how this could sound good.


Maarten
« Last Edit: January 09, 2018, 11:50:07 AM by maartenb »
 

Offline bmarcill

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2018, 12:56:27 PM »

  hello

  other settings

EQ1   0.1   900HZ  3 DB
EQ2   0.1  250HZ    8 BD
EQ3   0.1   400HZ  6BD
EQ4   0.1    4.0KHZ 6 DB
EQ5   0.1    5.6khz  8 bd

cmp    +0       +0    +0          ON

 on my Tyros

8 on box front of 

behind   5  middle

good muzic

ben


 

Offline Lee Batchelor

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2018, 02:58:05 PM »
Agreed Maarten - not to mention the effect it would have on vocals being sung through the T5.

A 20 db increase is 4 times perceived volume and 10 times the sound pressure effect. If one wasn't careful, the limiters would be constantly triggered in the Bose Compacts, likely leading to a failure. To be fair, it would take some time, but I've seen soloists treat their single Compact like a Bose L2, which has 24 large tweeters and is very loud.

All the same Ben, your idea is intriguing and perhaps feasible with some lesser db settings. If you created an enhanced frequency response curve, that's a good thing. I intend to give the settings a try. Haven't had time lately due to gigs, which is also a good thing. Thanks for sharing :)!
Current Gear: Genos, SoundCraft mixer, two Bose L1 Compacts, 15 inch sub designed and built by myself, Yamaha HS8 studio monitors, Cubase 8 Artist, Steinberg UR-44.
 

Offline Lee Batchelor

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2018, 03:01:02 PM »
Bernard, he may mean that you should reduce the db numbers by 50 percent of his posted levels. Can you confirm this, Ben?
Current Gear: Genos, SoundCraft mixer, two Bose L1 Compacts, 15 inch sub designed and built by myself, Yamaha HS8 studio monitors, Cubase 8 Artist, Steinberg UR-44.
 

Offline bmarcill

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2018, 06:22:26 PM »


     hi

  settings for  TRS-MS05 Système  Tyros 5

   in front  of                 8
    behind                      5


    ben

 
 

Offline poinsot

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2018, 06:43:07 AM »
jbd59...Bonjour je voulais dire , le volume du T5  sur moitié.....la Nano pareille et ne pas dépasser le TOTAL GAIN ADJ 6.5.3.2.8.
Les basses de la Nano 300 sur volume 1/4 maxi..
Bonne journée
Jean Pierre 
jbd59 ... Hello I wanted to say, the volume of the T5 on half ..... the same Nano and not to exceed the TOTAL GAIN ADJ 6.5.3.2.8.
The bass of the Nano 300 on volume 1/4 maxi ..
Have a good day
Jean Pierre
 

Offline Henni

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2018, 09:11:37 AM »
Hi all,

Anyone knows how to apply this to the latest PSR series? It has more EQs.

Henni
...Fly Forever!
 

Offline jbd59

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2018, 09:16:56 AM »
OK merci Jean pierre , je pensais que c’était sur le T5 les réglages de moitiés , maintenant c'est plus clair  !

OK thank's Jean pierre  , i thought that was on the T5 the half settings , now i understand better !
 ;)
Bernard
 

Offline jbd59

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2018, 09:19:42 AM »
Bernard, he may mean that you should reduce the db numbers by 50 percent of his posted levels. Can you confirm this, Ben?
Thank's Ben for your answer ! Jean Pierre gave the answer  too , thank's to both of you
Bernard
 

Offline Lee Batchelor

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2018, 03:32:58 PM »
Ben, I tired your settings, and I agree with Maarten. The bass disappears and the midrange is are very loud. For those using two Bose Compacts, I suggest the following changes to the dB values:

EQ 1   1 dB (Optionally, use Ed's setting of 80 Hz at 3 dB. Caution! This may not be a good setting for those using a sub. Check the low pass setting for the sub.)
EQ 2   1 dB
EQ 3   2 dB
EQ 4   3 dB
EQ 5   0 dB

I find at these modified levels, Ben's idea is a great improvement! It makes the "incredibly long Canadian wait for a Genos" a little easier. Thanks Ben!

Current Gear: Genos, SoundCraft mixer, two Bose L1 Compacts, 15 inch sub designed and built by myself, Yamaha HS8 studio monitors, Cubase 8 Artist, Steinberg UR-44.
 

Offline Lee Batchelor

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2018, 01:52:11 AM »
I had a practice today with the new settings from Ben but with my modified values, as per my reply. I also used the sub that I designed and built. What a difference!! My vocalist couldn't believe his ears. All those who use the Bose Compact(s) - I urge you to try my settings, which are based on Ben's initial skills :).

Thanks Ben!
Current Gear: Genos, SoundCraft mixer, two Bose L1 Compacts, 15 inch sub designed and built by myself, Yamaha HS8 studio monitors, Cubase 8 Artist, Steinberg UR-44.
 

Offline yammy

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2018, 07:04:07 PM »
So,you can share us the final settings you use?
Thank you.
 

Offline Lee Batchelor

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2018, 09:04:54 PM »
Sure Yammy, here you go.

I urge all Bose Compact users to experiment with these settings. If you come up with anything better, please share your settings. I have no ego to bruise :). My settings provide a slight increase in the midrange levels. For me it makes a huge difference. The T5 seems to have more dynamic body now. She's not a Genos, but close  ;).



« Last Edit: January 15, 2018, 09:06:39 PM by Lee Batchelor »
Current Gear: Genos, SoundCraft mixer, two Bose L1 Compacts, 15 inch sub designed and built by myself, Yamaha HS8 studio monitors, Cubase 8 Artist, Steinberg UR-44.
 

Offline yammy

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2018, 04:45:18 PM »
Ok. Thank you. But where is EQ5 settings?
 

Offline Lee Batchelor

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2018, 05:24:17 PM »
I left EQ 5 out, Yammy - not needed.

All the EQ settings (1 through 5) are just "bands." You can use any or all of them depending on your needs. I've designed speakers where the room response caused a slight hole in a certain frequency. Let's say the hole resided around 4,000 Hz. I could have used EQ 1 or any other EQ band, as I please. I just makes sense to use the EQ bands in order of low to high frequencies. There are 5 available bands in the T5 EQ area. I only needed 4 to solve my problem. Some hardware EQ units have 64 bands. Half of those may not even be used, that is, left set at 0 dB.

Hope that helps :).
Current Gear: Genos, SoundCraft mixer, two Bose L1 Compacts, 15 inch sub designed and built by myself, Yamaha HS8 studio monitors, Cubase 8 Artist, Steinberg UR-44.
 

Offline yammy

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2018, 05:49:16 PM »
Thank you for you answer.
Best regres!
 

Offline poinsot

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2018, 08:20:53 AM »
Bonjour à toutes et tous ...Je reviens sur les styles du Génos ..pour tyros 5
Ce matin , j'ai regardé et essayé les styles ( convertis )de Henni .. (Merci à Henni )
http://psrtutorial.com/sty/collections/henni.html
Dans ma Yem (expansion ) j'ai chargé un pack d ' UVD ..
J'ai fait de nouveau un essai avec : style 50 rock + real drums spécial.. ( 20 )
style 60 guit rock + nashville drums ( 21 )
Un aperçu ci-joint..

Bonne journée
 

Offline poinsot

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2018, 08:23:47 AM »
Hello everyone ... I return to the styles of Genos .. for tyros 5
This morning, I looked at and tried Henni's (converted) styles .. (Thanks to Henni)
http://psrtutorial.com/sty/collections/henni.html
In my Yem (expansion) I loaded a UVD pack ..
I tried again with: style 50 rock + real drums special .. (20)
style 60 guit rock + nashville drums (21)
A preview attached.

Have a good day
 

Offline jbd59

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2018, 08:58:17 AM »
Bonjour à toutes et tous ...Je reviens sur les styles du Génos ..pour tyros 5
Ce matin , j'ai regardé et essayé les styles ( convertis )de Henni .. (Merci à Henni )
http://psrtutorial.com/sty/collections/henni.html
Dans ma Yem (expansion ) j'ai chargé un pack d ' UVD ..
J'ai fait de nouveau un essai avec : style 50 rock + real drums spécial.. ( 20 )
style 60 guit rock + nashville drums ( 21 )
Un aperçu ci-joint..

Bonne journée
Hello Jean Pierre  ,  i have noticed on the Nashville drums , that there are some cowbell shot that have nothing to do there ?  how to revoice drum mapping ?
Salut Jean pierre , j'ai remarqué dans le Nashville drums qu'il y a quelques coups de cowbell , qui n'ont pas lieu d'etre la ! comment remapper les drums ?
a bientot
Bernard
« Last Edit: January 24, 2018, 09:12:23 AM by jbd59 »
 

Offline Kari V

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2018, 03:57:08 PM »
Hello Jean Pierre  ,  i have noticed on the Nashville drums , that there are some cowbell shot that have nothing to do there ?  how to revoice drum mapping ?
Salut Jean pierre , j'ai remarqué dans le Nashville drums qu'il y a quelques coups de cowbell , qui n'ont pas lieu d'etre la ! comment remapper les drums ?
a bientot
Bernard

For drum remapping you can use for instance Jørgen Sørensen's Revo Drum Cleaner tool, see
http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/software.htm#rdc
 

Offline Kari V

Re: how to have a tyros genos sound
« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2018, 05:44:04 PM »
There's a thread entitled: "EQ settings for Genos tutorial", which might be useful in understanding
how to set up the EQ parameters, see the link below:
 
http://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,42556.0.html
« Last Edit: January 27, 2018, 06:43:08 PM by Kari V »